KA-T issues

[240sxRturbo]

just boosted my ka24e and im getting white smoke coming out of the exhaust when im driving but not at an idel the enitire turbo kit is brand new less than 200 miles on it any suggestions??????

[Romeo_rus]

too rich... (I think)what does wideband show?what is your setup?

[240sxRturbo]

no wide band im sorry if i sound nieve but this is all new to me wouldnt i have to have bigger injectors to be running rich?????

[biggie]

Need to know the setup.

InjectorsECUMAFPsietc

Sounds like running rich or coolant burning somehow.

[DevilMB3017]

Is your oil return line from your turbo straight downward?

It might be backing up.

Also, if this is an 'eBay Turbo' it might be over-oiling.

[240sxRturbo]

ok so i bought this kit from cx raving not off ebay i accually went to cxracing.com and purchased it i am running stock everything im running 7 pounds on boost controller 38mm wastegaste and no my oil return line is acually dont make fun going to the valve cover (temporaraly) cuz i cant figure out what need to do to drop the pan

[Romeo_rus]

OIL RETURN TO THE VALVE COVER???

[Romeo_rus]

so it is definitely oil...

[Ryencool]

Not to rag dude but you really need to do your research before you blow up your engine. Your oil return CANNOT go to your valve cover. You need to have a hole drilled into your oil pan and a line routed to it to the turbo.

You also should not be running on stock injectors, at 7 psi they are more than maxed out. Also what type of ECU are you running? I hope your not just running the stock ecu?

My advice would be to put your intake back on and un hook the turbo for the time being. Do some more research before you break your engine if you ahvent already.

Im guessing you cant replace the engine yourself, so if that goes your looking at 1,000$ at least.

Just buying a kit of of Ebay and hooking it up is not the smartest thing...

As to whats going wrong, there is over a dozen things that could be causingg your smoke. My guess would be a bad AFR mix and high temps. Did you compression test your motor before hand to see how healthy it was? theres too many things the try and help to be honest

[WDRacing]

ok so i bought this kit from cx raving not off ebay i accually went to cxracing.com and purchased it i am running stock everything im running 7 pounds on boost controller 38mm wastegaste and no my oil return line is acually dont make fun going to the valve cover (temporaraly) cuz i cant figure out what need to do to drop the pan

Couple things. For one, stop modifying your car if you don't know what you're doing. Oil is gravity drained...DUH. Sorry to be a prick but ffs dude I've been moderating this forum since 01 and I've never heard of anyone doing what you did.

The oil backs up and flows right past the seals into the compressor AND the turbine housing.

At this point you might even need a rebuild on the turbo.

The next thing is IMPORTANT.

USE GRAMMAR

Caps, periods and spelling. At least make an attempt at it, I can barely read your posts. This isn't Gen Chat or a IM session. This is a tech forum.

WD

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Yeah you're definitely looking at burning a bunch of oil, running way too lean, possibly blowing your head gasket, blowing your turbo, cooking your plugs, blowing your piston ring lands, and possibly blowing your entire engine.

Convert it back to stock ASAP, and then read here and do research until your eyeballs bleed.

[biggie]

I kinda guessed this would be 'bad' when I replied. I had no clue it would have been this bad.

[ppctx]

Is there any way you could please post a pic of the engine bay and how you have the oil lines temporarily plumbed, just for reference?

[ss82480]

I guess this is sorta like natural selection for tuners.

[DevilMB3017]

ok so i bought this kit from cx raving not off ebay i accually went to cxracing.com and purchased it i am running stock everything im running 7 pounds on boost controller 38mm wastegaste and no my oil return line is acually dont make fun going to the valve cover (temporaraly) cuz i cant figure out what need to do to drop the pan

Don't make fun? We're not going to do that here.

What we will do, however, is say that you need to start over from scratch and, do some (and by some, I mean tons) more research and possibly get some help in there.

[Ryencool]

The best thing to do is ask questions here or goto http://www.ka-t.org. I do think that you have busted your engine though. If its still running its full of oil, and thats a very bad thing.

[240sxRturbo]

ok so what do i need to do to drop the pan i have everything else to finish it im in the process of workin on it right now and well im stuck

[240sxRturbo]

motor mounts off????

[WDRacing]

Before you pull the pan figure out where you want the oil return bung mounted. It has to be at the top of the pan and obviously not in a place where the line will be kinked when attached.

The Key is a nice straight hose with as few bends as possible. This will facilitate great drainage. Bare this in mind along with motor mounts and all the other crap that could get in the way. There is a thread in the FAQ that addresses all of this. Anyway...follow along below.

