Let's guess what Obama may do immediately when taking office

[audtatious]

AUD - Your judging a politician for 'flip-flopping' during a presidential race. Havnt they ALL done that? Hes not a politician anymore, hes a President of the United States of America. Your judgments on him as a politician are all fair game, but you have no idea how hes going to act and be as a president. The truth is, no one really knows. If you open your mind to the possibility that he will be a good president, your criticisms of him(if you have any.. ) will be much more discussable.

For once I agree with you. I'm complaining about what is coming out from his campaign concerning what he plans on doing when coming into office. I'm not saying it's all bad because that would not be the case but what I'm hearing is worrysome when looking at the "big picture" for myself and my family. At least if my job goes to hell we can live off my wifes salary as an RN (who will always be needed) but that is FAR from what I want to see happen because at that point we are done as a nation.

[heliochrome85]

I have no problem with him getting the prisoners out of Gitmo as long as he does not automagically make them US citizens and cater to them as punishment. Send them back to the country they came from.Thx

my understanding is that a fair number of those in gitmo are there because rival tribal leaders in afghanistan ratted them out to the troops with no actual basis for their claims. that being said, i agree, back to the shizz you came from. im all for tightening the borders and making sure that the people here follow the rules and live by the law. that being said, there is a large number of jobs here in the US that its citizenry refuses to do and can only be filled by migrant workers. thats a tangent for another thread though.

[heliochrome85]

Are you trolling or what?

Since I share many of the same views as Matt does I'll try to answer you.

Yes, he could change my opinion of him if he changes is politics and dumps all of his terrorists buddies. I could maybe live with his Politics but his associations with terrorists and Anti American Pastors etc. leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

calling me a troll.... HA. thats actually never happened before. congrats on being so incredibly wrong. yet again.

associations with terrorists? anti-american pastors? sounds to me like someones been drinking a bit of the Palin-ade.

its a legitimate question. neither of those things are things that he could do sufficiently for you to like him or even treat him with the respect he deserves as our president.

[OriginalWheelman]

my question for you, is that is there anything that he could do to make you change your opinion of him?

He's got 4 years to convince me to vote for him.

[audtatious]

my understanding is that a fair number of those in gitmo are there because rival tribal leaders in afghanistan ratted them out to the troops with no actual basis for their claims. that being said, i agree, back to the shizz you came from. im all for tightening the borders and making sure that the people here follow the rules and live by the law. that being said, there is a large number of jobs here in the US that its citizenry refuses to do and can only be filled by migrant workers. thats a tangent for another thread though.

We are screwed anyway as a Judge ruled that we can't send them back to their countries if there is any chance they may be harmed or killed by their Gov. That means we either find another country who will take them (fat chance) or we keep them where they are or we release them in the US.

I'm not against a properly enforced guest worker program. Of course, some of those jobs should be done via those on welfare as discussed in another thread. No more "sitting on your butt living off the Gov".

[audtatious]

associations with terrorists? anti-american pastors? sounds to me like someones been drinking a bit of the Palin-ade.

Come on, stop turning a blind eye. The above is true, the question is whether it has impacted him growing up and if it will effect his Presidency. For a large number of people, only time will tell.

[HashiriyaS14]

The hilarity of BHO is that even BHO has no idea who or what BHO is. He is an ever-changing enigma.

And yet for some reason this viewpoint appeals to me.

It comes across (to me) as post-ideological, as if he doesn't feel like he owes anyone a tidy ideological summary of his positions that can be applied in kind to any situation with predictable results.

Ideological discipline is ruin, always. I'm not sure if HE is really post-ideological or just an opportunist, that's yet to be seen, but the former would be a breath of fresh air, IMO.

[audtatious]

Time will tell. Looks like the Dems are working directly to support Global Warming initiatives, more unsupervised bailouts, more supervision of retirement accounts via "grab and bag" methodology, pressing forth to file charges against the Bush Admin (so I hear), etc etc etc.

If they can simply swing the GA election then they can have their 60 seats and the Republicans can go home for 2 years and give them everything the Dem party has ever wanted.

[dusred]

calling me a troll.... HA. thats actually never happened before. congrats on being so incredibly wrong. yet again.

Congrats. Your troll virginity has now been broken .

Quote »associations with terrorists? anti-american pastors? sounds to me like someones been drinking a bit of the Palin-ade.[/quote]They are undisputed facts. He did indeed go to a church with an anti American pastor for 20 years. He did also launch his Camp. in the house of a known terrorlst.

Palin-ade is much better then Obama-ade just FYI.

