Kids these days are soft...

[Chaotic_Warlord]

How many of you guys got your mouths washed out with soap when you were kids? I did, not once, but twice, the first time was my fault, the second time was not (I got blamed for dropping the F bomb when I really didn't). I'm 34 and to this day I still don't really curse in front of or around my mom. As far as the belt goes, my mom was the disciplinarian and the more you squirmed the harder she would hit and she didn't care where it hit, as she would tell us, if you squirm or try to get away from it you deserve any belt strikes on the thighs or back. The last time I was beat was when I was 12 or 13, but you're never to old to get a backhand or pimp slap from your other.

[themadscientist]

Look out for the shoe!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC0XN648KR4[/youtube]

[LongBeachCoupe]

It wasn't her method of punishment that was stupid... it was the fact that she allowed it to be videotaped.

So saying you wont hire someone because they are deaf isnt ok, but just saying they arent a "good fit" because of it is?

If you are afraid of someone seeing what you are doing, thats your first indicator in it being the wrong thing...(dont you wish you could see me now lol)

IMO its easy to see how you can make a kid compliant by raising your hands to them... by the same token, thats the kid that learns how problems get solved.. by raising their hands... To smaller kids and anyone subordinate to them at the moment.

Bullying is a big issue being addressed in schools today... I think it is a perfect example... how can you expect little ricky to "talk out" his problems when mikey takes his ball...

Dad taught him how... talking doesnt work... physically (or verbally for that matter) abusing someone into compliance... thats the way to solve problems!

(and yes im the blue jewish liberal you red child beaters are talking about) lol

Ive beat people into compliance, and ive been beaten into compliance, when my parents werent around...
Unless you are man enough to beat a woman into compliance (put your shaft in a blender if you do) why would you hit a child?
Hell id rather hit someone elses kid, not mine!

[Eikon]

It wasn't her method of punishment that was stupid... it was the fact that she allowed it to be videotaped.

So saying you wont hire someone because they are deaf isnt ok, but just saying they arent a "good fit" because of it is?

If you are afraid of someone seeing what you are doing, thats your first indicator in it being the wrong thing...(dont you wish you could see me now lol)

IMO its easy to see how you can make a kid compliant by raising your hands to them... by the same token, thats the kid that learns how problems get solved.. by raising their hands... To smaller kids and anyone subordinate to them at the moment.

Bullying is a big issue being addressed in schools today... I think it is a perfect example... how can you expect little ricky to "talk out" his problems when mikey takes his ball...

Dad taught him how... talking doesnt work... physically (or verbally for that matter) abusing someone into compliance... thats the way to solve problems!

(and yes im the blue jewish liberal you red child beaters are talking about) lol

Ive beat people into compliance, and ive been beaten into compliance, when my parents werent around...
Unless you are man enough to beat a woman into compliance (put your shaft in a blender if you do) why would you hit a child?
Hell id rather hit someone elses kid, not mine!

Huh? You lost me

[themadscientist]

Good points. There are ways to obtain compliance without violence.
I have too much of a violent undercurrent to ever raise my hands to my child should I have one; I would not be able to stop if I wound up and smacked them. I am well versed in power and manipulation, though, and if the kid expects to have a childhood with any amenities, freedoms or privileges, they had better do as they are told. Their reward will be a parent who will always treat them with respect that they will have rightly earned, will never lie to them or hold them to a higher standard than he holds himself, and will always have their back.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Saying that what she did wasnt wrong, but that she allowed it to be videotaped is wrong is a backwards comment....
What they do in prison to inmates is ok, just as long as no one reports it to anyone on the outside?
What happens in communist countries is OK just as long as its not posted on facebook?

Everything is moving tward accountability, and if you feel funny doing something its probably because you shouldnt be doing it (i get this feeling a lot lol)

You are your kids boss, not because they choose you to be, but sheer size makes you the dominant figure....
Exerting your force as the dominant party to force compliance out of a subordinate (someone smaller than you, or your kid) teaches them that if theres a problem, i can do it the way daddy does, i give someone a beating, and then they roll over into compliance...

