Just Had About Enough BS

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

Ok, ive just about have had enough of waiting around for the damn mechanic to finish the sr swap. Turns out the sr engine they installed turned out to be bad and tehy had to get a new engine. I like "WTF!"well they told me last friday id get it back by this friday. So tommorw im not really expecting my car to be done so i want to have something to say to those mechanics that would hurry them the hell up. I callevery week to check on my car and to hurry them up. I even go there once every week or 2. Man everytime i tell them "Could you please have my car by next week; Could you guys kind of hurry up, i need the car by next week; Could you guys hurry up , i hope i have a merry christmas!" they just keep telling me "Yes I know we have no reason to keep your car any longer its just random issues that keep poping up. We dont want to rush on your car too fast and mess the car up , we want to give your car back in the best form possible. We want to perfom you a good job and not some mickey mouse job so we are taking our time to do every detail correctly."

Man they keep giving me BS and i want to tell them in an assertive yet non-threatning way to hurry them up. Basically tehy told me if ikeep telling them to hurry up then they could perform a bad job on my car. and since there are no refunds my hands are tied and i dont know what to do. ive been waiting for 2 months now, and already paid for half upfront. Sure they have given me some free stuff like a fmic and a free intake kit and some good stuff for cheap, but i have to draw the line somewhere! What should i do guys?? get a lawyer or something?? help me please. Thanks

Post by **Nebraska240sx** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

just wait man, u dont want a hurried horror story on your hands do ya... hell give them credit, as long as they are not charging you more $$$

Post by **Onizuka** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

What shop did you choose? thats the problem normally.

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

I chose JPR motorsports ,but i was reffered there by people that have friends that say they did a good job on their H22 swap and it only took 2 weeks, and they have performed other swaps before, ive seen some of his clinets cars and tehyre pretty clean. I know, never rely on a 2nd hand source by a friend. I just need to know what to say and how to act to tell them to "hurry up" w/o telling them "hurry up i dont care if the car gets ****ed up." I do give them credit for not giving me the ****ed up sr motor, but cmon ive been waiting since October 17! I think ive been patient enough, besides ive already paid half. I REALLY REALLY need my car before next week.

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

Hey, if they are actually caring enough to think about getting you a new motor then be glad, 2 months isn't that bad. Korey just got his CA swapped car back, it was in the shop for a YEAR.

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

Nathan wrote:Hey, if they are actually caring enough to think about getting you a new motor then be glad, 2 months isn't that bad. Korey just got his CA swapped car back, it was in the shop for a YEAR.

i really dont plan on waiting a full year, that just sounds unreasonable for a not-to-complex Sr swap (not trying to say that teh Sr swap is easy), esp. for guys who've done it before. and it isnt about teh 2 months becasue i dont even know if itll stay 2 mos, it might be 3 or 4. Its not not knowing that bothers me.

Post by **Anand** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

welcome to my world..

I got my car back last Wednesday... here are the problems

Spedometer does not work...running very hot (can easily be fixed by swaping out the ka sensor)runs like siht!boggs at stop lights

and then it stopped running all together the next day...

I got it home from work on Thursnight Since that time it has not started at all...

I will be creating a thread with the entire details with pictures soon...

Post by **Anand** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

did you pay them upfront? cash or charge??

becuse I paied after adn then did a chargeback on the credit card!

you might want to yank your car adn chargeback the money if you can???

Post by **Onizuka** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

lesson learned:

DON'T USE FRIGGEN HONDA SHOPS TO INSTALL YOUR NISSAN MOTOR

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

I paid cash to avoid the nightmare whether theyre lurking aorund my neighborhood to steal my engine back.

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

They posted on an Magazine Ad that they specialize in Sr swaps. So i figure what the hell.

Post by **Onizuka** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

One thing I have learned through my ordeal of not getting my first motor, reputation means everything and advertisement means nothing

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

If I was you I'd go in person, get as much technical information as possible. Such as why they want to get a different sr, low compression, what? exactly what work they have done so far, what problems they have encountered, what they plan to do to fix the problems, and a timetable for completion. If possible, have them write it all out and then hold them to it.

