marijuana thread

[PoorManQ45]

Why is it illegal?

I know it is a mind altering drug, but doesn't alcohol and other "drugs/medication" do the same thing?

[Jesda]

Because its fun, apparently, to some people.

I personally hate it.

[Oatmealman]

me and my teachers have had this talk alot in class and they all say because the governement seems to think that it will make people do stupid stuff like smoke weed and drive or something along those lines,i always said because the governement is gay,from personal experiance marijuana does have mind altering substances,depending on what kind you smoke,like swag isn't that strong and tastes like butt,but whiterhino will mess you up hard core,i've smoked a bowl of it and i was messed up for a leaat 6 hours and i smoked that bowl by my self

[Jesda]

me and my teachers have had this talk alot in class and they all say because the governement seems to think that it will make people do stupid stuff like smoke weed and drive or something along those lines,i always said because the governement is gay,from personal experiance marijuana does have mind altering substances,depending on what kind you smoke,like swag isn't that strong and tastes like butt,but whiterhino will mess you up hard core,i've smoked a bowl of it and i was messed up for a leaat 6 hours and i smoked that bowl by my self

This is why its so hard to legalize marijuana. You cant find anyone who can coherently testify at a congressional hearing!

[Oatmealman]

what does those words mean

[xekushnr]

its illegal because during the prohibition era the government and local police started blaming anything violent/destructive on marijuana users, citing the drug as the cause. the prohibition started in some states then spread, and was eventually made a national law.

i smoke, but dont feel i should have to hide it like i do and feel all shady about it (unless im inside). the people who run the country have such a strong (and bad) opinion on weed, yet a majority or people in the country really dont give a ****. how many of you would be against marijuana legalization if there were restrictions on it (age, not before driving etc.)?

[Oatmealman]

i would be but the age would have to be like 16 so i could smoke it when they got done legalizing the law,so i'm down for smoking were at like my house right now

[bobotech]

Son, we can tell.

OH we can tell.

[Falkdesigns]

Why is it illegal? Because the Paper/Logging, Alcohol and Tobacco industries lobbied the US Govt. in the 20's to make it so. Logging realized the threat to their business if there was NO need to cut down trees for paper when it could be re-grown every 6 months with Hemp (no THC containing cousin of Mary) ~ many european countries main paper source is Hemp. Alcohol industry, well it's obvious why they felt a threat, although I still drink plenty regardless if I smoked out or not. Tobacco, I really don't get them. They are the ideallly suited business to take control of a legal Marijuana situation and make it a side business that they are already set up for!! In any case, that's pretty much it. I wrote a paper on this topic back in 87-88, so this is what I recall.

The mind-altering effects of Marijuana are far less than alcohol (unless it's your first few times smoking, but the same can be said for alcohol). There was a study paid for by a police dept. somewhere, (sorry, it's been ages) where they tested the driving ability's of a 1) sober person, 2) drunk person and 3) stoned person. Well, guess what? The stoned person was pretty much on par with the sober one, while the drunk person would have been pulled over and arrested.

Honestly, there is not one single legitimate reason for the continued prohibition on Marijuana. Fact: it is the oldest known cultivated plant on earth. Fact: humans have been using it for tens of thousands of years. Fact: it is mentioned at least twice in the bible "God gave all green herbs which bear a seed unto Man and said "take them, they are for meat." Now I'm not a big church / bible guy, but a friend who is showed me two quotes like this, and explained that in Hebrew (language bible was written in) "meat" means something you consume. As far as I'm concerned, it does not say "all green herbs that bear a seed -EXCEPT FOR THAT EVIL MARIJUANA STUFF!!!" it's says all green herbs which bear a seed, that includes Marijuana.

Some people take prozac, some smoke cigarettes (1000x more harmful, ever hear of someone OD'ing on pot, or dying from lung cancer caused by it? Nope.), some take valium, etc. Myself, a few rips on the bong does me right at the end of the day, and I see no harm in that. Been doing it for almost 20 years now too.

[nismofly]

im not sure how its worse than alcohol...and thats legal

nobody would listen to you though

[Oatmealman]

Why is it illegal? Because the Paper/Logging, Alcohol and Tobacco industries lobbied the US Govt. in the 20's to make it so. Logging realized the threat to their business if there was NO need to cut down trees for paper when it could be re-grown every 6 months with Hemp (no THC containing cousin of Mary) ~ many european countries main paper source is Hemp. Alcohol industry, well it's obvious why they felt a threat, although I still drink plenty regardless if I smoked out or not. Tobacco, I really don't get them. They are the ideallly suited business to take control of a legal Marijuana situation and make it a side business that they are already set up for!! In any case, that's pretty much it. I wrote a paper on this topic back in 87-88, so this is what I recall.

