Minimum Wage Hike, Thoughts?

[audtatious]

If it's not a living then why not spend time while not working learning something else?

[Dattebayo]

I really don't think it's the "burger flippers" who are complaining about the wages...

You're right. Union backed OUR Walmart is getting people to strike for higher wages too. "Cindy Murray has been working at Walmart store No. 1985 in Laurel, Md., for 13 years. She’s stationed in the fitting rooms and earns $12.40 an hour." http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... ur-walmart

On a related note, here's 57 year old fry cook Darnell Summers, who told President Obama that his hours were cut due to the Affordable Care Act. “We were broken down to part time to avoid paying health insurance,” he said. Summers explained that he makes $7.25 an hour and has been on strike four times seeking a wage increase. “We can’t survive, it’s not livin’,” he said.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5rzRMCmeeE[/youtube]

What I was really getting at is that the majority of the kids who work at the Burger King aren't complaining about their wages. Also, funny story, because I know who Cindy is. lol

[Rogue One]

What I was really getting at is that the majority of the kids who work at the Burger King aren't complaining about their wages. Also, funny story, because I know who Cindy is. lol

It really is a small world. I remember when that store opened. Use to shop there and at the Sam's Club next door. Had a townhouse over in Savage, so it was really convenient.

[the converted]

Came across this article that gives a little insight into the minimum wage debate. It's definitely slanted to the keep it the same perspective, but it certainly does add some insight and puts some numbers to it that I wasn't aware of.

I'm definitely of the opinion that most minimum wage jobs with a few exceptions are places where you start, grow some skills and move on. McDonalds a decade or so ago was pretty much run by high school kids looking for gas money, and somehow evolved to people somehow thinking they could support a child on it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorf ... -is-false/

[elwesso]

I really don't think it's the "burger flippers" who are complaining about the wages. I think you would be surprised what jobs are paying minimum now!

ON another note: I see that many Americans really believe their jobs are more important than they really are. Folks are out there trudging in sh*t trying to make it in the world because they might just be a little too unintelligent and get payed MUCH less than Joe P. Shmoe over there browsing the internet basically getting d*** done all day and taking an hour lunch and coming back late and getting 75K a year for it.

Seriously, the value system for work here is effed up and I can't accept that someone ever "earned" a cushy job. DO your part, get things done and do them well enough so that you can feel pride for your day and THAT should be how you get your worth and pay scale. Too bad every employer is a greedy SOB these days and will just relegate you to a pay system related to what you do and not how you do instead.

And for those who will inevitably argue with that way of thinking or say that employers do reward those who do their job well, NOPE. Most people out there will simply get to keep their jobs for doing them well. You'll get thumped on the as$ and told "good job" and given more responsibility, no perks, no pay raise, just a gold star and another pay stub. Good freaking grief.

This is why economic recessions and low points are a critical part of the whole economic cycle, economic Darwinism if you will.. They put businesses out of their misery if they're weak, and only the strongest emerge. Things like bail-outs and whatnot only delay the inevitable, and probably make the inevitable even worse.

[Jesda]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/01/110131- ... imum-wage/

“Well, jobs are a great thing. So you have to be a bit careful: If you raise the minimum wage, you’re encouraging labor substitution, and you’re going to go buy machines and automate things — or cause jobs to appear outside of that jurisdiction. And so within certain limits, you know, it does cause job destruction. If you really start pushing it, then you’re just making a huge trade-off.”

"A lot of the problem is that [people in poverty] don't have many hours. It's not the wage."

"80% [of fast food workers] are in non-poverty households."

[Rogue One]

...If you raise the minimum wage, you’re encouraging labor substitution, and you’re going to go buy machines and automate things...

There are vending machines that peel, cut and deep fry potatos. There are vending machines that mix and kneed dough to make a fresh baked pizza. Now there's a new one out to make burritos. All that's needed is one for burgers and these minimum wage jobs are history.

