Making 200rwhp on a KA24DE

[Iceman00]

not going to happen.. you can't just add 80whp with boltons

Too bad that is not what he asked.

save up and get a turbo.

You're ****ing dumb. He never expressed interest in a turbocharger, why bring it up?

you CAN'T make 200whp without opening the engine. you car stock might make 120whp if you're lucky. flywheel and pulleys don't add horsepower.

also, please show me a 200whp 240sx with bolt ons.

He never claimed he could make 200whp with just bolt ons. If you weren't such a tool, you'd realize he was asking for suggestions on how to obtain his goal.

Because the KA24DE, by design, cannot make that much power without forced induction.

You are such a dumbass. What in the KA's design inhibits it from reaching 200whp? Once more, the OP never asked about Forced induction.

Turbooooo

Dumbass

Looked into it myself, Found an SR20 block to build up for cheaper.

Recently ran into a kid in my town with a built DOHC KA, he had a ton of **** stripped from the interior to the engine bay.He muttered about different pistons IIRC for higher CR, ITB's, Megasquirt, full exhaust from header back.Went for a ride in the car with him and I'll admit it had pep... but it didn't feel anywhere near 200rwhp.

N/A with a KA is expensive/requires studying.... just boost.

A good boost project requires the same. Again, you have offered no answers, just bullsit like the others.

Idiots, all of you.

[Iceman00]

It takes work, but it can be done. Custom manifold and header vs ITB and custome header

Thread here

http://forums2.nicoclub.com/sh...75979

For the record, a 200whp N/A KA.



Thread here: http://forums2.nicoclub.com/sh...77042

Both are done by the same person

[s_13_steve]

^^^^ Hey FYI your links are dead ^^^^^^

If you really want to be different, you could always supercharge your KA. From the research I have done it's alot of work but if you want that instant power it might be an idea. But if money is a factor, just go with a budget KA-T setup. I'd like to supercharge just because I am in to wierd **** and think that instant power would be nice, but it doesnt look like I would be able to go over 220whp without and *** ton of work, but it would be more for the expierence than anything, except for having a sweet car of course

Quote »oh and i know its possible. for all you KA haters, my uncles friend races a KA that holds 548rwhp on stock internals. ^_^ get some! [/quote] KA-T? I am willing to bet it is turbo'd (sp?) and not NA

P.S. stop saying BRO so much

[beowulfXchaos]

Thats what im talking about!!!!!!thanks iceman!!!And hes right guys i never said i wanted to make all on bolt-ons.

that chart helped alot.

[beowulfXchaos]

Dude i ****ing joined this forum to talk to fellow nissan lovers not to get flamed on whats possible and how many times i say bro....bro.**** you.

owned

[Razi]

You are such a dumbass. What in the KA's design inhibits it from reaching 200whp? Once more, the OP never asked about Forced induction.

I believe having a long stroke would restrict the KA, the KA was not made with horsepower in mind, it was design to make more torque than horsepower.

I'm sure that those dyno sheets are real, and I believe that a KA can make 200hp with enough money and work. Now I'm wondering how reliable that 200hp KA is?

Also, since those links are broken, I'm wondering what he changed inbetween the first run with 180hp. Then the other run with 200hp.

Seeing as CF is uncorrected in the 200hp version, that would've had some affect on the results, whether it was a positive or negative affect.

By the way, you don't have to call people dumbasses , I'm just voicing my opinion and giving him suggestions on alternate routes to reach his power goals.

[beowulfXchaos]

well i think i have enough tech knowledge to push this thing to 200 hp(with more than bolt-ons)and the next time you guys hear from me on this topic it'll be done.

[S13CoupeLover]

There was a KA24E (SOHC) that was built by a race team, I can't remember correctly, but they probably had a huge budget.I don't remember if they even got 200hp out of it. But keep in mind, that 200hp-ish engine wasn't made for daily driving, it was meant to be torn down and rebuilt after every race.

Even if you dump money into the KA, and somehow manage to reach 200hp, you will not have daily driving reliability.

Someone will probably chime in with the link to the race engine.

i believe you are talking about the SCCA KAE class GT-3. Nismo carb conversion intake manifold, i think forged 11-13.5 compression pistons, ported intake, list goes on and on. these KAEs where/are pushing what? 200+ but also i believe someone on here said this is the last year for this class. i would of loved to build something like that once in my life time!! or even be apart of a build like that!

[xckid]

can we sticky one of these ...so that way ppl can have some where too look when the want to try and make hp with the stock ka with out going turbo...plz

[S13CoupeLover]

well i think i have enough tech knowledge to push this thing to 200 hp(with more than bolt-ons)and the next time you guys hear from me on this topic it'll be done.

i'll be looking forward to seeing the finished product!!! im not to....educated on the KADE but if a E engine can make over 200hp u cna do it with a DE!

[Iceman00]

I believe having a long stroke would restrict the KA, the KA was not made with horsepower in mind, it was design to make more torque than horsepower.

I'm sure that those dyno sheets are real, and I believe that a KA can make 200hp with enough money and work. Now I'm wondering how reliable that 200hp KA is?

Also, since those links are broken, I'm wondering what he changed inbetween the first run with 180hp. Then the other run with 200hp.

