Well, I came to this conclusion> Theoretically, the ka24de(t) IS better than the sr20det. why? well let's look at this basics. Again, the ka24de is
155 HP @ 5500 RPM & 160 lbs. of torque @ 4400 RPM
while the sr20de is 158 HP and 138 lbs of torque
Now strap the turbo on the sr20de and you get the sr20deT with these stats
(s14) approx. 220 HP and 202 lbs. of torque (now i am not sure about the rom's but i am sure they are like at 6500 and 5500 respectively)
now strap on the turbo on the ka24de and you get almost 300 HP (? i believe depending on the manufacturer) or at LEAST 220 EQUAL to the sr20det, but one thing is for certain you get more TORQUE!! Wouldnt that qualify the ka24de being "better? ?the only thing i am not sure of is the power loss on RPM's although car & driver mag said that the ka24de should be driven to its 6000 redline for max power. and more thing, the supra shares similair engine peak performance
it is 320 HP @ 5600 RPM and 315 lbs' of torque @ 4000 RPM
therefore the ka24de should have no problem being driven as a supra should
however the only donwside is that when i push my s14 do the redline the gas meter dramatically drops yikeS!! why is that?? ok well thanks everyone!!
KA24DE(T) vs. sr20det THE KA24DE(T ) IS BETTER I HAVE PROOF!!
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even if you know somebody....its still not "legal" to get a car to pass, it may get you by, but legality is a different issue. but of course we all only use modded cars "off road only", don't we guys?
in my opinion, comparing the 240 to a supra is an apples and oranges comparison. i have a lot of respect for a supra, but saying that this or that about a 240 acts like one is pointless. a supra is capable of 35 lbs. of boost on the stock engine. no built bottom end, no head gasket, just bolt on a new header, turbo and fuel system and you can blast 30 plus lbs. in that baby. 2 bar is no problem all the time with the right tune. i haven't seen anybody claiming even 2 bar on their KA or SR, much less to do so safely.
love your 2FO for what it is, an affordable, fun car with great potential, that can have just as good or better (especially for the money) power to weight ratio than a supra.
plus, people like nice cars, but no kids walk up to see my 240, which i like so it is left alone. but right now there is a supra in my driveway and i caught neighboorhood kids way up in my yard looking at the car.....not cool IMO.
in my opinion, comparing the 240 to a supra is an apples and oranges comparison. i have a lot of respect for a supra, but saying that this or that about a 240 acts like one is pointless. a supra is capable of 35 lbs. of boost on the stock engine. no built bottom end, no head gasket, just bolt on a new header, turbo and fuel system and you can blast 30 plus lbs. in that baby. 2 bar is no problem all the time with the right tune. i haven't seen anybody claiming even 2 bar on their KA or SR, much less to do so safely.
love your 2FO for what it is, an affordable, fun car with great potential, that can have just as good or better (especially for the money) power to weight ratio than a supra.
plus, people like nice cars, but no kids walk up to see my 240, which i like so it is left alone. but right now there is a supra in my driveway and i caught neighboorhood kids way up in my yard looking at the car.....not cool IMO.
well thanks anyways guys for all your info
sorry if i offended any of you guys (damn didnt expect people to get so ehated ahaha) but nevertheelss i learned a lot from this post! thanks!! by the way when turboing the ka24det is it smog legal??
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"while the sr20de is 158 HP and 138 lbs of torque"
where are you getting your figures? ususaly hp is around 141 , i wish i had 158 stock . did the silvias sr20 come with more hp or what ?maybe haveing the thing turned the right way driveing the rear wheels allwed for a more effiecnt intake/exaust manifold manifold
now heres an idea , someone get some pics toghter of the bottom ends of boath engines , im thinking my sr20 is built a a liitle more stout , my bottom end will see 500hp without mods to it , only problem the DET guys run into at those levels in the bottom end is spun bearings
but me breathing 7psi on mine i wont see the problem plus ill be running a t-25 and make around 200hp with the cams im running and such this spring , im not after much more , just want to make it a little more ballzey
where are you getting your figures? ususaly hp is around 141 , i wish i had 158 stock . did the silvias sr20 come with more hp or what ?maybe haveing the thing turned the right way driveing the rear wheels allwed for a more effiecnt intake/exaust manifold manifold
now heres an idea , someone get some pics toghter of the bottom ends of boath engines , im thinking my sr20 is built a a liitle more stout , my bottom end will see 500hp without mods to it , only problem the DET guys run into at those levels in the bottom end is spun bearings
but me breathing 7psi on mine i wont see the problem plus ill be running a t-25 and make around 200hp with the cams im running and such this spring , im not after much more , just want to make it a little more ballzey
Yes, Also the SR20DET was BUILT for a turbo, Tha KA was not. So if you took the turbo off a SR20, the compression is so much lower then the KA, thus which takes away power. But since it was built with a turbo, factory it provides a better stock engine. The KA is better due with a larger displacement, and able to produce higher torque. But its down side is it coems weak from the factory and is built weak.