The mind-altering effects of Marijuana are far less than alcohol (unless it's your first few times smoking, but the same can be said for alcohol). There was a study paid for by a police dept. somewhere, (sorry, it's been ages) where they tested the driving ability's of a 1) sober person, 2) drunk person and 3) stoned person. Well, guess what? The stoned person was pretty much on par with the sober one, while the drunk person would have been pulled over and arrested.

Honestly, there is not one single legitimate reason for the continued prohibition on Marijuana. Fact: it is the oldest known cultivated plant on earth. Fact: humans have been using it for tens of thousands of years. Fact: it is mentioned at least twice in the bible "God gave all green herbs which bear a seed unto Man and said "take them, they are for meat." Now I'm not a big church / bible guy, but a friend who is showed me two quotes like this, and explained that in Hebrew (language bible was written in) "meat" means something you consume. As far as I'm concerned, it does not say "all green herbs that bear a seed -EXCEPT FOR THAT EVIL MARIJUANA STUFF!!!" it's says all green herbs which bear a seed, that includes Marijuana.

Some people take prozac, some smoke cigarettes (1000x more harmful, ever hear of someone OD'ing on pot, or dying from lung cancer caused by it? Nope.), some take valium, etc. Myself, a few rips on the bong does me right at the end of the day, and I see no harm in that. Been doing it for almost 20 years now too.

i love you man we need to get together sometime and "chill" if you know what i mean,oh and ya man my freind od'd on pot he smoked for a full day straight and was messed up,he snow capped it though that could have been it

[bobotech]

Why is it illegal? Because the Paper/Logging, Alcohol and Tobacco industries lobbied the US Govt. in the 20's to make it so. Logging realized ---snip--- Myself, a few rips on the bong does me right at the end of the day, and I see no harm in that. Been doing it for almost 20 years now too.

Good post.

[Oatmealman]

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[Oatmealman]

for refrence i got that off google

[PoorManQ45]

^^^ Is that why it was saved on your computer

[Oatmealman]

no i just saved it form google and ittached it here

[Falkdesigns]

Ghetto, yeah, I think the snow caps had just a wee bit more to do with it than the herb

To me, it's like persecution, but I happen to live in a state where no one gives a fck if you smoke or not, and for a personal amount, it's just a fine at worst, or they just take what you have.

What ever happend to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"???? Does that not apply to citizens who's pursuit of happiness includes a few rips on the bong? Apparently not.

[Oatmealman]

man i'm going to the netherlands man,weed is legal there

[M3Racer]

Here's an article by Dr. Drew Pinsky, a Board Certified Addiction Medicine Specialist:

There is no doubt that marijuana affects people differently. It also has different effects at various ages of development. Some reliable studies suggest that using marijuana before age 15 can cause shrinkage in the right frontal lobe of the brain, a region important for developing coping strategies and cognitive functions such as abstract reasoning.

The syndrome of marijuana addiction is rather interesting--it almost always occurs only in the setting of a family history of alcoholism. But even if you have this history, not everyone has the genetic makeup to become addicted to marijuana. Those who do are usually exposed to marijuana one or two times without any significant effect. However, somewhere around the third exposurealthough it can be on the first exposurethey have a tremendously euphoric experience, in which they really love the way they feel. From that day forward, they wake up thinking about repeating the "greatest experience" of their lives.

In an attempt to restore this euphoric mood, marijuana addicts increase their use of this drug. They may even stumble onto speed or alcohol as other ways of re-experiencing these feelings; but unfortunately, they usually end up addicted to one of these as well. In your case, I wonder whether you were actually able to definitively stop using marijuana, or if you have possibly transitioned to using another substance.

Eventually, the euphoric effect of smoking pot can start to wear off, which causes the addict to become increasingly depressed, anxious and forgetful. This is what you are referring to when you say that marijuana "makes you dumb." This can happen anywhere from one to 20 years after starting to smoke pot. Notice how variable this period of time is. Some people smoke pot for 20 years and still don't significantly develop these effects, though by that point, most do.

In addition to the other side effects, in the first six months of abstinence from using marijuana, there is a very high incidence of suicidal depression. I have lost several marijuana-addicted patients to suicide.

Once the brain has been sufficiently exposed to any addictive drug, the brain's anatomy and chemistry undergo a biological change, which creates very intense drives. These drives don't ever really go away. The result is a very powerful urge to return to pot, and in a vast majority of cases, people actually do return to it. Fortunately, this urge can be diminished with some kind of formal treatment.

