Minimum Wage Hike, Thoughts?

[WDRacing]

Let me tell you a little story...

I was eating at Burger King the other night with my family, my Whopper came out with no lettuce, so did my wifes chicken sammich. So I brought them back up to the counter and asked for some lettuce? Got some new sammiches, went back to the table to eat and discovered one chunk of yellow lettuce on my Whopper. You know, the heart of the lettuce that you don't ever eat. So at this point, I'm just aggravated. When you bring food back because it's prepared wrong, you'd figure the "fixed" sandwich would be a better product right? Not so much.

So I brought it back up to the counter, talked to the manager who had rings stuck in her face, and explained that I'd like a Whopper prepared correctly. I showed her the lettuce, no green at all mind you, just a single hunk of yellow lettuce heart, and explained that you don't serve this to people. I mean, the top roll wouldn't even "seat" properly on the burger because of the hunk of crap lettuce. She just glared at me, like I had some nerve to keep bothering them.

We were the only people in the whole FVKING place! They were all busy having a conversation about something that involved some sort of drama with another employee. I was interfering with said convo.

So I waited right there at the counter for my 3rd Whopper. When I was handed it, there was no sorry, no anything. She just put it on a tray and dropped it on the counter in front of me. At which point I grabbed the Whopper, walked over the trash can beside the counter and threw that f*** away. No way I'm eating something after being sent back 2 times. I worked in the fast food industry in HS, I'm not stupid.

My point here is, some people just don't warrant being paid 10 bucks an hr. If you want to make more money, better yourself and earn it. Otherwise, stfu and get back in your parents basement.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Agreed.

Granted, there's always exceptions to the rule. I'm sure some of these people wanting $15/hr really do try hard and do good work, but most don't.
You'd think at that point they'd just be promoted to a manger position or something and they would start making the cash they want.

When I was a dishwasher at the age of 14ish, I had no illusions of grandeur about making big money in that industry. That job was to serve 2 purposes- make some pocket cash, and establish a referral for my next job (which was to make more pocket cash, and a referral for my next job, which was to pay for college and establish another referral for a career).

[WDRacing]

I washed dishes at Boston Market when I got my license. No work, no gas money. But like you said, it's not one of those jobs that you look fwd to keeping, nor have any aspirations of being successful in life by being good at it.

Most of the people I know that have good jobs got there by busting a** and making sacrifices along the way. My wife went to school full time, while on active duty...oh and she was a Mom too. She now has a good job with a solid company, more certifications than I can list and a double masters.

She started at McDonald's at 14...she walked to and from.

[95_240]

Cost of living increase, fewer jobs because employers budgeting their payrolls, and less incentive for higher education. It's all about making the unskilled minimum wage employee happy and not considering the negative impact it will have on everyone. So when their pay increases does that mean the manager that makes $15/hr. gets a pay increase? Or does their pay remain the same? Or does the owner reduce their workforce? Or does the price of the product increase and pass on to the consumer? Everyone that puts in the hard work to get a higher education or train to become a skilled laborer are paying for, in my opinion, a majority of high school students to get raises. I've worked at these places when I was younger and I don't believe these jobs require a higher pay. However, there may be certain jobs where employers may be using minimum wage to pay less than the industry's norm. But if you don't like it find a new job. Nobody is forcing them to take a low paying job and they know what the pay is when they take the job.


Can't wait for McDonald's to start using automation for food service so we don't have to hear this whining. It's already happening with self service checkouts at many stores.

[Rogue One]

Lots of thoughts come to mind. But nothing will change the performance/attitude of slackers and fooktards. Suffice it to say, throwing good money after bad has never solved anything.

Sure, pay them $15hr. Then watch the Dollar Value Menu increase to the Five Dollar Value Menu. Along with price hikes on everything else. Then you're back to square one.

I remember when McDonald's tv ads said you could feed a family of four for $5 and get change back. Yes, I'm that old.

[WDRacing]

Ya know what phrase I hate, "living wage". I love all of the protesters declaring loudly and obnoxiously that they're owed a living wage. Well wtf is a living wage? If you don't make enough money to achieve a higher standard of living, since when is it up to employers to just fork over more money?

Here's an idea, don't get your GF pregnant when you're in high school, or guess what...you're life is probably going to suck.

