Megan Street coilovers VS. Stance GR+, what you guys think?

[blackieblack]

wow. i know two guys that had tein basics and the same thing happened to them. thats just mostly due to harsh road conditions. it doesnt matter where they come from. it just sucks that you have to learn the hard way that you need to spend alot to buy good coilovers. i think a spring/strut combo be used if your just for street. i didnt buy the k sports for street. when i ordered them i called k sport and asked them what they would be more ideal for and they said that they wouldnt be ideal for street use. they werent dialed in for that purpose. if you wanna lower ride get lowering springs. cant expect coilovers designed for track use to perform well on the street. the beefier k sports are impressive and they are being used in a few pro venues.

[yokota180sx]

attn everyone

ignore that post^

[AceInhole]

Stance/D2/Megan/Ksport all seem to share the same valving characteristics. Ultimately, the linear damping curves they all exhibit lead to dampers that handle worse than some bolt-on replacement shocks.

Buy whichever ones have colors you like.

[blackieblack]

attn everyone

ignore that post^

ahhh yes here we go. i love the very strongly opinionated ones. "hey those coilovers suck cause if you go over a bump at 60mph" i dont even know what you were trying to say cause you didnt really clarify. moreover to say that if i go over a bump over 60mph and that something will happen is so vague. the only thing that will happen is that i will go over the bump. i have them. i have gone over 60 mph on them. i am sure i have gone over bumps at 60 mph and over 60mph even. i dont keep an eye out for bumps in the road but i have gone over bumps with them. i think the only bumps that would yield bad results if i went over them would be speed bumps. and yes they are stiff even on the softest settings. i didnt buy them cause i wanted to feel like i was riding a cloud. i bought them to auto x and drift this summer. they did fine with other adjustable suspension parts. and besides there isnt one ultimate coilovers out there. i think all coilover manufacturers have had there problems. even stance. and i still think they rock.

[yokota180sx]

oklet me shed some light on the subjectthis summer alone, i have ownedKsportJICCuscoCSTTeinand HKS

i can tell you overwhelmingly that K sport is not designed for street/strip/drift/wahterits designed to take advantage of people through crappy advertising and newbs not knowing **** about suspension and the way a shock should work.

and Ace...if you have ridden in a car with all the ones listed above, all of them handle differently, on the same dampning. there are a few of the s13s over here on base that are running the **** you listed above, and they are all almost distinguishable if you drive them one after the other.

so Blackie...until you have actually USED all the **** your talking about, please dont comment

Ksport is the WORST coilover ive ever owned...and thats saying alotid rather drift on blown Tein HEs than use ksport again

fronts however on the ksport arent TOOOOO badbut the rears are just outta whack on the dampning. it bounces too much at all the wrong times

[blackieblack]

maybe if you stopped typing what seems to be attempts at smart a$$ remarks it would sound a little better collected. first off the fact that you have actually had to go throught that many coilovers either proves you dont know what your talking about or that your BSing. k sports are being used in gtlive and d1gp this season. also speaking from experience ive gone through silkroads and stance basics. and have driven friends cars with all of your above mentioned coilovers. and have discussed their differences with them aswell. let me re-iterate that i have the basic k sports, ive used them for auto x last summer and auto x and drifting this summer and they did very well WITH OTHER ADJUSTABLE SUSPENSION PARTS. it should go without saying that when you upgrade to coilovers that you should upgrade the rest of your suspension as weel in order for your coilovers to perform to theri fullest. and on another note there are cars in the d1gp that use just spring and strut combos and perform well. however they are ae86's. and not s chassis cars atleast that i know of.

[yokota180sx]

Oh ****i forgot i had silkroad too

the reason i go through so many coilovers is becuase i had 3 differnet cars this year

180stageacedric

180 had cusco when i bought it, i wasnt happy with the ride, so i swapped for JIC

when i bought the stageait had silkroadthey were great, but didnt go all that lowso i got tein hated them, valving was hella soft and it rolled like i ***** in turnsso i got Ksports as an experiment...worst idea ever

then o go to the cedrichad JIC when i got it, wanted to swap to s13 front arms and stuff, so i bought CST

I dont think you quite understand my experience level. i drift, i grip, ive placed 2nd in my class at Nikko circuit for drifting.

im not some random kid that says this is better than that

all my cars have full multilinks excapt LCA(wel lmy cedric doesnt, but thats only cuase im deciding if i want to get dmax again or go uras)

so please. i dont care if they used KYB/AGX in d1...if i dont like it, ill let people know becuase i do more touge, track, and other random hard driving than alot of people are exposed to

[adrianfromthecastle]

I went for a "spirited" drive in my buddy's car with Kbee coilovers... and I must say, I am really impressed!