Quote »its a legitimate question. neither of those things are things that he could do sufficiently for you to like him or even treat him with the respect he deserves as our president. [/quote]I understand. Palin's daughter being pregnant and her husband having a DUI 20 years ago doesn't make me dis-like her either.

[heliochrome85]

i dont take lightly the charge of terrorlst. you havent had bricks thrown through your windows like i have. dont be an idiot and use it liberally. it does not apply to every situation. that being said, Bill Ayers is no longer a terrorlst. if he was, would he be a distinguished professor at a major institution? I don't see Univesity of Chicago, or Harvard desperately pursuing Bin Laden to offer him a tenured position. I guess because someone had a shady past, means he is damned for eternity regardless of the good works they have done as part of a reformation.

KID, keep listening to FoxNews. If this is what educated discourse looks like these days, im glad im out of the US schools system for good.

Learn and judge for yourself. Don't just repeat what Matt Drudge posts on his website.

the election is over. i guess this is just going to be the beginning of 4 years of "anti-american"-charges against B.O..

also, when you go back to 2004 and listen to the Kerry consolation speech, you dont hear anyone boo-ing. Fast forward to 2008, and McCain had to quiet the crowd because they were booing and jeering. Hardly the respective silence one would and should expect from a losing party. The fact of the matter is that whether you like it or not, he is your president. You can either join the push to make the country better, or you can sit on the side crying sour grapes. Maybe through positive work, the GOP can come back to the ideals set forth by Goldwater of small government, Limited if any regulation, etc. the GOP of 2008 is nothing like the GOP of 1964.

lastly, im most definately not a troll. ask anyone around here.

[dusred]

i dont take lightly the charge of terrorlst.

And nor do I. There is a fine line between someone who is a terrorlst and someone who is not. Bill Ayres has crossed that line.

Quote » you havent had bricks thrown through your windows like i have.[/quote]How do you know?

Quote »Bill Ayers is no longer a terrorlst. [/quote]Are you fricking kidding me? If someone is a murderer they are a murder. The deed is done and there is no going back and the same with sex offenders. To say someone is "No longer a murder" or "No linger a terrorlst" is the same in my mind. Once the line is crossed it is crossed.

Quote »I guess because someone had a shady past, means he is damned for eternity regardless of the good works they have done as part of a reformation. [/quote]In response to that I'll use the murder analogy again. If someone has murdered another human being it is going to be on their record for the rest of their lives and it is going to stick with them wherever they go. Once someone has murdered they are damned for eternity (or at least time ) as far as I'm concerned. I don't want them living in my neighborhood and I'm sure you wouldn't want them living in yours and the same goes for a terrorlst.

Quote »KID, keep listening to FoxNews. If this is what educated discourse looks like these days, im glad im out of the US schools system for good.[/quote]That comment tells me a lot about you. First off the "KID" part tells me that you expect me to bow down to you since you are older but don't count on it.I know it doesn't really matter but I actually don't listen to Fox news, in fact the last time I was on there was the night Obama won and that was to watch his winning speech and before that? I don't even remember the last time after that. As a general rule I stay away from most the major news sites and use Google News as it has a more broad view of whats really going on.

Oh, and thanks for attacking my schooling. I'll have you know that I was schooled in a very reputable private school. Oh and BTW I'll be the first to admit that the American Public school system is complete garbage.

Quote »Learn and judge for yourself. Don't just repeat what Matt Drudge posts on his website.[/quote]So let me get this strait. Because I don't agree with you that means that I'm not judging for myself? WRONG! . I'm not a McCain yes man by any means, in fact I don't agree with him in several matters mainly the war and that is somewhere I do agree with Obama.

Who the Hell is Matt Drudge? Srsly, I've never heard the name before.

Quote »the election is over. i guess this is just going to be the beginning of 4 years of "anti-american"-charges against B.O..[/quote]America is already Anti America from what it was originally designed to be. Obama is just the last straw on the camels back.

Quote »also, when you go back to 2004 and listen to the Kerry consolation speech, you dont hear anyone boo-ing. Fast forward to 2008, and McCain had to quiet the crowd because they were booing and jeering. Hardly the respective silence one would and should expect from a losing party.[/quote]2004 and 2008 elections were totally different. Way more people were active in the 2008 election then the 2004 and it was a much more tense election then 2004. I don't think the 2 should be compared.

