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WDRacing wrote:I'd rather make my own methane fuel from recycled pig s*** then use a CXRacing turbo. But you know that
they aren't THAT bad haha
zerepdivad wrote:
The cx turbo's aren't as bad as people make them out to be. Mines lasted me like 6000miles thus far. for 150 bucks that's worth it in my book.

Remember there was a time when people used to say stuff like that about japanese cars haha. Different scenario i know but still.
my first one lasted like 12,000+ miles of daily driving, some drifting til the manifold is glowing orange and up to 14 psi of boost and I only replaced it because it started to leak oil between the compressor housing and the center cartridge. It just made a mess and I was gonna try and rebuild it with the garrett rebuild kit w/ a VSR balance but it was only 150 bucks for a new one lol..I'm around 6K miles on this one and it's not leaking a drop so far


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WDRacing wrote:I'd rather make my own methane fuel from recycled pig s*** then use a CXRacing turbo. But you know that
You can still try them out. :P

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zerepdivad wrote:
The cx turbo's aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
Used Holset > New CXRacing turbo. I used to balance high speed drive shafts and monitor gearbox vibrations etc on helicopters when I was in the USAF. Turbos spin at insanly high rpms depending on the amount of boost. Turbo's see 100,000 rpm on a regular basis, that is WAY to much for something not to be dynamically balanced. When something isn't balanced it's simply waiting to break, that's just fact.
float_6969 wrote:Brian, I've got an M62 supercharger w/a clutch off of a CLK230 I'd let you borrow. I'm sure you could handle building the bracket, but you'd have to figure out a crank pulley. I bought it to use on my wife's Miata, but she's decided she just wants to rebuild the motor and sell it, so unless I get crazy and put a huge turbo on my CA18 and use the supercharger to spool it, IDK that I'll have a use for it anytime soon. I got it for super cheap, so I'm not real worried about it.
MOD is holding a M62 for me, I just need to send him some money. I have some really good idea's for brackets and supports etc. I'd mount it on the exhaust side, run it through a FMIC and use water and nitrous for cooling. There are guys running the M90 up to 20psi on the 3.8 with proper cooling. I figure I could get close to that with the M62 if I can sufficiently cool the air. Hence the water/nitrous injection

When you say it's clutched, does that mean it's unloaded until a load is applied to the engine? That would be sweet for mileage etc, driving the SCr is the only reason I have never been overly excited about using a roots style. I hate losing power to drive a power adder...seems like working backwards.

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I am unaware of any forced induction that does not use some engine power to produce extra power... All i could think of is an electric turbo/SC of some kind?

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I read about some guy who was trying to design an electric driven supercharger, and not just one of those dinky bulls*** 1-2hp ones like we have read about (which are useless and stupid), but a real potent unit. Anyways it takes s***loads of energy to drive one, so much so that you would need extra batteries in the car much like people with hydraulics need extra batteries, and also a way to charge them all. He also had an idea where there would be capacitors so the setup could be used for drag racing where they would discharge quickly, like a shot of Nos.

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A properly sized turbo will hardly cause hp loss at all when compared to anything attached to the crank. The turbo owns every other power adder except for nitrous oxide where efficiency is concerned.

If nitrous were cheaper...man

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WDRacing wrote:When you say it's clutched, does that mean it's unloaded until a load is applied to the engine? That would be sweet for mileage etc, driving the SCr is the only reason I have never been overly excited about using a roots style. I hate losing power to drive a power adder...seems like working backwards.

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It's clutched like an A/C compressor. When +12V is applied to the plug on it, the clutch engages. On the Mercedes they did this so they didn't have to use a bypass valve for throttle lift off. They actuated the supercharger clutch at any RPM over 1500 and the throttle open. As soon as the throttle closed, the clutch de-activated which allowed the rotors to free-wheel, negating the need for a bypass valve. Apparently it worked pretty well. I was just going to wire it up to a switch on the dash and the built in throttle closed switch in the TPS and have it control the coils of a relay. When the throttle is closed or the dash switch is off, super doesn't use any power HP. If you flip the switch and crack the throttle, you've got boost.