So still no matter how you argue is all a matter of opinion of what u think is better. I would take any engine, the both are good
So still no matter how you argue is all a matter of opinion of what u think is better. I would take any engine, the both are good
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TrueSlide wrote:Yes, Also the SR20DET was BUILT for a turbo, Tha KA was not. So if you took the turbo off a SR20, the compression is so much lower then the KA, thus which takes away power. But since it was built with a turbo, factory it provides a better stock engine. The KA is better due with a larger displacement, and able to produce higher torque. But its down side is it coems weak from the factory and is built weak.
So still no matter how you argue is all a matter of opinion of what u think is better. I would take any engine, the both are good
I don't know if I would go so far as to say it was built weak...I admit it wasn't built with a turbo and has higher compression. This, in turn, doesn't allow for as much boost, but makes it more fun to drive around town in the lower RPM range...and that is exactly why I LOVE my KA24DE-T!!! Damn thing is insane!!!!!! You don't even have to rev it hard to get some boost out of it.
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So how exactly is the SR built stronger than the KA? As far as I know all parts are made from similar materials except for the block. The SR has lower compression, so it obviously has an advantage for higher boost since it will have a higher threshold before detonation starts to occur. The pistons on the SR should have a thicker ring land, but that really only makes a difference when detonation occurs. And if you tune it correctly, this should not be an issue.
Almost any engine can be tuned to take huge amounts of boost. There is a Miata (I think covered in a Turbo mag, I have it somewhere) running 25psi on a stock block. He ran a 10.98 on street tires. It was a purple Miata if anyone knows what I'm talking about. He said he's never blown the engine, it took months of fine tuning. He then proceeded to say its on its last leg, but he had it running boosted for a while...
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I can't believe I just read that post. That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. So many factors were completely ignored. I could equate his conclusion to one I will make between motorcycles and cars.
Car have four cyclinders, and bikes usually have the equivilent to one or maybe two. Therefore cars are much faster.
Look at me mommy, I'm smart!
Nick.
Car have four cyclinders, and bikes usually have the equivilent to one or maybe two. Therefore cars are much faster.
Look at me mommy, I'm smart!
Nick.
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mojo22 wrote:even if you know somebody....its still not "legal" to get a car to pass, it may get you by, but legality is a different issue. but of course we all only use modded cars "off road only", don't we guys?
in my opinion, comparing the 240 to a supra is an apples and oranges comparison. i have a lot of respect for a supra, but saying that this or that about a 240 acts like one is pointless. a supra is capable of 35 lbs. of boost on the stock engine. no built bottom end, no head gasket, just bolt on a new header, turbo and fuel system and you can blast 30 plus lbs. in that baby. 2 bar is no problem all the time with the right tune. i haven't seen anybody claiming even 2 bar on their KA or SR, much less to do so safely.
love your 2FO for what it is, an affordable, fun car with great potential, that can have just as good or better (especially for the money) power to weight ratio than a supra.
plus, people like nice cars, but no kids walk up to see my 240, which i like so it is left alone. but right now there is a supra in my driveway and i caught neighboorhood kids way up in my yard looking at the car.....not cool IMO.
Uhhh ... no. You may see "stock internals" but believe me those have been out for stress testing, and alot of shotpeening and other strengthening processes. Stock internals on the Supra hold about 600whp, from there its all tuning and making the bottom end a bit stronger. The internals dont last long at all either. If your gonna say that then the KA can hold 10psi, although its only for a month. And dont say "Ive got a friend who... blah blah". I know the secrets to these so-called stock bottom ends from the owners of the cars. SW, Darren, Clint Pohler, Chris Johnson, and Kean all have "stock" internals on their 10-sec and faster Supras.