Why should an employer give a crap about your welfare when you don't do anything yourself to elevate your own status? If you're bagging groceries, washing dishes or doing some other sort of menial labor, guess what, you're life is going to suck. These jobs are designed for you to live on. They're supposed to be starter jobs.

Want more jobs? Tell the GOV TO GET THE f*** OUT OF THE WAY.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I sort of feel like a job-agnostic minimum wage is destructive. As others have noted here, the minimum wage establishes a relative standard that scales up. The challenge is maintaining a scale that feels "fair" to everyone involved. But that's not possible when one minimum wage job's responsibilities are not comparable to another's. As an employer, the challenge becomes attracting and RETAINING employees and you end up competing not just internally, but externally (if an easier job pays the same or more you're going to lose people to it unless you have something more than money to offer your employees).

As to the question of "wouldn't they get promoted if they're worth more?" Well...not everyone can be a managers. Too many chiefs and not enough indians, as they say. There are only so many openings for advancement regardless of the company, job, market, etc. You need to make sure your "floor level" people feel appreciated, too. Because, after all, they're the ones keeping management in business in the first place.

So, the real answer is this:
1: Employers themselves need to pay what they feel their employees are worth. Legal minimum wage has NO BEARING on that.
2: Employers need to offer their employees something more than a paycheck. This comes back to what's already been said here about building experience and a resume.

When my employees leave for whatever else they're moving onto (and I have no delusions there: most of them have no interest in a long-term career with my company) I have the satisfaction of having helped them become more marketable. I've helped them build skills that will help them for the rest of their lives if they're lucky, and for the next job or two at the very least. I've helped them learn to be constructive contributors to a team, while building self-confidence and knowing when to trust themselves (two potentially contradictory skillsets that, when used in support of each-other, are indispensable regardless of job or responsibilities).

That's the problem with fast food, or superstores, or anything else along those lines. They don't view their employees as investments. They don't offer them anything more than a paycheck. And when they leave, they're easily replacable. Nobody misses them and nobody worries about where they're going from here.

Minimum wage, "first job" employers need to realize that they're helping establish the standards, work ethic, and expectations of an entire generation of future career-seeking people. They need to employ PEOPLE, and they need to invest in those people REGARDLESS of whether they're going to stay at that company or not. Either way, it all comes back home, all comes back to the same balance, just like Rogue One said.

So, no, it's not pay that's the problem. It's lack of perspective.

[hannibal]

Because minimum wage jobs require very little skill, employees are easily replaceable. Since nearly anyone with the ability to walk upright can perform the job, minimum wage laws establish a pay floor. Without it, every low skill position would pay far less. Burger King would have no incentive to pay its workers $5 an hour when everyone else is paying $4. In higher skill position, economic principles say if Google paid $50k a year and other tech companies paid $45k, all the talented engineers and programmers would flock to Google. Other companies would have to offer more or they would lose all their employees (or at least the best performing employees). This pursuit of employees with the most desirable skills raises the equilibrium or prevailing wage for not just the best tech workers, but all who work in the industry.

With no opportunity to display "more desirable" skills in a low skill job, minimum wage positions do not provide an incentive for employers to bid up the wages of their employees. In fact, the opposite incentive exists when there are numerous people with the same (low) level of job skills. Minimum wage laws seek to mitigate this market disability (I don't like the term market failure) by setting a pay floor. This benefits not only the lowest skilled worker, but also their managers (as someone mentioned above). So how does this affect the rest of the economy and higher skilled workers?

If you havent seen the McResources phone call, check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olUsgn-Ubh0 This shows the cost to society of low wages. If an employee can't afford food and healthcare, McDonalds suggests relying on food stamps and Medicaid. Wait what? They don't pay their employees enough to eat, so we (as taxpayers) should supplement their income? What would happen if they did pay their employees more? McDonalds profits would obviously decline, which has some cost to the economy, but mostly to McDonalds shareholders. But the benefit to society is that I don't have to pay for her healthcare and meals. All of those people who dislike the increase in spending on public assistance during the Great Recession should love that. All the fans of smaller government should be able to get on board.