Many times its the bully at school who is the one who gets it the worst from his parents, and as a result he doesnt know any better... leading to that kid picking on or bullying on a smaller kid (because thats the only people you can physically force compliance out of).... which leads to a variety of issues for the kids who are bullied(suicide being one of them!)

My parents spoke to me like an adult, and removed luxuries from me instead of whipping me...

Everyone posting on this thread it seems like was at the tail end of a belt at some point... did this teach you how to problem solve, or work out differences, or explain yourself and grow as a person?

Good points. There are ways to obtain compliance without violence.
I have too much of a violent undercurrent to ever raise my hands to my child should I have one; I would not be able to stop if I wound up and smacked them. I am well versed in power and manipulation, though, and if the kid expects to have a childhood with any amenities, freedoms or privileges, they had better do as they are told. Their reward will be a parent who will always treat them with respect that they will have rightly earned, will never lie to them or hold them to a higher standard than he holds himself, and will always have their back.

Well said scientist... i mean id almost call you a failure of a human being if you cant beat compliance out of someone less than half your size!
Think about how stupid kids are, a friggin happy meal? Seriously?

I would be disappointed in myself as a salesman and a person with a brain if I couldnt get my way out of someone whose decisions are affected by ice cream, TV and toys.
We arent talking about hardened terrorists here, i mean a 6 yr old who loves spiderman? I need to beat him to get him to comply? Seriously?

[AZhitman]

My Dad never raised a hand to me. My Mom handed out the whuppins (of course, she was home).

Punishment, to be effective, needs to have 3 components: Swift, Sure, and Severe. Keep in mind, "severe" means fitting the "crime". It needs to be immediate, and there needs to be NO question as to whether it will or won't happen - because then it's called "gamb|ing".

I've swatted my kids' backsides. I've only had to resort to the belt ONCE and it was well-deserved. I'm a brilliant problem-solver, I get along just fine with others, and it sure as hell didn't make me (or my kids) bullies.

Your folks may have had their ways, but that doesn't make them any more "right" than the ones who handed out whuppins.

[dre1507]

kids today get away with so much more than the little bit that we got the belt for when we were younger.

Physical discipline is not a substitute for good parenting, but i believe in some cases it can be a very effective supplement (if the parent(s) has allowed the child(ren)'s bad behaviors to go that far).....That aside, the major problem between parents and kids today is that when they issue moderate level punishment such as grounding/no t.v./no internet access/no computer time in general, is that the punishment usually lasts a lot less than the time they proposed. Stop telling your children that they're grounded for a month and by week two, you allow them to go to billy bob's party just because they've behaved themselves ever since the incident that lead to the punishment.

The most important thing about discipline is showing your children you mean business when you issue it.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

There is a difference between "punishment" and "discipline."

That video is just punishment. The kid is SIX years old, I personally think it's a little excessive and could have been handled differently. It wasn't "abuse" per say, but the way it was administered was completely unjustified in my opinion. Techniques like that will only be passed on to that kid's children if the mother is like that all the time. If the mother is like this on VIDEO, imagine how she is when there aren't any cameras. The fact that she actually sent this video to DR. PHIL is completely absurd. Really? Dr. Phil? How could not not expect it to be extremely controversial??? I saw the clip of when it was showed on his show and everyone was outraged. I guess the local police were getting involved and she was being investigated for child abuse.

Parents shouldn't be feared, they should be respected. Discipline and punishment should be used, but not to the point that it evokes permanent fear of the parent/guardian. That is just wrong and is not the right way to treat and teach someone. The way you are raised usually will carry over to how you raise your own children. Obviously the whole subject a gray area and everyone is different. There's no right way, but there certainly is a wrong way imo.

Fun Fact: The sister of that boy was the one filming. She was/is 9 IIRC. Just thought that was interesting.

Myself, I've never been abused, but I've certainly been smaked around a little when I was really young, by my mom of course. But looking back, it was totally justified. I was a handful. I've turned out alright I guess, eh?