[WDRacing]

Only 2.6% of Americans make min wage. So this is nothing more than your typical Democrat bs story telling that allows them to be the saviors of the impoverished. The big bad machine of capitalism is the real enemy of the peope. Income inequality is the real threat and we should demand that the successful turn over their profits. After all, it's only fair.

F U

[Dattebayo]

Only 1.6% of Americans make min wage

Lol, statistics. I really wish I could trust that number. Where did it come from BTW?

[WDRacing]

Only 1.6% of Americans make min wage

Lol, statistics. I really wish I could trust that number. Where did it come from BTW?

Sorry about the fat finger Dave, I was posting from my phone. It's actually 2.6%, which is about 3.6 million. Half of which are between the ages of 16 and 24, working those starter jobs we keep talking about.

I was reading HERE.

But the info comes directly from HERE.

[WDRacing]

What? Where are all the Dems? Only 2.6% of us actually make Min Wage! Half of those are friggin teens or very young people.

Glad this is the topic that Obamalamadingdong thinks is the right up there with the most important issues.

Anyone that doesn't have buyers remorse after the last election is a toolbag to the 10th friggin power.

[Dattebayo]

These data on minimum wage earners are derived from the Current Population Survey (CPS), a monthly nationwide survey of households.

I suspect the actual number is much higher based on the source...

I would also like to surmise that many companies will hire people for slightly more than minimum so they don't look so bad in statistics like that.

[WDRacing]

These data on minimum wage earners are derived from the Current Population Survey (CPS), a monthly nationwide survey of households.

I suspect the actual number is much higher based on the source...

I would also like to surmise that many companies will hire people for slightly more than minimum so they don't look so bad in statistics like that.

You surmise based on what? Sell crazy elsewhere homie.

The only thing you really said was, "based on accurate numbers at the time everything WD said was correct. However, I wish they weren't and I'd like to speculate that big companies want to skew the statistics in order to keep minimum wage low."

What you're failing to take into account is that we're the most prosperous free market, capitalistic society ever. Changing said capitalism ends in socialism, which has been tried and has an equal number of failures.

Just sayin...

Between the ACA and all of the other BS attempts at changing America, Liberalism is on the brink of going the way of the Dodo bird.

[Dattebayo]

You surmise based on what? Sell crazy elsewhere homie.

You should check the definition of "surmise", by the way... Also, that attitude you put out right there really sucks. We don't need to go that way here.

Besides, it's not really a total supposition, the first companies I worked for when I was making minimum did just that... Admittedly (by the companies) because they wanted to stay out of the statistics. And these were fast-food joints or similar. Besides, why is it "crazy" to assume that businesses will fudge the numbers a little bit with a minor loophole to look better?

What you're failing to take into account is that we're the most prosperous free market, capitalistic society ever.

Last I checked, we weren't really all that prosperous. I see American services being advertised everywhere, but I see alot of Asian stuff being sold at all the stores. In my job, all the parts that are American made seem to be kinda cheap, so no one uses them or buys them except Govt. clients...

[WDRacing]

You surmise based on what? Sell crazy elsewhere homie.

You should check the definition of "surmise", by the way... Also, that attitude you put out right there really sucks. We don't need to go that way here.

I apologize for being a prick, I can't help it sometimes.

Last I checked, we weren't really all that prosperous. I see American services being advertised everywhere, but I see alot of Asian stuff being sold at all the stores. In my job, all the parts that are American made seem to be kinda cheap, so no one uses them or buys them except Govt. clients...

Even in the middle of the worst collapse the since the "great depression" we're still doing better than everyone else.

Globalization and the rapid expansion of technology have removed the need for millions of factory jobs. However, how we tax trade with foreign countries is under federal control. Who runs the Fed? If you wanted to change how we handle taxing imports and or taxes on businesses that deal with importation I would fully support that reform.