Instead of the government giving subsidies to McDonald shareholders (since theyre the ones who benefit from lower wages), why not require companies to pay their employees a wage that reflects the cost of living? Everybody wins! Taxpayers spend less on public assistance. The employee gets a higher wage, which he puts right back into the economy. And the McDonalds stockholder may even benefit when customers now have more money to spend.

I also support local minimum wage increases by states and municipalities with high costs of living. While DC's minimum wage is $8.25, the surrounding areas in MD and VA still pay $7.25. Three of the nation's wealthiest (=most expensive) counties are in the MD and VA suburbs, yet they have the same minimum wage as Tulsa, OK. That doesn't make any sense.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Some people just suck at spending their money. They'd rather have an Iphone, new-ish car, and big tv immediately after getting their check and can't see 3 days into the future when they need to buy groceries, so they get themselves food stamps.

Meanwhile I'm over here with a flip phone and my newest electronics are 4+ years old. Your lifestyle decisions and living situation should reflect your pay, not the other way around.

[audtatious]

"some say" that increasing the min wage to $15 would only increase the cost of a Big Mac by .68 cents (some abc news story). Thus, those that state simply increasing minimum wage by "x" will increase cost of product accordingly are incorrect. Research has shown that the result is more money moving through the economy, thus, more volume which keeps the cost lower. why? those making minimum wage are living paycheck to paycheck and will spend it all accordingly. Kinda like the Bush incentives that were to stimulate the economy. Thoughts?

Brian, you will be satisfied to know that the nose-pierced millennial will always be on the bottom rung of the economic scale...will be bitter and jealous of what others have that she refuses to work for.

[audtatious]

On another note, Obama changing the Fed min wage to 10.xx WILL cause problems. Say there are 5000 janitors that get minimum wage and they are immediately increased to the higher rate. Since budgets won't increase the result will be 4000-ish janitors with 1000-ish looking for a new job. Not quite the results he probably considered unless he plans to put in more mandates to protect their jobs, which would not surprise me either.

[95_240]

I think raising minimum wage would have the opposite effect on government programs. When employers start cutting back hours or reducing their workforce then unemployment, food stamps, and medicaid claims will increase. Instead of creating jobs this could reduce the number of jobs that already exist. When you think about it this affects many companies a lot smaller than McDonald's. This proposal would only be good to minimum wage workers short-term and get them back to square-one long-term.

[Rogue One]

...Thus, those that state simply increasing minimum wage by "x" will increase cost of product accordingly are incorrect. Research has shown that the result is more money moving through the economy, thus, more volume which keeps the cost lower... Thoughts?

Say what? Gotta call B.S. on that first sentence. Increasing minimum wage to almost double it's current rate will result in increased prices. The additional pay doesn't come out of thin air.

Will the company owner(s) take a pay cut to cover the increased operating expense? No.
Will the stockholders take a smaller cut to cover the increased operating expense? No.
Will upper management take a pay cut to cover the increased operating expense? Not voluntarily.

Will management cut some of the minimum wage employees to cover the increased operating expense? If necessary, Yes.
Will prices increase to cover the increased operating expense? Yes.

If you increase the cost of operating a business, the primary way of covering those costs is increased prices. That's Economics 101.

Will this new found wealth make life easier for those living from paycheck to paycheck earning minimum wage? For a few, yes. But I know lots of folks making two to three times the current minimum wage that are living paycheck to paycheck. Additionally, when prices rise to cover the cost of the higher minimum wage, you're essentially back at square one.

[95_240]

The .68 cent increase was done by an undergraduate student from the University of Kansas. His study was flawed and it was determined that it would be closer to $1.28 increase. Even if the companies still have a large profit they will still use the minimum wage increase as an excuse to increase their prices.

[Rogue One]

The .68 cent increase was done by an undergraduate student from the University of Kansas. His study was flawed and it was determined that it would be closer to $1.28 increase. Even if the companies still have a large profit they will still use the minimum wage increase as an excuse to increase their prices.

Let's be clear, that's on a hamburger sammich. What's the rate increase for other goods and services? Funny how they don't tell you that. For that matter how many people walk into a McD's and buy JUST a Big Mac? Say the increase is a more realistic 25%, and you want a KFC 12 piece meal. Instead of the current $23.99 it jumps to $29.99.