Seeing as CF is uncorrected in the 200hp version, that would've had some affect on the results, whether it was a positive or negative affect.

By the way, you don't have to call people dumbasses , I'm just voicing my opinion and giving him suggestions on alternate routes to reach his power goals.

You are wrong, and that is what makes you ****ing stupid. The K24 and H22 Both are longer stroke motors, and yet they spin above 7000RPM. The answer is a lot more complicated than you think.

And once more, he didn't ask about boost, so it was irrelevant.

[s13 drifta]

I should be able to push 200whp when Im done with my na build, Im not going to say what my plans are but I will post some dyno charts when Im done. All Im doing internaly are going to be cams, so its going to be a stock block.

[Razi]

You are wrong, and that is what makes you ****ing stupid. The K24 and H22 Both are longer stroke motors, and yet they spin above 7000RPM. The answer is a lot more complicated than you think.

And once more, he didn't ask about boost, so it was irrelevant.

Not all engines are built the same.

[s13 drifta]

Not all engines are built the same.

Wow talking about pointing out the obvious. haha

[-RJ-]

some people are so mean lol

[spindrift187]

I'm sure that those dyno sheets are real, and I believe that a KA can make 200hp with enough money and work. Now I'm wondering how reliable that 200hp KA is?

Also, since those links are broken, I'm wondering what he changed inbetween the first run with 180hp. Then the other run with 200hp.

Seeing as CF is uncorrected in the 200hp version, that would've had some affect on the results, whether it was a positive or negative affect.

That KA is quite reliable, its a buddies car and hes taken it to numerous drift events and went all day without a hitch. It's obviously not his daily but it's not contantly broken.

Between those 2 dyno charts:added 4mm bigger itb's now 46mmshortened intake runner lenthinstalled vacuum pumpinstalled/tuned staged injectionadded a bit more overlap in the cams

I think the OP would be happy with a KAE with basic bolt-ons and a cam, good luck with the build whichever direction you choose!

[d3vilskid]

the one that made the 200whp ka, if you wanna read about it its in the freshalloy forum 240sx advance.

I believe you can get more hp out of na just use a longer piston rod package(GT3). Not sure how much ur willing to pay one it tho. Well just make sure to modify your crank and get a really good damper(like ati) for it and good luck.

P.S. I have yet to see GREASER's car(He is the one that made the 200whp) and he lives 30 min away from me or should i say that his car is at the shop that is 30 min away from me.

[shahabshaukat]

eh, turbo is possible.ok so i guess im gonna turbo the damn thing.

the sr is nice but with the money i spend to buy the motor i could make a hell of a KA(T)and since its imported if something happens on it i gotta get that stuff shipped from japan to fix it.

so maybe i'll jack with the internals a lil bit. maybe run a higher compression too

If you plan to turbo it then running higher compression isnt gonna help your cause infact if you decide to go turbo you should get lower compression pistons! As far as the 5.0 mustang is concerned I doubt your gonna beat it with 200whp. The best idea is to beef up internals on your KA and Boost it.

but thats my opinion....

[d3vilskid]

You can run high comp with turbo, but would have to be running alcohol.

If i recall in one of those magizine, there was a twin turbo inline 6 bmw with a 10:1 comp.

[shahabshaukat]

Ok, but the way i see it if your running alcohol your not really running a street car anymore? were talking about major $$and major HP if such a setup is planned. and i think that may be a bit extreme for a 200 rwhp setup. As far as making Na Hp is concerned i remember seeing a toyota with a tacoma motor running 450rwhp or so but I'm not too sure of the setup so i'll do some research and get back on that.

[d3vilskid]

if im not mistaking it was a celica with a tacoma motor thought it was 400hp(100hp/perlitre) and was use in drag racing.

I do know what you mean not really for street. As far as that 200wrhp na ka goes, seems streetable. It almost looks like that of a regular ka but higher.

Something needs to be done to the bottom end of a ka in my opinion. Am planning a build close to 200 using sohc piston, but thats in the future and hopefully i can get an intake mani fab just like the qr25 one.

Im not sure what kind of turbo was used on the bmw 3 series(i think its 3 series), but they claimed it was ok to use it with high comp, something bout a big turbo not sure. All I do know it was in a mag for new cars of 08

[Iam99x]

If you plan to turbo it then running higher compression isnt gonna help your cause infact if you decide to go turbo you should get lower compression pistons! As far as the 5.0 mustang is concerned I doubt your gonna beat it with 200whp. The best idea is to beef up internals on your KA and Boost it.

but thats my opinion....

You're right about the compression, high compressions + boost = detonation.

Um, 5.0 Mustangs aren't fast at all. I had an Integra LS that dyno'd at 130hp 119.9 ft. lbs. that would pull on them.

Power : weight ftw.

[shahabshaukat]

LOL, goes to show how much i know about mustangs, but ive seen some that are built up running pretty hard. Don't really know what hes up against.

You're right about the compression, high compressions + boost = detonation.

Um, 5.0 Mustangs aren't fast at all. I had an Integra LS that dyno'd at 130hp 119.9 ft. lbs. that would pull on them.

Power : weight ftw.