maine needs opinions on N2O

[MaineExport]

Alright, I've got some cash that needs to be spent. I'm just not happy with I/H/E and electric fans anymore.. and I haven't got the cash to spend on a turbo for the KA. So.... I am seriously considering N2O options.

You guys who have N2O setups.... what are your opinions... input... advice.... Direct port.... dry/wet.... etc... etc...

I refuse to buy NOS.... what else is there... Venom... NX....

How much is this going to set me back for the entire setup.... remote opener and what not?

How much can I squirt without twisting up the internals or blowing gaskets?

[SilviaLuvr]

will from what i heard from some guy at a strip club tell me and my boy, "if the dry kit is too powerful for your motor it would only blow your intake manifold unlike wet systems that goes threw (i think he said cams, valve, and pistons{...so many big boobs.....}) which will cost you an entire new engine instead of a new manifold" i think thats what i said {again big boobs distract me} so i guess i shouldn't of quoted that then!?

[fiznat]

Alright, I've got some cash that needs to be spent.

And I've found a car that I need to buy. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[ninjak84]

Here's what I know on the subject in case:

Nitrous would be fine running on completely stock internals at a maximum of a 50 shot.With minor bolt-ons, I've had friends go as high as a 75 shot (on an Integra though).

My poison of choice will always be Zex. Not enough people know that their favorite brand is under the APC name, and I will never ever trust anything from APC. ESPECIALLY something as volatile as nitrous.

[fiznat]

huh I didnt know that NOS was from APC. Interesting. I had always thought NOS was the benchmark brand for nitrous oxide systems.

[JESTER]

Okay. I dont have nitrous, but I did buy a book on nitrous and imports. Haven't finished reading it yet, but.......

50 shot on stock fuel system is about par. There is a big mathmatic equation they gave to get the exact shot you can run, but 50 is the usual. After that you have to upgrade the fuel system just like with a turbo, or run a wet system. A wet system is the kind that blows intakes off if improperly installed.

a good KA should have no problem holding 75 shot. (Get compression check and so on).

Two bits of advise.1. Get in contact with some of these comapnys. They have a ton of info to pass on. They dont want you blowing your engine and blaming their products.2. NOS is one of the best companys for N2O on the planet. They have more experience than any of these other companys. They been doing it for a long time.

[Mayhem_J30]

huh I didnt know that NOS was from APC. Interesting. I had always thought NOS was the benchmark brand for nitrous oxide systems.

They are, NOS has been around for a LONG time. Don't understand people's problem with it. they probably just hate to say "Naws"

[Repo Man]

They are, NOS has been around for a LONG time. Don't understand people's problem with it. they probably just hate to say "Naws"

This is a common misconception promoted by the "Fast and Furiously Gay" movie.

"NOS" is a brand name. It is an acronym for "Nitrous Oxide Systems". And like Mayhem has stated, they have been around longer than all of the other nitrous companies and they know what they're doing.

Talk to Redrocket about nitrous, or Aries. Red has used N2O extensively in his s14. Aries has a lot of experience with it as well.

As far as what dose, you don't have a hair on your arse if you don't spray a 200 shot! :icesangel

[nismofan14]

I thought Holley makes NOS, not APC. I have a 98 240 and i ran their wet system. I was pushing a 75 shot fine on stock internals then i switched to direct port and ran a 100 shot. I wouldn't recommend doing this on a high milage motor though. The kit is very nice for the money.

[MaineExport]

My refusal to buy NOS products is directly attributable to the F&F. Sorry if that makes me ignorant, but the fact that they became such a focus in that movie... means they spent a load of cash to get their name that much exposure. This makes them an active part of an effort to market to a group of easily influenced chowder heads.

I'm sure their product is as good as, or even better than some others.... but I hate to promote that type of advertising. And I also know.... that every time I push that button..... all I am going to hear is Vin screaming Naaaawwwssss, or Pauly W. saying.... I need one of these big ones..... no two... and it need it tonight.

[MaineExport]

"NOS" is a brand name. It is an acronym for "Nitrous Oxide Systems".