If I use it on my CA18, I can program the SDS to control it to come on at a certain MAP value, or a certain RPM.

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Oh man, that sounds like an awesome idea. The M62 will put out plenty of volume for a CA to. That's like the perfect daily driver IMO, decent mileage but at the flip of a switch you instant low end torque or a nitrous like kick if you're already driving.

Man you have to do this.

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The "american" 240SX KA24DE is built in japan. So much for "american love".

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The most important factor is where the 240 lives right now, everything else is gay.

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Space Monkey wrote:I'm a KA-T fan myself. Im building my KA to be indestructible!

Built KA-T > Built SR
Odd...most people here in the lower mainland despise the KA :P

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WDRacing wrote:Oh man, that sounds like an awesome idea. The M62 will put out plenty of volume for a CA to. That's like the perfect daily driver IMO, decent mileage but at the flip of a switch you instant low end torque or a nitrous like kick if you're already driving.

Man you have to do this.
I'll add it to my list of crazy things I want to try on my motor.

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asoomal wrote:
Odd...most people here in the lower mainland despise Surrey :P
^Fixed!

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LOL

No but seriously I thought I was the only one supporting the KA here LOL

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i wish more ppl hated the ka, they are getting somewhat desireable

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Come on Spooled! Don't get butt hurt because people want to be like YOU!

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no joke, there are a handful of my friends that wanna go ka-turbo now lol

...what happened to the sr swap?

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Who wants to down size? If you're going to swap, then make it worth it...

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QFT and the 280 wtq is what makes the passenger hang on to the door panel lol

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Ok. I havent been on teh NICO lately. Brian, I think the I am getting some timing chain rattle. I am going to take it apart as soon as its warmer out. If I have to replace the timing chain, this may void our agreement on account of me doing cams and a head gasket just becasue its apart. The cost would be minimal at that point becasue it will already be apart. I will keep you guys updated as soon as I figure out whats going on with it.

SR > KA-T

still

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No worries homie, I'm switching my entire setup. My turbo is F'd so I'm using a supercharger and nitrous

I'd love to build a car just for this race, but it wouldn't be the car I "want" to build. So I'm going with alcohol injection, nitrous and a roots blower.

Also, the Omaha meet only has drag on Friday night. I'm usually pretty s***faced Friday night as that's when we usually meet up for dinner at a sports bar etc.

I'll be down to hang out and BS about cars all weekend though I'll make sure I bring plenty of extra Corona

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Good deal. Im gonna show up with some s*** now becasue of no parameters. Wow, youre setup really went another route didnt it?

We should still run'em just to see what happens. Id like to put this thing to bed one way or another.

Either way, whatev. HAvent been on in a while so I figured Id see whats up.

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LOL now we should change the title as it is no longer a KA-T VS SR battle. WD, would a turbo not be cheaper than changing the whole setup?

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Im glad he had to break the agreement prior to myself, that means I win by default.

HA!

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Pfft! The only way you were going to win anyhow

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And this is why dsport will have the final say in which is better lol i subscribed to there mag just for this reason . Sr ftw

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the real test is how a KA with stock internals can measure up against the SR cuz frankly, many ka-ter's including myself are still on stock internals and we all know that a built KA-T would pwn a SR anyway

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SR > KA-T or KA-S or KA-S-N or .....wait, what?!?!?!

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what were the results,

Im staying KA on my daily(kouki), Turbo in my other 240 which will someday become a slut that i will whore out.

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In the event of direct comparisons:

2.4L VS 2.0L

With the SAME turbo (T25) at the SAME boost and all other peripherals are also the same.

It will always be 2.4L > 2.0L

There is no replacement for displacement.

Not even Koshin can argue that.


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