[yokota180sx]

yeha, they are slowly gaining ground here in japan. i like em, they are similar in feel to CST

[adrianfromthecastle]

yeah, theyre very smooth, especially around road imperfections...

as opposed to megans... imo, it gets quite bumpy in the rears a bit, and when it bumps, it sounds like the rears almost jump or something

[blackieblack]

just chill. you may feel the need for other people to consult you in all matters coilovers but i wont. and as much as you want others to do so, some wont either. experience level? ok guys. EVERYONE ON NICO! hey listen up. yokota knows everything there is to know about coilovers. hes gone through every set of coilovrs ever made in just the short time span of summer. i even reminded him about silk roads. which he also has used. but forgot to mention. and hes the only person to do grip and drift and everything else motorsports. thats pretty amazing. probably never been done before by anyone else. look im just gonna stop cause you obviously have a superiority complex. and your obviously full of it. im sick of guys like you on nico. you use these forums as venues to post your bs in hopes of getting attention from people who dont know any better. get off it dude.

[yokota180sx]

not really, ive been doing motorsports since i was 17, autocross, drift, grip on tracks, and recently touge over here.also did drag

the people that matter (obviously not you) know my accomplishments, and what ive built

you can preach al you want, but the fact is, i know more than you

so either deal with it, or move the **** on you newb.

[White Comet]

just chill. you may feel the need for other people to consult you in all matters coilovers but i wont. and as much as you want others to do so, some wont either. experience level? ok guys. EVERYONE ON NICO! hey listen up. yokota knows everything there is to know about coilovers. hes gone through every set of coilovrs ever made in just the short time span of summer. i even reminded him about silk roads. which he also has used. but forgot to mention. and hes the only person to do grip and drift and everything else motorsports. thats pretty amazing. probably never been done before by anyone else. look im just gonna stop cause you obviously have a superiority complex. and your obviously full of it. im sick of guys like you on nico. you use these forums as venues to post your bs in hopes of getting attention from people who dont know any better. get off it dude.

dude, when a thread says "what do u guys think?" in the title, expect to here opinions cuz thats whats being asked for. sure megans are fine for some ppl, but all yokota did was give his experience and what he's used various coilovers for. if u never track a car like he does then u wont notice the differnce w/ crappier ones. ur no better than he is if ur giving ur opinion cuz thats all hes doing

[AceInhole]

oklet me shed some light on the subjectthis summer alone, i have ownedKsportJICCuscoCSTTeinand HKS

and Ace...if you have ridden in a car with all the ones listed above, all of them handle differently, on the same dampning. there are a few of the s13s over here on base that are running the **** you listed above, and they are all almost distinguishable if you drive them one after the other.

All of the above, except CST. "Almost distinguishable" hardly objectifies a difference though. Given differences from car to car (perhaps something as small as bushing resistance) it's not as though you can go from one car to another and pinpoint differences in ride quality to just damping. Age and use will also play a role (as you specified that some of the dampers you listed were well used when you experienced them). I thought I heard it all when I heard someone swear Megans are better than JIC FLT-A2's.

Another thing to take into consideration is quality control within each brand. Even quality dampers will have different valving off the assembly line, simply due to tolerancing. The majority of dampers you listed have no claim to being balanced or adjusted using an objectified method. I wouldn't be surprised if your (unpleasant) experience with KSports is simply due to getting a "bad batch".

Beyond that, there were noticeable differences between D2/Megan/Stance/Ksport/PoweredByMax (I only said the valve characteristics were similar). From D2 to Stance, there was simply more adjustment, while the lower curves on the Stance dampers fell almost exactly onto the D2s. However, neither looked very inspiring, and more adjustment range does not indicate a different design, but rather a change in the adjuster stop, or a change in N2 pressure. Even while experimenting with N2 pressure on the D2's, the "butt dyno" test experienced a HUGE difference. In the end they'll still get blown away in performance by off-the-shelf quality bolt-on shocks/struts.