Ryan Chittum of the Columbia Journalism Review crunched the numbers and found that the price rise of 68 cents per Big Mac, or 17 percent overall, is only true for company-operated restaurants. Including franchises, which make up 80 percent of McDonalds restaurants, puts the increase at 25 percent. This post has also been updated to reflect that the study was not issued by the University of Kansas. The University of Kansas has clarified that Morelix, an undergraduate at the school, did not vet his research with the university. The report is not part of KU’s academic studies.

This doesn't just affect the burger flippers. What about retail sales clerks? What about hotel staff? And as stated before, if the manager is making $15 and you jump the salary on the staff they supervise up to that amount, how much do you increase the managers salary? I'm willing to bet that wasn't factored in.

[95_240]

Yep. Just proves the point that you can't believe any "studies" conducted without a reputable source.

[audtatious]

...Thus, those that state simply increasing minimum wage by "x" will increase cost of product accordingly are incorrect. Research has shown that the result is more money moving through the economy, thus, more volume which keeps the cost lower... Thoughts?

Say what? Gotta call B.S. on that first sentence. Increasing minimum wage to almost double it's current rate will result in increased prices. The additional pay doesn't come out of thin air.

I never said it would not increase prices and I did say "some say".

Will the company owner(s) take a pay cut to cover the increased operating expense? No.
Will the stockholders take a smaller cut to cover the increased operating expense? No.
Will upper management take a pay cut to cover the increased operating expense? Not voluntarily.

Will management cut some of the minimum wage employees to cover the increased operating expense? If necessary, Yes.
Will prices increase to cover the increased operating expense? Yes.

If you increase the cost of operating a business, the primary way of covering those costs is increased prices. That's Economics 101.

Will this new found wealth make life easier for those living from paycheck to paycheck earning minimum wage? For a few, yes. But I know lots of folks making two to three times the current minimum wage that are living paycheck to paycheck. Additionally, when prices rise to cover the cost of the higher minimum wage, you're essentially back at square one.

I never claimed anything

It's funny but when I have conversations with those who support large-scale increases of minimum wage or setting up a living wage they really don't care about dissenting views. They have a couple of valid points they stick to and nothing else matters. It's all about fairness and "feelings" of equality. They get stuck on figures like WalMark making 446 billion last year while not caring that the profit margin itself was only 3-3.5%. Press them on the subject of whether there is a limit they would put on how much a large corporation can make and they sidestep, deflect or simply ignore the question. On another forum I actually pissed of a couple of people when I started questioning what should be covered via a living wage.....they deflected and simply called every point invalid but theirs.

[WDRacing]

I hate when they use Walmart as an example. Not every business has shareholders or stock options. What about all of the smallish Mom and Pop joints that sell everything from pizza to coffee? Those people are already barely paying their bills, now you're increasing their employee's pay by 40%. How do you think they'll be able to cover that cost?

Life is about choices and personal accountability. The answer is creating more jobs, not simply forcing employers to pay people more money.

How's that pipeline coming Obama? Over regulation, denial of work/building permits and the utterly non existent effort to actually cut through red tape for businesses are all I see coming from this garbage administration.

Anyone that thinks forcing another expense on small business in the middle of very slow recovery is a good idea just isn't business savvy. How about figure out ways to reduce the cost of doing business across the board FIRST before you enforce even more expenses. Any increase in minimum wage should be offset by the same percentage in reduced taxes.

All you get from Democrats and this Admin is more taxes and more expenses on business.

[Rogue One]

My apologies Audtatious. I knew we were on the same wavelength, I guess I was just out of phase.

I remember hearing one of the talking heads on FOX News say that minimum wage workers account for 4.7 percent of hourly paid workers. Essentially only 5% of Americans make less than $10 per hour. The minimum wage increase would bring their income up to just under $30K. But that's only part of the story. According to an analysis released by the Social Security Administration last November, 32.2% of Americans make just under $15K (minimum wage). Additionally, 53.2% of Americans make just under $30K, the proposed new minimum wage. Unless I've missed it, no one has mentioned that the massive pay increase would benefit any worker making less than $30K. Hmmm. Wonder how this affects the price of a burger?

[RicerX]

Typically social and economical issues such as this one come about from a large amount of people voicing the issue, and that fact brings me to the one sentiment I have regarding increasing minimum wage:

I fear for the future of a society that is largely fixated on striving for a comfortable and "livable" minimum.