[LongBeachCoupe]

That aside, the major problem between parents and kids today is that when they issue moderate level punishment such as grounding/no t.v./no internet access/no computer time in general, is that the punishment usually lasts a lot less than the time they proposed. Stop telling your children that they're grounded for a month and by week two, you allow them to go to billy bob's party just because they've behaved themselves ever since the incident that lead to the punishment.

The most important thing about discipline is showing your children you mean business when you issue it.

Like greg said, swift, sure and severe... I am with you... the strength of discipline is where its at and the time/effort required isnt possible sometimes, but people, especially a CHILD can be easily influenced and "pwnd" by any adult... Thats how kids get into a van with a stranger...

Before I hit the kid, id destroy a pokemon collection, see what happens to the new nintendo DS when its put in the bathtub... Those things mean a lot more to kids than a physical beating that is over in a minute or so...

Many of you should know this, because you got hit on a regular basis, WHY???
Because you kept doing the same things that got you hit in the first place!

If physical beatings yielded results, shouldnt you only have to hit your kid once?

She had a 9yr old girl videotaping it? Thats the type of girl who grows up to seek out Nala and marry him, to manipulate and abuse others~

I guess if you arent in "sales" or a "learn'd" (lol) it may be difficult to convince a toddler to comply...

What a great topic for general!

BTW props to momma childs, for raising her hands to a 14yr old... you wanna raise your hands to someone, they should atleast have a fighting chance to defend themselves.. if you want to hit your teenagers, go ahead lol... what I think is messed up is that people will knock their 8 yr old around for some BS, but they wont toss their 17 yr old a beating who drove home drunk.

[themadscientist]

I know I need a spanking. My wife doesn't believe in it though so I get sent to the corner instead.

[dre1507]

lol MAD.

longbeach: the point i was trying to make about time span, is if you know you're not gonna ground your kid for a month, then don't tell them that. it doesn't seem like much, but they'll definitely look at that as you not meaning what you say. And you absolutely do not want that as a parent. That's a possibility for disrespect to begin.

[Razi]

Kids these days are soft

Giggity

[LongBeachCoupe]

lol MAD.

longbeach: the point i was trying to make about time span, is if you know you're not gonna ground your kid for a month, then don't tell them that. it doesn't seem like much, but they'll definitely look at that as you not meaning what you say. And you absolutely do not want that as a parent. That's a possibility for disrespect to begin.

I couldnt agree more dude, i totally understand the value of keeping your word!

[Eikon]

Let me re-explain my comment about her mistake being taping the incident... I have a big problem with people in our country thinking they can stick their nose into other people's family. I'll admit that there is a gray area between very strict punishment and child abuse and sometimes that needs to be investigated. I will also admit that many many parents are a complete nightmare and should have their children removed for the kids safety. BUT, there are a lot of times when nosy strangers get into things they shouldn't. The debate about spanking a child is the perfect example. Some parents (historically and even today) used belts to spank their kids. Some parents do it with their hands. You could do a survey and ask people their opinion and get a completely varied set of answers. Many families and societies use spanking as the norm. They would be shocked if someone said they were abusing their kids. Then there are those people who consider spanking to be child abuse. They are shocked that anyone could even think about raising a hand to their child. The problems come up with you discipline your child in public. I have no problem with spanking my children if their behavior warrants it. But I would never do it in public because some other person might have the polar opposite opinion and go off half cocked and try to report me to the authorities.

SO.. I repeat my statement.. Her mistake was videotaping and sharing the event with the public. That was the stupid thing that she did. I don't think her method of punishment is the best, but I don't consider it to be child abuse. I wouldn't punish my child with hotsauce or an icy shower, but I don't have a problem with corporal punishment. If one of my boys ever swears at me.. there is a pretty fair chance he'll get soap in the mouth as a punishment. I don't see hot sauce as being much different... though I think a child would consider it to be painful and I'd rather use soap because it's gross tasting. She explained to him what his offense was, explained that he had been warned in the past, so he knew better. He also knew what the punishment was ahead of time so it was no surprise to him. I do not consider her punishment to be child abuse. If she struck him in the head, pushed him around, or beat him.. that would be child abuse.