To everone else: In the end, don't trust me, yokota, some kid on a forum, or some other guy's "butt dyno". If shock dyno plots aren't good enough for you, find out what people that consistently win use (beware: damper philosophy is far different for drifting). I seriously can't wait for the Koni vs Bilstein vs Everything Else testing, when Tim at TIP finishes his Bilstein setup.

[yokota180sx]

yeah, my next track car will have ohlins vlaved for what i want, and the performance i want.

its gonna cost a grip, but it will be worth it.

I do like the JIC and CST the most however.

[AceInhole]

yeah, my next track car will have ohlins vlaved for what i want, and the performance i want.

its gonna cost a grip, but it will be worth it.

I do like the JIC and CST the most however.

Ohlins/Penske/Koni/Bilstein. All names you'll see on club racers, factory cars, and F1. Definitely worth the money, considering how complex dampers can get.

The best results from the cheaper shocks seem to be from the external res. ones, which I'm assuming have more digression due to the external bleeders (be it needle or sprung). There were never any shock dynos from the KSports Circuit Pros (Brady's TA car) or Stance 3-ways (Sasha's touring car) so it's tough to say beyond saying they had some success. It's not as though you can say they wouldn't have been faster on Ohlins/Bilstein/Penske/Koni though.

[yokota180sx]

yeha,

but againall these(well 60%) are budget coilovers. THey are for people that dont get the cash by trackign their cars.I am fortunate enough to have been able to use a **** ton of suspensions, and drive a large number of cars with a huge variation of setups.

But ill haev to say, my favorite by far is Aragosta.its one of the BEST coilover setups ive ever ridden or driven with.

[AceInhole]

yeha,

but againall these(well 60%) are budget coilovers. THey are for people that dont get the cash by trackign their cars.I am fortunate enough to have been able to use a **** ton of suspensions, and drive a large number of cars with a huge variation of setups.

Performance wise, you can do better with Koni sports, or Bilstein inserts (which are even inverted monotube struts!). Being able to slam your car another inch seems to be the decisive factor (although going any lower on the Koni's I ran/ currently have would implant the tires into the frame).

Quote »But ill haev to say, my favorite by far is Aragosta.its one of the BEST coilover setups ive ever ridden or driven with.[/quote]I was curious. They were recommended by one person, but not having much info on them other than some generic specs didn't seem reason enough to take the chance, when they cost about as much as the setup I'll be running (when my rears are done, at least). It's almost to the point that you could have Moton clubsports custom made, though.

[blackieblack]

dude, when a thread says "what do u guys think?" in the title, expect to here opinions cuz thats whats being asked for. sure megans are fine for some ppl, but all yokota did was give his experience and what he's used various coilovers for. if u never track a car like he does then u wont notice the differnce w/ crappier ones. ur no better than he is if ur giving ur opinion cuz thats all hes doing

he never said in his opinion. he said he has alot of experience so he knows what hes talking about. and you said that something based on your friends experience who most likely had a stock susp. setup with coilovers and was street driving it. theres no way that yokota could have put in enough track to time to PROPERLY dismiss all of his above mentioned coilovers. he just has a big head and swears hes the only one to do drift and grip. so let nos turn this into a " i was only stating my opinion" deal cause it isnt. lets consider the fact the both of you made rips about k sports in reference to them being used on the street. ok most aftermarket coilovers arent designed to be street driven. they say offroad use only which i hope you guys know what that means. moreover they shouldnt be driven on anywhere with just the coilovers and the rest of suspension stock. that ususally ends up being a crappier susp. combo than in the frist place. this season drifting with chicagos clubfr the k sports ended up doing better than i thought. and in drift suspension isnt as important. it mostly comes down to skill. there were cars this season that did well with stock suspension and open diff against cars that had over 3k in suspension. im not saying k sports are the greatest. they just do the job. in grip they suck balls. they dont dont respond well and i agree that the rears are terrible. even with upgraded multi link.

[AceInhole]

ok most aftermarket coilovers arent designed to be street driven. they say offroad use only which i hope you guys know what that means.

