Mazworx adapter issue

[tmorgan4]

Sucks to hear they aren't fixing the issue in a more professional manner.

As far as the messed up threads, go on Snap-Ons site and they sell a $2 M14x1.50 thread tap (not to tap holes, but to clean up threads) that worked great on mine. They had free shipping as well so it was really less than $3 to my house. Cleaned up the hole nicely and I got a bolt to fit and torque down quite nicely.

[craigztoyz]

Thanx Morgan. i will look at that. I asked at sears, and the ones they had, I did not want to get, the set was $40.

[Z Style]

I hope I don't have to go through all the trouble when I order mine.

[craigztoyz]

As soon as I get a new one, I will post how it fits. But that hole is off enough, It may be safe, and all good without it, probably would be. But The sign says, "highest quality". SO I expect it to fit right the first time, no questions asked, especially for the priece of what you get.

[Z Style]

I would be pissed if I paid that much for something that was supposed to be a bolt on affair and wasn't.

[npez]

As soon as I get a new one, I will post how it fits. But that hole is off enough, It may be safe, and all good without it, probably would be. But The sign says, "highest quality". SO I expect it to fit right the first time, no questions asked, especially for the priece of what you get.

Craig,

I just got my replacement adapter in. I will most likely pull the trans and take care of it in the next couple of days. If you don't beat me to it, I'll let you know how it fits....

Thanks,Nick.

[ultrapulse]

Give you 25 bucks off ya next order...onya mate...

[craigztoyz]

Modified by craigztoyz at 10:00 PM 6/18/2008

[Mazworx]

I gotta say, after reading this thread, it seems Craig blows everything out of proprotion. Let me discribe to you how this adapter plate works. The dowel pins on the engine line up to the adapter plate and the dowels on the adapter plate line up the trans. So when assembled, the centerline of the engine is lined up with the centerline of the trans. The bolts on the adapter plate and bellhousing just hold the pieces together. The dowel pin holes are machined to a .002" tolerance and the bolt holes are just drilled to a clearance (+1/32").

You ask, why was the hole off in the first place. Well as I discribed to Craig and Nick, when we initially probed for the bolt pattern, we used the stock bellhousing. The stock bellhousing holes for the bolts are not even machined, they are casted, so the bellhousing holes didn't represent a good centerline. But the dowel pin holes were machined. So the second time around we used the dust shield and that worked to get the proper locations.

This kit is a custom setup that no body else has produced. We have sold over 150 SR, KA, L, VH adapter kits. This is the first problem we had in the past 2-1/2 yrs. When this problem was brought up to me (after selling about 10 VH kits), we decided to go back and take a look at the issue. After testing one of the plates out on a project car we started working on, we had to drill the hole to the next size to get the bolt to clear. Once again, these are clearance holes and not location holes. Once we did that , everything worked out good. Mind you, the dowel pins lined up perfect, all the other holes were good and the bellhousing mated up good. So to say the adapter didn't fit is not an accurate statement. Because you can bolt everything together and run it without that bolt and still not have an issue. I know it should have been right in the first place, but to come on here and throw a fit is kind of ridiculous.

We do our best to support the community and Nissan enthusiasts who want to do crazy swaps and push the limits of their cars. We are not perfect, so if there is an issue, be patient and let us try to resolve it.
Modified by Mazworx at 8:10 PM 6/16/2008

[npez]

I gotta say, after reading this thread, it seems Craig blows everything out of proprotion. Let me discribe to you how this adapter plate works. The dowel pins on the engine line up to the adapter plate and the dowels on the adapter plate line up the trans. So when assembled, the centerline of the engine is lined up with the centerline of the trans. The bolts on the adapter plate and bellhousing just hold the pieces together. The dowel pin holes are machined to a .002" tolerance and the bolt holes are just drilled to a clearance (+1/32").

You ask, why was the hole off in the first place. Well as I discribed to Craig and Nick, when we initially probed for the bolt pattern, we used the stock bellhousing. The stock bellhousing holes for the bolts are not even machined, they are casted, so the bellhousing holes didn't represent a good centerline. But the dowel pin holes were machined. So the second time around we used the dust shield and that worked to get the proper locations.

This kit is a custom setup that no body else has produced. We have sold over 150 SR, KA, L, VH adapter kits. This is the first problem we had in the past 2-1/2 yrs. When this problem was brought up to me (after selling about 10 VH kits), we decided to go back and take a look at the issue. After testing one of the plates out on a project car we started working on, we had to drill the hole to the next size to get the bolt to clear. Once again, these are clearance holes and not location holes. Once we did that , everything worked out good. Mind you, the dowel pins lined up perfect, all the other holes were good and the bellhousing mated up good. So to say the adapter didn't fit is not an accurate statement. Because you can bolt everything together and run it without that bolt and still not have an issue. I know it should have been right in the first place, but to come on here and throw a fit is kind of ridiculous.

We do our best to support the community and Nissan enthusiasts who want to do crazy swaps and push the limits of their cars. We are not perfect, so if there is an issue, be patient and let us try to resolve it.

Modified by Mazworx at 5:26 PM 6/16/2008

Mark,

I'm not going to speak for Craig, but my perception is that some of what you see in this thread is a combination of venting and a play-by-play update. If you look under the thread "Road Terror Z" you'll see gsiguy providing an update on how the Moates Ostrich2 product is having issues with the Nissan ECM - same type deal, without a lot of the venting, but Moates hasn't had an opportunity to respond either - it's just the play-by-play. I do agree with you that the bolt hole didn't present a safety or performance issue as we spoke at length about it on the telephone.