Remove all the bolts securing the pan to the block. The pan may need to be gently pried off. If you forgot to drain the oil, now is where you'll be going to the store for kitty litter...lol. Anyway...you should see the oil pick up. It's attached by 2 12mm bolts if I remember correctly. Remove the bolts, remove the pick up. Remove pan, clean pan, weld on the bung for the oil return.

When putting the pan back on I use Permatex black sealant and no gasket. Make sure both surfaces are very clean, use alcohol or something like that to wipe down the surfaces so the sealant will adhere. Now position the pan without making a awful mess Reinstall the oil pick up and then boilt the pan back up.

Connect oil return line. Start car and monitor for leaks.

I'd pull the intake piping all apart and clean it, then run seafoam through the intake while the motor is running. They have vids on youtube showing exactly how to do this. It will clean all the oil and crap out for you. You're gonna smoke out the exhaust for a good long time unless you pull it and run a hose through it. Will be nasty....other option is letting it burn off.

Ask more questions and we'll give more answers. If you do have some more questions please make a new thread. This one should only be about oil return and smoking.

WD

[ppctx]

I'll post you up several links to two different ways to do it, even give you a step by step, if you post a pic of how you had your oil lines run.

[trackslut240]

you really really really want that pic of the setup??...lol...

to be honest i wanna see it too...

[Ryencool]

Installing a oil return line isn't going to fix your problems. It explains the oil comming out of your exhaust, but your still going to kill your engine. Your not running any type of tune or engine management, piggy back, or stand alone. Your also running stock injectors, which is a no no. Then your running a stock maf, again a no no.

You need to unhook the turbo, and read some.

[DevilMB3017]

Installing a oil return line isn't going to fix your problems. It explains the oil comming out of your exhaust, but your still going to kill your engine. Your not running any type of tune or engine management, piggy back, or stand alone. Your also running stock injectors, which is a no no. Then your running a stock maf, again a no no.

You need to unhook the turbo, and read some.

What's wrong with stock injectors and a stock MAF? Oh yeah, absolutely nothing.

You should run a FMU with stock injectors/MAF so that you get more fuel in boost. To the OP, Google FMU and start reading. It stands for fuel management unit. It will give you more fuel based on vacuum lines.

You do NOT need any fancy electronics for 7lbs or less of boost, plain and simple. A few degrees retarded timing is also a very smart idea. And many people have run reliable turbo setups this way for literally longer then I've been alive.

[WDRacing]

What's wrong with stock injectors and a stock MAF? Oh yeah, absolutely nothing.

You should run a FMU with stock injectors/MAF so that you get more fuel in boost. To the OP, Google FMU and start reading. It stands for fuel management unit. It will give you more fuel based on vacuum lines.

You do NOT need any fancy electronics for 7lbs or less of boost, plain and simple. A few degrees retarded timing is also a very smart idea. And many people have run reliable turbo setups this way for literally longer then I've been alive.

Great post!

You have learned much grasshopper

[240sxRturbo]

i have an fmu just haven't put it in i just got it in the mail the other day i saw no sense in not driving the car cuz im not going into boost like an idiot yes i have done some things wrong but its not like i have be beating the hell out of it i know that some things need to be changed the only reason my setup is the ways it is is cuz i needed to have it drivable so i could get to work cuz my dd broke down and i ran out of time and i have retarded the timing 2 degrees to make my engine run cooler and more efficient i think installing the fmu and relocating the return line should fix my problems ... i regapped my plugs last night to .32 cuz i was getting spark blow out and now it boost just fine just gotta fix the little stuff now any other suggestions that would help me would be greatly appreciated

[240sxRturbo]

how do i post a pic on here Ive tried figuring it out and cant lol

[biggie]

how do i post a pic on here Ive tried figuring it out and cant lol

zerothread/254009

[240sxRturbo]

here u go please try and hold laughter to a minimum didn't build to make it look pretty just wanted performance
Modified by 240sxRturbo at 2:56 PM 4/7/2010

[240sxRturbo]

what ratio fmu would i need for my setup at max i wanna run 10psi

[DevilMB3017]

what ratio fmu would i need for my setup at max i wanna run 10psi

If your staying on stock injectors and MAF, you should not really go above 7PSI I think. I think that there are much more advanced people with FMU knowledge, but I think 8:1 - but I'm not sure.

Also, go get some real pipe for the hot-side out of the turbo before you melt that dryer s*** and have a fire in your engine bay.