Yes, I know..... and I've had to beat that into a number of peoples' heads. Also.... there are still those that refuse to believe it is N2O.. not NO2.

[Repo Man]

Yes, I know..... and I've had to beat that into a number of peoples' heads. Also.... there are still those that refuse to believe it is N2O.. not NO2.

Please Hammer! Don't hurt 'em! :icesangel

[cnichols]

Nitrous Oxide Systems is owned and produced by Holley in Bowling Green, KY, not by APC.

And, yes they have been around for awhile, and it is a quality brand. I've had good luck with Nitrous Express though, so I would recommend either.

I've used a 75 wet kit from NX and had great luck with it...no problems whatsoever of blowing out the spark, detonation or any adverse effects.

[Aries]

If you go to the tech section, there is a nice little FAQ that will answer most of your questions.

As for how much you can safely spray, it depends on the kit, the setup, the motor's milage, and many other factors.

Personally, I have always used NOS systems, and have had great success in doing so.

[4cefed]

Maine: Not that I've ever fooled with N2O, but if it were me I'd drop some coin on an A/F gauge and possibly an EGT. I think I would also ask myself this question, (as I do with ANY car I screw with.): "Can I grenade this engine and not lose sleep?"

My friends and I have always wanted to buy a couple $50 junkyard Omnis and bring them to a drag. Throw on a 200 wet shot and have fun blowing them up.

[SRdS14]

i had a 75 shot on my ka for like 8 months...NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. its safe. i had the zex kit. then i got my SR20...i might throw a zex kit on that too for faster spool up. (i have a turbo upgrade and it doesn't boost til about 3500-4000)

[MaineExport]

If you go to the tech section, there is a nice little FAQ that will answer most of your questions.

As for how much you can safely spray, it depends on the kit, the setup, the motor's milage, and many other factors.

Personally, I have always used NOS systems, and have had great success in doing so.

Yeah... I read that a few days ago Aries, thank you. It was a huge help to understand what each type of system does... but I'm just curious about what other KA owners have done.... I'm looking for opinions and advice... not technical data.... your FAQ already provided that. I also want some idea of what to expect for price.

I am leaning towards the direct port style... but if the advantages over the others doesn't justify the expense... I'd like to know from those who have either.

4cefed:

Yeah... I'm pretty sure I could blow this KA up and not lose any sleep over it. The 240 is my daily driver, but I have a truck to get me to work and back if need be. I don't like the idea of spending cash to rebuild/replace an engine if I DO grenade it... but I won't be totally screwed if it happens.

Thanks everyone...

[Tino]

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Talk to Redrocket about nitrous, or Aries. Red has used N2O extensively in his s14. Aries has a lot of experience with it as well.

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didnt his ka **** the bed?

[jEzTeR]

I was wanting to get Red's opinion on the subject also since his car toasted.I wonder how much spray Robbie was using and what he thinks about N2O now? I was thinking about a little spraw in my Spec V after the warrente runs out,either that or a turbo.Then agian Ill most likely just sell it and get something else.LOL:D

[lessthanjakejohn]

Quote »My friends and I have always wanted to buy a couple $50 junkyard Omnis and bring them to a drag. Throw on a 200 wet shot and have fun blowing them up.[/quote]

NOOOOO, not Omnis, Enterprise rental Neons!

http://www.ag.auburn.edu/users/gparmer/articles/neon/

[Aries]

didnt his ka **** the bed?

after more than 400 passes on more gas than my fuel system could handle, yes.

Prices range from a CompuCar kit at $325 to full custom kits at nearly $2000

NX runs about $600NOS about $650ZEX about $550TNT about $700

Alot of the price can be changed up based on the optional components you want, but definately spring the extra cash for a nitrous pressure gauge and and AFR Gauge.

[JESTER]

Remember Nitrous Express is going to be in the next F&F movie. Venom is great if you can afford it. I like the looks and what I have heard about the ZEX,NX, and NOS kits. Currently looking at NX.

I am probally going to go nitrous when I get my car, until I can go turbo or a transplant. That's why I bought the book. If I ever get the car, I will finish reading it.