Someone said the kid was three years old?? NO.. he was at school.. so he was like 6.

[Chaotic_Warlord]

Let me just say this, parents for a millennium have been handing out a** whupppings and disciplining there children through both physical and mental ways. Hell it's written in practically every religious scripture in the world. Don't get me wrong I'm as anti-religion as it gets, sure there's a god (or greater being) but that's where I draw the line. Having said that, let it be known that I'm not advocating poor parenting or the use of excessive force. I'm advocating the parenting values and discipline/punishment that our grand parents and every previous generation had. The problem with this country is that thanks to the Hippie and liberal revolution of the 60's and 70's, we as a country have lost focus of our core values and proper parenting. Throw kids having kids into the mix and you have a recipe for what we have today, a population of kids and twenty something adults who are disrespectful and thugs.

My mom was the disciplinarian in my family, hell I still won't cross her and I'm almost a foot taller and a good 125 lbs heavier than her. My stepfather only spanked me once, and I deserved it, the wrath I got from my mom when she got home made his spanking insignificant. My stepfather used mental discipline ("Son, your mother and I are so disappointed in you") and my mom used physical punishment and handed out the groundings. I wasn't punished for doing the same thing twice, and if I was than it was my own stupid fault. I'm as well rounded as it gets, yeah I have my issues, but those are courtesy of the kids I went to school with (was teased a lot), having to enduring a very nasty divorce between my mom and my alcoholic stepfather, and never really having a father figure (my mom was my father figure).

These kids today get away with murder (in some cases, quite literally). I would love for the liberals and hippies to go fall in a well and the parental values of the 40's and 50's were to make a come back. Think about it this way, would you rather instill fear into our children and have them know that they will get punished and as such be disciplined and respectful ,which in effect would lead to lower crime rates. Or would you rather continue on the whole half hearted discipline trend and you as a parent living in fear that any form of punishment or disciplining of your child could (and in some cases would) lead to your arrest for child abuse, which in effect would lead to this country going more into the s***, crime continuing to rise, and more rampant population growth because of kids having kids. Sure there is a middle ground, but it's that middle ground that led us down the slippery slope we are on now.

Again I'm far from religious but: http://www.tldm.org/news6/child.discipline.htm

Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child...

"I wish that all fathers of households stand forth and practice their role. They will use the rod and not permit their children to go astray. Firmness is needed in your world that is filled with laxity, permissiveness, and degradation.
"Your children have been misled by many who shall answer to the Father. As teachers they have failed in their role. Therefore, as parents you must succeed in yours." - St. Joseph, March 18, 1973

The Bible Says:
"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)

[LongBeachCoupe]

The problem with this country is that thanks to the Hippie and liberal revolution of the 60's and 70's, we as a country have lost focus of our core values and proper parenting. Throw kids having kids into the mix and you have a recipe for what we have today, a population of kids and twenty something adults who are disrespectful and thugs.

There were more teenage parents back then than there are now, and it was more accepted.. who gets married at 17 now?
So core values and proper parenting are the brady bunch?
Wake up, the liberal revolution here was GOOD... look at the current geopolitical situation abroad... Wait, second thought, you are right... we should go back to segregation too?

That type of closed minded attitude is the kind of creativity behind the pet rock and racial profiling!

I would love for the liberals and hippies to go fall in a well and the parental values of the 40's and 50's were to make a come back.

Wanna know where I think you belong?

Again I'm far from religious but: http://www.tldm.org/news6/child.discipline.htm ....

Then stop posting religious nonsense

Sorry for venting, but from the title (a 6 yr old should be "tough"?) to the nonsense i went thru today, in combination with packing to move....
Dont blame liberals for this, blame technology for bringing it to your doorstep!
Blame the liberals for allowing the technology to be used!

[angeliquedavis]

That is retarded. My 5 yr old daughter loves straight jalepenos. Also any hot sauce. LOVES IT! That is just a matter of preference... I mean what is next? Calling the parent that tells their kid who hates spinach thaT they have to eat spinach? SERIOUSLY? it is a sadsad world when a parent has no say in disciplining their child.