Lifter ticking

[66mgb]

On my '92 passenger side bank I have a lifter that is ticking. After about 15 min it goes away.

I flushed with BG last week and it didn't remove the noise. Should I try another application before I pull the valve cover?

What would be the best way to remedy? I want to keep this car going for the long haul.

[Q45tech]

BG Quick Clean for engines?

Without seeing the inside hard to recommend............another applications or a dozen more won't hurt as much as some of the PURGES might.

Try leaving the Quick Clean plus MOA [111] in for a few days [in brand new oil] just don't stress above 5,000 rpm.

6% dilution of good quality oil is nothing but thinner oil.

[superuber]

BG Quick Clean for engines?

Without seeing the inside hard to recommend............another applications or a dozen more won't hurt as much as some of the PURGES might.

Try leaving the Quick Clean plus MOA [111] in for a few days [in brand new oil] just don't stress above 5,000 rpm.

6% dilution of good quality oil is nothing but thinner oil.

How do you feel about marvel mystery oil?I used it and it seemed to work for a noisy lifter.BG vs. MMO?



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[Jesda]

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[pito11213]

I can vouch for the Marvel Oil as I have seen it work on a couple of cars that had a slight smoke to them from the tail pipe.

[jamesmost]

i ran MMO for a 2days and my motor died directly there after

[Q45tech]

It takes something very thin and volatile to penetrate into a gummed up HLA vs an old style US lifter.................the HLA hole is 1/12 the diameter of a US lifter oil feed hole.

Use the correct solvent to solve the individual problem.............thicker non evaporative products are usually a waste for HLA and might damage other things by loosening thick crud................HLA has amber varnish not black tar.

I have a chemical lab full of solvents at home, at least 27 different items each to solve a different problem.........acetone, amyl alcohol, ethanol, methanol, isopropyl alcohol, toluene, xylene, 8 BG products, MMoil ..............

[PopPop]

On my '92 passenger side bank I have a lifter that is ticking. After about 15 min it goes away.

I flushed with BG last week and it didn't remove the noise. Should I try another application before I pull the valve cover?

What would be the best way to remedy? I want to keep this car going for the long haul.

Are you 100% sure it's not an injector #2,4,6,or 8! They will Tick just like lifter.

[66mgb]

Yea - I thought that too, but a bad injector would be constant wouldn't it?

I would surmise that a tick that would go away after 15 min would be a gummed up lifter.

I think I'm going w/ another treatment of Quick Clean and then an appointment w/ the envirolution process. If that dosen't remedy the problem, then I'll think about injectors.

[sijoko]

Get yourself an automotive stethoscope to help identifly the source of the noise. A long screwdriver or ratchet extension can also be used to listen for the source of the noise.

In regards to Marvel Mystery Oil: I have been using it on my 94 Q for the last 4 years along with Mobil 1.

I don't put much of the MMO in, just around a pint. The car has over 230k miles and it sees redline every time I drive it. The key is to use the best oil and change it often. Also, a bit of MMO to keep things clean.

[maxnix]

In regards to Marvel Mystery Oil: I have been using it on my 94 Q for the last 4 years along with Mobil 1.

I don't put much of the MMO in, just around a pint.

Interesting. From my conversations with TexasOil, MMO is so light that most of it would be gone after a few hundred miles, unless I misunderstood. It is good for seal restoration also according to him.

[elwesso]

Unless he uses it right before an oil change.

[Q45tech]

"It is good for seal restoration also according to him."

Unfortunately the front and rear main seals are VITON which cannot be restored..............imprevious to any hydrocarbon.

Again you must exactly match the solvent to the problem to be corrected, not use a generic one fits all, used as a lubricant for shop air tools [MM formula].

[maxnix]

"It is good for seal restoration also according to him."

Unfortunately the front and rear main seals are VITON which cannot be restored..............imprevious to any hydrocarbon.

His reference was specific to the seals and O-rings in the power steering rack.

[texasoil]

Marvel Mystery Oil is a light aromatic petroleum oil (about a Zero weight) and will not evaporate from the crankcase unless temps get over 260F or so.