It generally means the company doesn't want to be liable for when they break and you become injured as a result, or they aren't up to DOT specification (if such specs exist).

Quote »im not saying k sports are the greatest. they just do the job. in grip they suck balls. they dont dont respond well and i agree that the rears are terrible. even with upgraded multi link.[/quote]Are you defending ksports or ripping on them? I'm curious as to what job it is they do, if they don't feature much for ride quality (streetability), or performance (traction), both of which are characteristics of a dampers main function: controlling the spring.

[yokota180sx]

aragosta is like the track coilover for club racers over here

EVERYONE loves them. the owner of a HUGE shop here uses them for his sanctioned track racing on an s15.

only problem is its pricey...real pricey

Performance wise, you can do better with Koni sports, or Bilstein inserts (which are even inverted monotube struts!). Being able to slam your car another inch seems to be the decisive factor (although going any lower on the Koni's I ran/ currently have would implant the tires into the frame).

I was curious. They were recommended by one person, but not having much info on them other than some generic specs didn't seem reason enough to take the chance, when they cost about as much as the setup I'll be running (when my rears are done, at least). It's almost to the point that you could have Moton clubsports custom made, though.

[White Comet]

he never said in his opinion. he said he has alot of experience so he knows what hes talking about. and you said that something based on your friends experience who most likely had a stock susp. setup with coilovers and was street driving it. theres no way that yokota could have put in enough track to time to PROPERLY dismiss all of his above mentioned coilovers. he just has a big head and swears hes the only one to do drift and grip. so let nos turn this into a " i was only stating my opinion" deal cause it isnt. lets consider the fact the both of you made rips about k sports in reference to them being used on the street. ok most aftermarket coilovers arent designed to be street driven. they say offroad use only which i hope you guys know what that means. moreover they shouldnt be driven on anywhere with just the coilovers and the rest of suspension stock. that ususally ends up being a crappier susp. combo than in the frist place. this season drifting with chicagos clubfr the k sports ended up doing better than i thought. and in drift suspension isnt as important. it mostly comes down to skill. there were cars this season that did well with stock suspension and open diff against cars that had over 3k in suspension. im not saying k sports are the greatest. they just do the job. in grip they suck balls. they dont dont respond well and i agree that the rears are terrible. even with upgraded multi link.

dont condescend to me, or being hypocritical. this thread sounds like something yokota would post and u are contradicting urself a lot by saying what k soprts arent good for. the rest of his suspension wasnt stock , but i think ur missing the point here. even if everything else was stock, a coilover that u buy brand new, daily driver on normal roads should not blow after a few months period.

[GENOCYYDE]

f*ck that get some PBM coilovers

[blackieblack]

by sayi

dont condescend to me, or being hypocritical. this thread sounds like something yokota would post and u are contradicting urself a lot by saying what k soprts arent good for. the rest of his suspension wasnt stock , but i think ur missing the point here. even if everything else was stock, a coilover that u buy brand new, daily driver on normal roads should not blow after a few months period.

by saying they werent great the whole time? thats contradicting? i said they do the job. god read what i post and you wont sound dumb. and putting on coilovers on their max hight still isnt close to stock height. it throws the balance of the car off. the car is tuned to certain specs from the factorywith the suspension it has. when you change a major suspension component like upgrading to coilovers your chaging one parameter with out adjusting the others. if something happens whos fault is it? the person not fully adjusting their suspension after changing one or two areas, or the person who makes coilovers and sells them? thats why i said that most coilovers werent desgined for the street. it doesnt matter if you DD it or not. street roads are crap crap crap. almost every new part exterior wise ive put on has been damaged within days of driving it on the street. little dings and nicks corrosion. and almost everything undet the car too. it just sounds like your counter replying everything i say for the sake of doing it rather than to make sense. when these companies design coilovers they dont make them with the intention of them being street driven. i know of a few that have coilovers that are slightly changed for street use. in most cases you might just need to change the springs to make them streetable. white comit just cause you post like 100 times a day doesnt make you an authority here. im not sure how you got that impression but its wrong.

[White Comet]

its still the fault of the manufaturer of the coilovers if they blow when installed and used properly. i agree that if u improperly install them its ur fault but if u properly install them and have other suspension upgrades to work along w/ them then it t the fault of the company making them if they blow after a few months