[PoorManQ45]

man i'm going to the netherlands man,weed is legal there

Just go to canada. It's legal and alot cheaper.

[CrimsonQ]

Why is it illegal? Because the Paper/Logging, Alcohol and Tobacco industries lobbied the US Govt. in the 20's to make it so. Logging realized the threat to their business if there was NO need to cut down trees for paper when it could be re-grown every 6 months with Hemp (no THC containing cousin of Mary) ~ many european countries main paper source is Hemp. Alcohol industry, well it's obvious why they felt a threat, although I still drink plenty regardless if I smoked out or not. Tobacco, I really don't get them. They are the ideallly suited business to take control of a legal Marijuana situation and make it a side business that they are already set up for!! In any case, that's pretty much it. I wrote a paper on this topic back in 87-88, so this is what I recall.

The mind-altering effects of Marijuana are far less than alcohol (unless it's your first few times smoking, but the same can be said for alcohol). There was a study paid for by a police dept. somewhere, (sorry, it's been ages) where they tested the driving ability's of a 1) sober person, 2) drunk person and 3) stoned person. Well, guess what? The stoned person was pretty much on par with the sober one, while the drunk person would have been pulled over and arrested.

Honestly, there is not one single legitimate reason for the continued prohibition on Marijuana. Fact: it is the oldest known cultivated plant on earth. Fact: humans have been using it for tens of thousands of years. Fact: it is mentioned at least twice in the bible "God gave all green herbs which bear a seed unto Man and said "take them, they are for meat." Now I'm not a big church / bible guy, but a friend who is showed me two quotes like this, and explained that in Hebrew (language bible was written in) "meat" means something you consume. As far as I'm concerned, it does not say "all green herbs that bear a seed -EXCEPT FOR THAT EVIL MARIJUANA STUFF!!!" it's says all green herbs which bear a seed, that includes Marijuana.

Some people take prozac, some smoke cigarettes (1000x more harmful, ever hear of someone OD'ing on pot, or dying from lung cancer caused by it? Nope.), some take valium, etc. Myself, a few rips on the bong does me right at the end of the day, and I see no harm in that. Been doing it for almost 20 years now too.

Thanks for saving my 5 fingers from typing that! Some have a few beers after work, i have a few hits

[PoorManQ45]

nobody would listen to you though

Unfortunatley you're right. Even if you present FACTS to back your arguement people will say, "Oh you're just a pot head trying to justify your actions". It really pisses me off when they say things like that

[S12Nick]

it ****s with your mind but so does all those other legal drugs its just a stupid law

[AmoebAssassin]

From a health standpoint, marijuana is less harmful than nicotine from a cancer standpoint. It's true that a J has more available carcinogens than tobacco just due to the the nature of lack of filtration, but the consumption rate of said joint is so much lesser than cigarette consumption. I know people who smoke one to two packs a day of cigarettes...however, i only take three to five hits of weed to get high, and i only do it every other weekend or so. I'd be really surprised if i got cancer from weed, as I dont smoke cigarettes.

[thekage]

I have never smoked weed and I never intend to. But I think it should be legalized.For the reason that the government could make a killing in taxes off it and maybe settle our national debt or save social security... but even if they did legalize it.. I am sure they would squander it on Salaries or something..

[ralphdig]

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[flohtingPoint]

man i'm going to the netherlands man,weed is legal there

Remember how drinking was fun before you could? Same way with pot in the Netherlands. My last trip there, I was talking to a local about such, and he says its about as much fun as smoking a regular cig.

[Falkdesigns]

Drinking is still fun (20 years), smoking is still fun (20 years). Regular cig's are a waste of breath.

[spider_slayer]

i smoke. i'm also attending a university and getting a 4 year degree. if i was to get caught smoking i would never be able to get the same caliber job of a person who has not been caught reguardless of my 4 year degree. its a shame that it happens to so many who at one point had a bright future.

as of right now the nay sayers out number the pot smokers and thats how its been for ages. i pray for revolution.

[gabossie]

Like Falk said, it's all just a matter of lobbied politics. At least here in cali I don't really have to worry about it as they usually don't do anything when you get caught with a little bit of pot. Just a couple weeks ago I got pulled over and my sister had her pipe with a couple grams of bud and as usual they just made her break the pipe on the ground and scatter the bud, no big deal, they didn't even give me a ticket for my exhaust which is why they pulled me over. Unless you're carrying around large quantities (selling), you have very little to worry about here. Personally, I smoke but I don't buy bud. I enjoy smoking when it's offered to me but it's not enough of a priority right now to spend what very little money I have on it.