But that is not on the table, nor is it talked about...ever. Instead we have an attack on capitalism as we know it.

I buy Chinese products. I buy them for my BMW, entertainment purposes and all sorts of other things, they are affordable and they work every bit as well. If they break I can return them for a brand new one. I shop at local businesses that sell Chinese products, supporting them rather than big conglomerates. If America wants to build something that is far better and isn't substantially more expensive, I might think about changing my ways. Course they'll need to dump Unions and stop paying silly wages with unreasonable benefits first. Think it can't be done? Nissan does it just fine.

The Gov is in the way of job creation. If we had jobs we wouldn't even be talking about wages. But we don't have jobs. Why is that? 6 years worth of the worst administration this country has ever seen.

[Dattebayo]

we don't have jobs. Why is that? 6 years worth of the worst administration this country has ever seen.

It goes back farther than that. And it's not all on "us" dems. Even though I'm not a dem...

[WDRacing]

Agreed. I loath Gov. I think we've gone so far away from our Constitution that the only way back is to disband the Fed Gov as we know it.

Our Gov is inept and run by criminals.

[Rogue One]

Agreed. I loath Gov. I think we've gone so far away from our Constitution that the only way back is to disband the Fed Gov as we know it.

Our Gov is inept and run by criminals.

Ooh, it's a good thing we banned Steve 'Tuna Fish' Wacko, otherwise he'd be reporting you to the FBI right now!

[WDRacing]

Meh...I've been vomiting up anti everything speech for years. The NSA watches my web activity and probably listens to my calls. All they get is lots of pron and jokes about all sorts of awful things I can't say on Nico.

Fvkem.

[audtatious]

This is why economic recessions and low points are a critical part of the whole economic cycle, economic Darwinism if you will.. They put businesses out of their misery if they're weak, and only the strongest emerge. Things like bail-outs and whatnot only delay the inevitable, and probably make the inevitable even worse.

Gee, what could go wrong when the government is picking winners and losers

[PapaSmurf2k3]

If you raise the minimum wage, you’re encouraging labor substitution, and you’re going to go buy machines and automate things

I can honestly say this absolutely true. I can't tell you how many times I've run the equation for "is it worth automating". If the labor figure increases, there's a much larger piece of the pie that will become "worth automating". If you can pay 1 engineer a few grand to develop something (say that costs 30 grand) to replace 1 job at every fast food joint in the country, you better believe it will get done. The return on investment totally justifies it.

Great post, Jesda.

[elwesso]

Meh...I've been vomiting up anti everything speech for years. The NSA watches my web activity and probably listens to my calls. All they get is lots of pron and jokes about all sorts of awful things I can't say on Nico.

Fvkem.

My guess is that by the NSA monitoring your internet usage you've successfully scarred them for life and now you're off the radar, LOL! Fight fire with fire.

[Dattebayo]

the President hopes to raise it to $9 an hour, Costco would let it go even greater, to $10.10 an hour.

Assuming the link is truthful, there's some of my proof right there.

[Jesda]

In break with most merchants, Costco's CEO says he supports President Obama's call to increase the minimum wage. But while the President hopes to raise it to $9 an hour, Costco would let it go even greater, to $10.10 an hour.

Costco is a retailer of premium goods. Its customers are willing to pay more for high-end food and merchandise and Costco's employees are paid accordingly. If you've ever shopped at Costco, it isn't necessarily cheaper than WM and Target but it does cost less for higher-end goods sold elsewhere.


Raising the minimum wage would increase Costco's competitive advantage against large discounters, thus their support for a minimum wage increase. It isn't out of the good of their hearts.

[audtatious]

Raising the minimum wage would increase Costco's competitive advantage against large discounters, thus their support for a minimum wage increase. It isn't out of the good of their hearts.

Of course. Same with Obamacare being supported by groups like AARP who stand to make billions. Industries lobby for this s*** due to expected profits from it. Screw the people forced into it, not their concern.