Quote » The fact of the matter is that whether you like it or not, he is your president. You can either join the push to make the country better, or you can sit on the side crying sour grapes.[/quote]You are right. He is our President and I have already congratulated the Liberal's for their Victory. The problem is that I don't think that the country is going to get better because he's the President. That's why I can't push it to make it better at this point. My view is do all you can to prevent the damage that is on it's way here. Am I crying sour grapes? I wish things could have been different but that's all. The public has spoken and I respect their Choice of Barack Obama though I may not agree with them.

Quote » Maybe through positive work, the GOP can come back to the ideals set forth by Goldwater of small government, Limited if any regulation, etc. the GOP of 2008 is nothing like the GOP of 1964.[/quote]I'm not quite sure what you're getting at there. Mind expanding?

Quote »lastly, im most definately not a troll. ask anyone around here. [/quote]Okay maybe you're not but to ask Matt what BO would have to do to change his opinion of BO seems to me like something a troll would say. We all know Matt's views on BO.

[480sx]

They are undisputed facts.

Lol, at least use an adjective that leaves you with a LITTLE wiggle room, you just double effed yourself. Undisputed? I mean, seriously.. Those 'facts' were some of the most disputed parts of the election race.

[heliochrome85]

America is already Anti America from what it was originally designed to be. Obama is just the last straw on the camels back.

care to elaborate?

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at there. Mind expanding?

my point is that rather than sitting back and complaining about the outcome, if you are so energized, why not help out in the community, try to work for those candidates that follow your values and beliefs and bring the GOP to what it used to be, not what it is today. Thats why Obama won, because he was able to mobilize millions to bring energy to the democratic party that had not been seen since 1992 with clinton, or 1960 with JFK. ( Am I right audi? AZ? SZ?) Literally every pundit has said that the GOP needs to reevaluate the direction of the party before it can expect to take power again.

Okay maybe you're not but to ask Matt what BO would have to do to change his opinion of BO seems to me like something a troll would say. We all know Matt's views on BO.

i would like to think that my opinion on here is as valued as yours. the point behind my question was not a deflection as that since the thread, like most other threads, had degenerated into a barack obama bashing thread, the logical question is that if you dont like him so much, and are willing to "give him a chance to mess up" then what would it take for you to admit that you were wrong, not that that day is guaranteed to come. We sit at the threshold to a new era of american politics. how on earth can you gauge what is going to come of it?

[heliochrome85]

'thanks. exactly. mccain lost because people were turned off by Palin's "Palling around with terrorlst" comments, their charges of Unamerican behavior, and the sheer negativity surrounding his campaign. I would have voted for McCain in 2000. The McCain of 2008 no longer resembles the man of 8 years prior.

[audtatious]

Whereas the Obama of today is looking just like the Obama Community Activist of yesterday.

[heliochrome85]

oh matt, one of these days, ill find a way to convince you to join the dark side. us LIBERALS are the popular kids these days. Dont you want to be cool too?

[audtatious]

I know a lot of liberals and don't have a problem with them. We just don't talk politics

[hsckris]

oh matt, one of these days, ill find a way to convince you to join the dark side. us LIBERALS are the popular kids these days. Dont you want to be cool too?

threadjackThis mentality actually exists -- and it is scary. I'm older than you, and even when I was in school there was a fair amount of people my own age who were liberal only b/c of the influence of media, teachers, etc. SOme of them carried that on into adulthood. I think its quite sad when people fail or refuse to think for themselves./threadjack

[heliochrome85]

very true, and that applies to both sides of the aisle. there are alot of republicans who are republicans because their daddy was one. my parents were republicans. i am clearly not. not in its current form atleast.

[audtatious]

One of these days, when you grow up, you will realize your parents were right

[hsckris]

very true, and that applies to both sides of the aisle. there are alot of republicans who are republicans because their daddy was one. my parents were republicans. i am clearly not. not in its current form atleast.

You know what though, I'll gladly take influence of a good parent over influence of sub-par (generally) teachers and ridiculously biased media. If anyone should be an influence on a child, it is the parents.

[heliochrome85]

im sure you see the world that way too.

[hsckris]

im sure you see the world that way too.

?

[heliochrome85]

You know what though, I'll gladly take influence of a good parent over influence of sub-par (generally) teachers and ridiculously biased media. If anyone should be an influence on a child, it is the parents.

because good parents are never bigoted. and mimicing verbatim the parent's behavior and political view "sub-par teachers and ridiciulously biased media." think about it.

[hsckris]

I'd still prefer a parent to influence a child (as opposed to sources like educators, media, culture, celebs, etc.). It is only natural -- regardless of whether I agree with the parent's views or not.