It proved it usefulness when my friend was beat in a race by a Civic with I/E and a 75 shot, against an LT1 Vette. Of course they aren't that fast but, it should have beat the Civy.

Anywho, let us know which way you decide to go.

[MaineExport]

Anywho, let us know which way you decide to go.

Will do.

I'm going shopping locally on monday.. then I'll hit whatever I can find online.

The install is pretty basic with most kits...... right? I might resort to a local shop to install if I have to... but I really don't want the added expense.

[JESTER]

I know NOS comes with easy install instructions. It has been awhile since I was NX and ZEX's sites. I am sure they do. From what I read, if you have good skills where working on cars is involved, you won't have any problems. Now I would have to get my mechanic friends to do the work for a six pack.

If I wasn't at work, I would get you the title of this book I got. Check Barnes and Noble in the Automotive section. It tells you pretty much everything you could want to know about Nitrous Oxide. Great book.

[bp2ooo]

Maine-I have a Top Gun Nitrous kit in my 1995 240. It is a single jet wet kit. The reason i went with a wet kit vs a direct port kit, was you can install it yourself. And with a direct port kit you will have to drill/weld your intake manifold. With a wet kit, just one hole in your intake, buy a brass t from home depot for your fuel line, and your pretty much done. I first ran a 50 shot, then 75, then 100. with the 75 shot i was running mid 14's. With the 100 shot mid-high 13's. My only major problem with my car was oil leak, but that is because i didn't replace my crank seal when i did lightwieght crank pulley. But i went through atleats 10 bottles this summer.(valves started tapping a little, but dont know if it was due to nitrous.) I would say go with the 75 and you will be perfect. Car started behaving a little funny when i was spraying 100 shot. I went through 1 bottle at 50 shot, like 2 at 75, and like 7 at 100 shot.

Ps. I am actually trying to sell my nitrous kit, for money towards my front mount my kit consits off.-10 Pound NOS Bottle W/ highflow valve(top gun uses Nos Bottles)-Nos Bottle heater-Nos Bottle mount pressure gauge(blue face)-Nos Bottle blanket-Jet fors 25-50-75 shot. can get jets you want for any size shot.(6 dollars for both. 1 for fuel, 1 for nitrous.)-Bottle brackets-14 foot line(perfect for 240-fuel and nitrous solenoid-short steel braided line froms solenoid to Single jet(Everything needed, is included. Only thing you will need to get is switch from radio shack to turn on and off.)I just bought the kit at the begining of the summer. I got it for 450. The bottle heater was 120, the gauge was 50, and blanket was 35, and the brackets were another 20. For a total cost around 675. I am asking 500 for everything plus shipping. If maine or anyone else is interested let me know. I can take pictures, once i finish getting everything out of my car. I might just through it on ebay.... My sr is getting closer to being done(hopefully) so i will be needing the money to buy my front mount . Email any questions at [email protected], or chat with me on aim at sideways240sx.

[MaineExport]

Thanks bp2000.... I might take you up on that offer. I still want to shop around for my options.... but thank you for your help... and I'll let you know this week if I want to buy it. If you've got pics, email them to me if you've got time. Thanks.

[bp2ooo]

i can send you a pic of bottle, heater, gauge, brackets and blanket if you like. I also have the jet out of the car. I still have to get the solenoids and the line. I can probably get them out on wed. Ill send a pic of what i have later tonight.

[bp2ooo]

Here are pictures of what i have out of the car so far. I still need to get the steel braided lines out, and the solenoids. Let me know if anyone is interested. 500 Plus actual shipping takes it.

[bp2ooo]

Sorry for anyone that doesn't have high speed acess, but i wanted to make sure you could tell what your getting in the pics.

Ps, bottle heater is best investment for nitrous kit. Helps keep the nitrous warm, so you dont have to worry about crappy pressure when its cold outside. The heater works off a thermostat, so it doens't stay on all the time. The heater also helps you get the most nitrous uses out of each fill by keeping the pressure up. Unless your nitrous pressure is around 900 you wont get the full hp gain when you spray....

[JESTER]

Nice set up. If I had teh cash and Maine didn't want it, I would take it off your hands.