Libya, Condemnation, Mitt Romney, and Diplomacy

[stebo0728]

Lets not forget, he claimed he was "uniquely qualified" to handle mideast tensions, that unique qualification isnt working out so well.

And another thing, who gets credit for the moon landing, historically? Kennedy right? Even though it occured on Nixon's watch? Why doesn't Nixon get the credit? It was Kennedy's program and plans thats why. The Osama takedown was Bush's plan, a plan that Obama followed through with no doubt, but historically who will get that credit? I understand in a campaign you take all the credit you can get for re-election, and I don't blame them for taking the Osama credit to make his record look better. But who will get that credit, historically?

[WDRacing]

History will show one thing clearly, Obama, first failed black president.

[themadscientist]

Not sure why that last bit is relevant to anything.

[stebo0728]

Its not, irrelevance is irrelavant

[WDRacing]

Stebo was talking about history...hence my history comment. It's not racist for crying out loud. IMHO he's a total failure, you argure otherwise Mike?

His failed foriegn policy has everything to do with this thread.

The world would be a better place today had Obama lost the first time around.

[themadscientist]

Did I say it was racist? I said nothing of the kind. I merely question its relevance. Not a total failure? Again, where did I say anything like that? You are getting awfully riled up by a simple question. It's curious and suggests that perhaps, while possibly not intending it at the time you wrote it, you now think it comes off a bit racist. For the record, NOW I am saying it. That was racist as hell and it's unnecessary.

As far as historical significance of the Obama presidency, I think Jimmy Carter could be looking at being knocked out of the top spot for worst president in history.

[WDRacing]

I didn't mean to insinuate that you were calling my comment racist. I'm just used to the race card being tossed out at the first mention of color. I was trying to wonder, via text, why you thought my comment wasn't relevant to the on going conversation Stebo and I were having. If we were in person, it wouldn't be going this way.

How is calling Obama the first failed black president racist as hell? He's the first black president, he's also a failure. Those 2 things are fact. Had I said the N word or something maybe, but I didn't.

How is what I said unnecessary? For one thing, his race was a main driver that got him elected in the first place. That makes it relevant to any conversation he's part of. It's because of his race that he thought the Muslim community would relate to the USA all of the sudden and we would all have a big group hug. Which is how it pertains to the ongoing topic of the goat f*** we're now dealing with in the middle east.

I am an equal opportunity hater. ANYWAY, sorry for the appearance of hostility, I do tend to get uppity in the morning.

[IBCoupe]

And another thing, who gets credit for the moon landing, historically? Kennedy right? Even though it occured on Nixon's watch? Why doesn't Nixon get the credit? It was Kennedy's program and plans thats why. The Osama takedown was Bush's plan, a plan that Obama followed through with no doubt, but historically who will get that credit? I understand in a campaign you take all the credit you can get for re-election, and I don't blame them for taking the Osama credit to make his record look better. But who will get that credit, historically?

I'm gonna need a really good citation on this one, Stebo. Candidate Obama caught flak for suggesting that we should be launching attacks into Pakistan (by Governor Romney himself, and by others, even right here on these boards), and President Obama continued to catch flak. I don't remember anyone actually talking about President Bush's incursions into Pakistan.

You don't get to claim credit because you once thought, "Golly gee, it might be a good idea to go do that." President Obama initiated the policy decision that got us into Pakistan, which resulted in the killing of Osama bin Laden. President Bush probably really wanted to kill Osama bin Laden, but I see nothing to indicate that he planned to go out of his way to get the guy. As far as I can tell, President Bush saw it as not a big priority. Maybe he was right - maybe it wasn't a huge priority, or shouldn't have been. Still, you can't credit him now because he started the War in Afghanistan.

I understand that it's super inconvenient for Republicans that President Obama made the decisions that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden, but that doesn't mean you get to rewrite history. I'll ask you the same thing I asked before: had the thing been botched, who would have received the blame, "historically?"

[IBCoupe]

...that Obama's administration had knowledge and warning of (not Obama himself since he doesn't bother to make intelligence meetings).

Citation needed x 3.

[WDRacing]

Golly gee

I'll give credit where it's due, even if I hate him, happened on his watch.

[themadscientist]

I didn't mean to insinuate that you were calling my comment racist. I'm just used to the race card being tossed out at the first mention of color. I was trying to wonder, via text, why you thought my comment wasn't relevant to the on going conversation Stebo and I were having. If we were in person, it wouldn't be going this way.

How is calling Obama the first failed black president racist as hell? He's the first black president, he's also a failure. Those 2 things are fact. Had I said the N word or something maybe, but I didn't.

How is what I said unnecessary? For one thing, his race was a main driver that got him elected in the first place. That makes it relevant to any conversation he's part of.

And I agree. It was a part of his campaign, but just because a component of the other side chooses to focus on it doesn't mean it's any less silly when it's thrown back in their faces. He's bad, that's all that's relevant. Race is a useless anecdote.

I am an equal opportunity hater. ANYWAY, sorry for the appearance of hostility, I do tend to get uppity in the morning.

We go back years, I know you; it's all good. I like your uppitality.

[carloslebaron]

I cannot forget this moment about president Bush because he said it clearly and without any doubt...a reporter asked him about catching Osama Bin Laden, and president Bush answered him that such task was no needed -with the meaning of not needed anymore-.

So, historically, president Bush has no credit about persecuting, prosecuting, checking the whereabouts, trying to find, being noisy, etc etc about the location of Osama Bin Laden.

I remember about president Bush even smiling when he responded that he didn't care about the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden. To me, such answer was very honest from his part, because his family IS very friendly with the Saudi Arabia king's family, and I guess that because this reason, he didn't want to be the one persecuting Osama Bin Laden.

Even in those days, it was a news release that the US army did catch Osama and released him, and that this incident happened more than once. The source appears to be a leak and because that, the news didn't pass from being accepted but as a rumor only.

It is understood that the same king of Saudi Arabia rejected Osama Bin Laden as a member of his family after Osama turned himself against the US, still the Bush family as "buddies" of the royal family won't like to be involved in the killing of one member of the king's family...such could create conflict of interests...not between nations but between private business...

Apparently president Obama doesn't own oil company shares with Saudi Arabia's oil, so under his administration the persecution of Osama was a task without interferences of any kind.

I don't like president Obama at all, I don't want him to be re-elected, but Osama Bin Laden was killed in his administration, so president Obama can get the credit for it.

[WDRacing]

So you're saying Bush is responsible for releasing Obama because he has oil interests and his "friends"? Step away from the crack pipe dude.

[themadscientist]

Follow the money. Did you mean to say "Osama?"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos[/youtube]

[carloslebaron]

Perhaps one of the best answers about Osama Bin Laden whereabouts before his death lies here

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/blogs/view/81516444/

And, please have fun with the video when president Bush said that capturing Osama Bin Laden wasn't top priority...

http://newsbuster.com/Pages/content/osa ... years.html