Additionally, you were very flexible in the resolution to enlarge the hole/get credit or get a new plate if we felt strongly about it. Now, as I mentioned on the phone, I don't think enlarging the hole would've been a challenge, at least for me, if it wasn't for the countersunk hole needing additional work to clear a thin wall socket. For $500 my expectation was everything working "out of the box" especially considering this is a custom part as you mentioned earlier.

At the end though, we both did receive the replacement plates, and as far as I know from speaking with Craig, he told me his "fits perfectly". I did want to close the loop that the replacement plates were 100% correct.

Now I haven't done mine as I spent a lot of time this weekend with the family for Father's day, etc. But I trust that if it worked perfect on Craig's it'll work perfect on mine as well.

That's my thoughts on this matter, Craig can chime in if he feels differently.

Thanks again for taking care of all this.

Nick.

[elwesso]

Well, I'll be putting my VH45 adapters on the market soon! Lower price and no machining of the bellhousings, and extremely minimal spacing (1/4in)

[tmorgan4]

I know it's off topic, but while Mark @ Mazworx is here....

Any chance you're planning on making a new dust shield to cover the open bottom half of the transmission? The entire bottom of my bellhousing is still wide open and I need to find a way to cover it up and keep crap out of the bellhousing. I know one can be made by modifying a 300zx plate but I like buying pre-bought things sometimes and I think it would be a great addition to your kit.

Even though I ran into the same issues Craig mentioned with the one hole being slightly off, I made it work and the adapter works like it should!!! Thanks for the Nissan (especially VH) support.

[tmorgan4]

Well, I'll be putting my VH45 adapters on the market soon! Lower price and no machining of the bellhousings, and extremely minimal spacing (1/4in)

Wes...I think it's great that you're trying to make another adapter available but to be honest, I'm glad I didn't wait. I can't count how many times I've heard "It will be done at the end of the week!" and haven't seen ANY progress yet. Not to discourage you, but I bet it's been at least 6 months since I got excited thinking it was going to be out very soon.

Making this adapter really shouldn't be rocket science. What's the hold up?

[T45]

Hey tmo, I have the plate that I fabbed up if you want it. It's basically a VH top and Z32 lower halves graphed together. You'd have to separate the trans though... lol

Off topic but I'm getting ready to order my radiator so if you could get those injectors out this week that would be swell.

[elwesso]

Wes...I think it's great that you're trying to make another adapter available but to be honest, I'm glad I didn't wait. I can't count how many times I've heard "It will be done at the end of the week!" and haven't seen ANY progress yet. Not to discourage you, but I bet it's been at least 6 months since I got excited thinking it was going to be out very soon.

Making this adapter really shouldn't be rocket science. What's the hold up?

Well its called depending on others for free machining! The holes are cut and the outline is made, they just have to cut the plates out of the sheet and countersink the holes!

[craigztoyz]

Modified by craigztoyz at 9:53 PM 6/18/2008

[craigztoyz]

Modified by craigztoyz at 9:54 PM 6/18/2008

[elwesso]

gentlemen, i would appreciate that you take this conversation off the forum... Mark does not need to come onto an online forum and defend his reputation or company, nor does this belong on here.

[Mazworx]

elwesso, you are right!

Nick, tmorgan, thanx for you understanding and business.

[T45]

[elwesso]

ROFL!!!!!

[craigztoyz]

elwesso, you are right!

Nick, tmorgan, thanx for you understanding and business.

I was only venting my situation with the product that did not fit, and service, looking to see if I was the only 1. After waiting 35 days, modifing it, it fits, so As I said earlier, matter dropped. I am too busy working to worry about that.
Modified by craigztoyz at 9:56 PM 6/18/2008

[elwesso]

just to clarify, I have no problems with people posting issues they have with products, especially stuff with VH because products are few and far between, however I feel that the last few posts should have been done over email, not on the forum..

Its all behind us now!

[thejapino]

Im looking forward to the adapter plate wes.

[elwesso]

Finally!

[T45]

Um, have you actually bolted that to a Z32 transmission? You're going to have to clearance for the starter snout.

[elwesso]

are you talking on the block? Yeah, as you would with the mazworx plate.

[T45]

But the max plate is only basically 1/2 a plate. It stops just above the starter to my knowledge. Something to keep in mind...

[elwesso]

i am not sure I follow you...

[ultrapulse]

Well, I'll be putting my VH45 adapters on the market soon! Lower price and no machining of the bellhousings, and extremely minimal spacing (1/4in)

I would definitely be keen if it was thicker. I can't really see how 1/4" of thread depth maximum will allow the gearbox to adapter plate bolts to be tightened up sufficiently, this is if the bolts are shaved perfectly allowing full depth to be used before possibly hitting on the engine face. Afterall 1/4" is nothing depth-wise when talking about a 10 or 12mm bolt. If there is a chance to make it say 1/2 or better 3/4" thick I'd be interested.I do appreciate a method offered that is a bolt-on setup, which means not buggaring a good nissan gearbox for good and not going beyond that point of no return:). This is just my own opinion, and hope this doesn't piss you off too much. I guess it is more just disappointment as its just what I'd be keen on if it was thicker..