[frapjap]

Typically social and economical issues such as this one come about from a large amount of people voicing the issue, and that fact brings me to the one sentiment I have regarding increasing minimum wage:

I fear for the future of a society that is largely fixated on striving for a comfortable and "livable" minimum.

This.
A minimum wage is exactly that- you live with the minimum of necessities while that is what you earn. It should make you feel small, and should make you strive and vow to get paid more by working harder and earning more money.

Things that are not included in minimum wage:
- a smart phone. You don't get this luxury item because that $300-400 piece of equipment in your pocket is equivalent to two months grocery bills.
- a smart phone plan. a $50-100/month plan isn't acceptable in your budget. Get a land line.
- a big plasma/lcd/3d/whatever tv. Sorry, you don't get this either. See above.
- anything beyond basic cable. I don't make minimum wage AND I don't have cable. Its a waste of money. Take $100 of the money you saved by not buying a smartphone and the plan associated with it and get an HD antenna to watch on your hand me down tv.
- a new car. Ride the bus or get a cheap, dependable used car like a 1992 Corolla.
- STOP HAVING KIDS
- cook all meals at home/brown bag it. No eating out. If you can't afford to tip the server who is working for an hourly wage less than minimum wage, you don't belong in the restaurant.
- in style shoes/clothes/hats/jerseys/video games. Go to a thrift store, get all a weeks worth of outfits for the price of one of those previously mentioned articles.
- STOP SMOKING/DRINKING/DOING DRUGS OF ANY KIND. That s*** expensive. Cut it out. Pay your damn rent.

The minimum wage is literally, a livable wage. It can be done. Folks do it every day. Some are too proud to even take the assistance while others whore it out to dry.

Anyone remember this game? Granted, there are other solutions available that they haven't thought of, but still possible.

http://playspent.org/

[WDRacing]

But Ray Ray, that's just not fair.

[elwesso]

I think what's really disturbing is that it's easier to have a child than it is to get a gun! Instead of eliminating expense, people are creating more, LOL!

Anyway, in my neck of the woods, there are all kinds of factory type jobs that are willing to pay $10-$15/hr WITH benefits, and most only require a high school degree. The problem is finding people that are willing to work hard and work full time (or overtime if required), and are reliable. It's not impossible for someone with little education to find a decent paying job, but that in itself takes work... Now we have a paradox. It takes WORK to find a decent paying job, and as it turns out that job itself takes work.

I don't really like many of things that comrade Obama said during the SOTU, however one statement I agree with is where he encouraged businesses to give their employees raises wherever they could. I agree that many "middle class" people haven't been given proper raises, and companies would blame the lack of raises on the poor economy even though they were still making money due to operating much "leaner". However, it's not the Kremlin's job to determine what that should be.

[audtatious]

I hate when they use Walmart as an example.

It's any large corporation where profits are billions upon billions. Look at how the oil industry was continually attacked during the Bush years for their profits. Didn't matter their margins were less than 6% they were evil oil companies pissing on the little guy. I also find it comical that Apple, who has a 22% quarterly profit margin, is rarely attacked by these same people.

[audtatious]

My apologies Audtatious. I knew we were on the same wavelength, I guess I was just out of phase.

No issues, I knew you would have a facepalm moment

I remember hearing one of the talking heads on FOX News say that minimum wage workers account for 4.7 percent of hourly paid workers. Essentially only 5% of Americans make less than $10 per hour. The minimum wage increase would bring their income up to just under $30K. But that's only part of the story. According to an analysis released by the Social Security Administration last November, 32.2% of Americans make just under $15K (minimum wage). Additionally, 53.2% of Americans make just under $30K, the proposed new minimum wage. Unless I've missed it, no one has mentioned that the massive pay increase would benefit any worker making less than $30K. Hmmm. Wonder how this affects the price of a burger?

It will somewhat, but not truly linear. People are accepting minimalistic living via handouts today and a greater rate and it's sickening. Why work hard anymore?