It is a good gentle solvent for varnishes and gum and is effective at gently softening/swelling dried out elastomer seals. VITON is one such generic seal material that will swell as much as 20% if immersed in pure MMO at 200F. Teflon is not eafected at all. Some formulations of Kalrez are nearly unaffected.

There are many DIFFERENT varieties of VITON and KALREZ (and 'teflon') .ALL elastomeric seals are formed from polymers that are compounded (mixed) with various antioxidants, process oils, fillers, and stabilizers.

One of the most common 'hardening' causes is loss of process oils to the sealed fluid--which can be reversed with MMO or other more agressive 'seal conditioners'. The other cause is continuing polymerization and oxidation of the polymer. This cannot be un-done, and is the main cause for seals to crack. Once the very lip of the seal hardened due to oxidation, cracking is almost certain to happen, with increasing leakage as the crack grows. This hard edge will cause wear on the shaft being sealed, and a new seal will often quickly fail unless this wear is polished out or the new seal positioned so it does not run on the worn surface.

[goody90q45]

Could my past use of MMO in the fuel tank be causing the viton fuel injector lower o-rings to swell and unseat"? I've had the o-ring leak on 3 injectors so far and am a little concerned about fuel additives.

[Q45tech]

To my knowlege the injector rings are not viton only front and rear main and the valve stem seals.

MMO in fuel not something I would do! But not nearly as bad as some of the fuel system cleaners on the retail shelf at national chains.

The only things I've ever added to fuel are isopropyl alcohol, Techron, and BG44K*........however who knows what the 300 + chemicals have been in gasoline over the past 16 years.

I've done 4 pressure rail flushes with BG Fuel Rail cleaner and I have splash blended a few odds and ends [drippings from some other BG product cans in small amounts]............but then again I sometime use strange things in the oil for a short light load time.

[goody90q45]

To my knowlege the injector rings are not viton only front and rear main and the valve stem seals.

The only things I've ever added to fuel are isopropyl alcohol, Techron, and BG44K*........however who knows what the 300 + chemicals have been in gasoline over the past 16 years.

I remember reading that the injector o-rings are Buna-n. I used MMO in the fuel during the few months that BG44K wasn't available through Joe and I'm thinking it was the cause of my injector o-ring problems and missing pintle caps. Worked great in the oil though. Add a pint, drive for a day and change the oil and filter.

I've spent about 10 years of my career in chemical plant operation and rebuilding valves for rocket engines and I know first hand that the wrong chemical (acetone) with the wrong o-rings and seals (rubber/neoprene?) can swell or melt everything rubber in the system. Wouldn't it be nice to replace every seal and o-ring with Kalrez and Viton. I agree with you that even though the instructions on the bottle said to add to the fuel it was probably not the best choice.

BTW- I wonder what using acetone as an additive is doing to the fuel system.

[Jeff Williams]

Mike, that is a great shot of your Q in your signature!

i just put gas in the gas tank, oil in the oil pan, and piss in all the other reservoirs when they get low.

[Q45denver]

Have been using Acetone for two years without problem. At low concentration (2 oz per ten gallons) I'd doubt there is any effect on seals.

[66mgb]

Flushed engine per directions w/ another can of BG Qwick Clean and changed oil/filter.

HLA noise has gone away for now. I'm glad you guys turned me on to that stuff. My Q is running better than ever!

[goody90q45]

[QUOTE=Jeff Williams]Mike, that is a great shot of your Q in your signature! QUOTE]

Thanks. It was a fun drive to get there (50 miles of mountain roads) and I caught my limit of trout that day.

[TAI CHI MASTER]

I would think that environment and whats added to the fuel at local gas stations would make each persons car run different. I know that each time a race is run at the Indy they flush and add something of a different grade.Just like my car run totally different when near the sea for a few days and near a dry location.

[TAI CHI MASTER]

I would think that environment and whats added to the fuel at local gas stations would make each persons car run different. I know that each time a race is run at the Indy they flush and add something of a different grade.Just like my car run totally different when near the sea for a few days and near a dry location. I do not know about how urine would work, is that like an gas booster.