[nissangirl74]

I don't think they should raise the minimum wage. If you do, those that are making that wage won't strive to do anything more with their life. Also, just because you give people more money doesn't mean they are going to make better decisions with that money. Do you really think that anyone who is living off of minimum wage is going to put any of that extra money in a savings account? Or invest it in an IRA? Or go buy Obamacare with it? Come on people, look at your demographic!! I'm saying this from the viewpoint of someone who has been there and done that. I worked fast food for 13 years and never made more than minimum wage at that job. You know why? Because the work I did wasn't worth more than minimum wage!! The first 3 years of that 13 was full-time (which NEVER translated into 40 hours / week BTW). I didn't have a savings account, are you kidding? I was bringing home <$300 / every two weeks. I had no insurance. My daughter's insurance was covered by the state. I had food stamps. IT SUCKED. So, you know what I did? I went out and found a new job that offered benefits. It didn't pay more money but at least I was able to pay for my own insurance. I also kept my fast food job so I could try to get ahead. Then, I found a better job that offered benefits PLUS a little bit more pay, along with much better working conditions. Guess what? I still kept my fast food job. I did that from May of 1995 until February of 2009 (I finally had to leave due to family issues).

Minimum wage is definitely not enough to live on.That's OK, because that's not the intent of minimum wage jobs in the first place. That's where you go to learn some real life workplace skills so you can move on, move up the ladder, and make room for the next 16 year old who's looking for their first crack at being in the workforce. The business you are working for is under no obligation whatsoever to help you maintain the lifestyle you think you deserve. If you want more out of life, go get it. Don't hold your f*** hand out and scream expecting someone to give it to you.

[ADDirishboy]

Here's my issue with it. Burger flippers are bitching about not getting paid enough. Let's compare that to my career. I'm a firefighter, just got hired on full time in Yuma, AZ. I'm highly trained, paid good money for the schooling, and worked my god damn a** off. Wanna know how much I'm making an hour? Less than the kid who just started at In N' Out this morning. Who has zero experience in anything. Zero skills. Zero training in anything except being a pampered little d!ck of a teenager.

Wanna know who should be bitching about low wages? Me. Wanna know who's not bitching about low wages? Me. I actually realize that this is a stepping stone. A foot in the door into a career that is insanely difficult to get hired into right now. Wanna know how many people applied for Phoenix last year? 3000. Only 7 were hired.

So to anyone whining about not getting paid enough, go jump off a bridge.

[Dattebayo]

I really don't think it's the "burger flippers" who are complaining about the wages. I think you would be surprised what jobs are paying minimum now!

ON another note: I see that many Americans really believe their jobs are more important than they really are. Folks are out there trudging in sh*t trying to make it in the world because they might just be a little too unintelligent and get payed MUCH less than Joe P. Shmoe over there browsing the internet basically getting d*** done all day and taking an hour lunch and coming back late and getting 75K a year for it.

Seriously, the value system for work here is effed up and I can't accept that someone ever "earned" a cushy job. DO your part, get things done and do them well enough so that you can feel pride for your day and THAT should be how you get your worth and pay scale. Too bad every employer is a greedy SOB these days and will just relegate you to a pay system related to what you do and not how you do instead.

And for those who will inevitably argue with that way of thinking or say that employers do reward those who do their job well, NOPE. Most people out there will simply get to keep their jobs for doing them well. You'll get thumped on the as$ and told "good job" and given more responsibility, no perks, no pay raise, just a gold star and another pay stub. Good freaking grief.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

over there browsing the internet basically getting d*** done all day and taking an hour lunch and coming back late and getting 75K a year for it.

I work with people like that and it absolutely burns me up. That was 1 damn good thing that came out of this last recession: the company I used to work for cut out a lot of the fat and kept the muscle, leaving a bunch of badass Ninja Engineers that cut through the red tape and got s*** done.

[Rogue One]

I really don't think it's the "burger flippers" who are complaining about the wages...

You're right. Union backed OUR Walmart is getting people to strike for higher wages too. "Cindy Murray has been working at Walmart store No. 1985 in Laurel, Md., for 13 years. She’s stationed in the fitting rooms and earns $12.40 an hour." http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... ur-walmart

On a related note, here's 57 year old fry cook Darnell Summers, who told President Obama that his hours were cut due to the Affordable Care Act. “We were broken down to part time to avoid paying health insurance,” he said. Summers explained that he makes $7.25 an hour and has been on strike four times seeking a wage increase. “We can’t survive, it’s not livin’,” he said.

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