Checkered-Member · Post by **Checkered-Member** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

J-Spec Tuner wrote:lesson learned:DON'T USE FRIGGEN HONDA SHOPS TO INSTALL YOUR NISSAN MOTOR

The real lesson is: don’t swap your engine, stick with what you got Just stick a turbo, a shop can do it under 6 hours…and you get more hp and pay less…I really don’t see why people put SR’s (I wish I had one)

Post by **Onizuka** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

Checkered-Member wrote:The real lesson is: don’t swap your engine, stick with what you got Just stick a turbo, a shop can do it under 6 hours…and you get more hp and pay less…I really don’t see why people put SR’s (I wish I had one)

you know nothing

Post by **Supafly** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

other than getting other cars out of the way, it shouldn't take them more than 5 days to do an SR swap in a good shop. hell, i did it in 3 days in my driveway in freezing cold weather and that 3 days included fabbing a hot-pipe, installing the FMIC, new clutch and flywheel, fabbing the throttle cable bracketry, installing an entire exhaust system and a ton of figuring out wiring/soldering/cleaning up everything. everything works correctly and the damn thing hasn't skipped a beat since:ylsuper

did i mention this was my first SR swap?:D

so umm, yeah, let them know that you appreciate the work they are doing on it but at the same time express your concern in getting it back in a timely manner. speak to whoever owns/manages the shop, not one of the shop hands. don't go in with an attitude, just be calm and professional about it. explain how it was promised a long time ago and albeit other complications it's still taking them too long for such a simple swap. if that doesn't work then just be happy that you're possibly going to get it back and not in as beat up a state as some of the horror stories that have been going on lately have;)

Post by **DAEDALUS** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

Anand, that's the way to go. I was going to suggest it, but I thought you had paid upfront. Credit cards are the best way to pay. My suggestion: on the charge slip, right above where you sign, write "Subject to inspection of work by owner". This isn't exactly sure-fire protection, but it's just one more point on your side if there are any issues after you get the car home. Otherwise, all it says is you agree to pay $x amount.

Post by **hadokenny** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

they only took 2 weeks to do a honda engine swap eh? hehe well my friend only takes a day to complete a swap and get the car running. Honda swaps are the easiest to do. You should have went to shops that specializes only nissan...But yea, dont rush them. Let them do their job correctly that way u will have less problems to worry about in the future

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

Thanks guys for the advice,

Well when i phoned them last friday they told me that the engine was bad, had something to due with oil not sure what bc i couldnt hear quite well over the phone. Well they said they checked the compression(which wasnt the problem) and it was one of those things you dont find out about until you actually drive the car. Im going to take Nathan's advice and seek more info. Thanks guys and if you compound anymore advice id very much like to hear it.

Thanks again

-Mike

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

J-Spec Tuner wrote:One thing I have learned through my ordeal of not getting my first motor, reputation means everything and advertisement means nothing

Oh and i stated in my earlier posts that i was refered to them by previous clients of his whom my friends know. I just want my car back already [sighs].

DAEDALUS wrote:Anand, that's the way to go. I was going to suggest it, but I thought you had paid upfront. Credit cards are the best way to pay. My suggestion: on the charge slip, right above where you sign, write "Subject to inspection of work by owner". This isn't exactly sure-fire protection, but it's just one more point on your side if there are any issues after you get the car home. Otherwise, all it says is you agree to pay $x amount.

I paid half cash upfront, so i guess i can still put on the slip that the car could be "Subject to inspection of work by owner". Ill write that when i pay my other half. I also got a $500 or so discount from tax w/o using a credit card. I also used Cash as a precaution bc credit cards tend to trace back to you and i dont want to be thinking all the time when i go to sleep "would they acutally steal my engine back?'' , i say this bc a frined of mine got his car ,which has a turbocharged b series engine, stolen the following 2 mos. The police found it in the garage of the mechanic who installed it but they couldnt arrest him bc they found the car without a warrant and it was illegal search.

Post by **Onizuka** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

yes, but that was with honda motors. You wouldnt trust a suby tuner to know their way around a supra twin turbo motor would you?

Post by **BuudWeizErr** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

Checkered-Member wrote:The real lesson is: don’t swap your engine, stick with what you got Just stick a turbo, a shop can do it under 6 hours…and you get more hp and pay less…I really don’t see why people put SR’s (I wish I had one)

This coming from an idiot who thinks turbos recycle exhaust and has nothing but rice parts on his car?

pot, kettle, black.

That is all.

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

But they had a magazine ad, A MAGAZINE AD!

haha

Post by **MainEvent212** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

ooooh, budd :owned J0O

Post by **SeVa-S13** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

BuudWeizErr wrote:This coming from an idiot who thinks turbos recycle exhaust and has nothing but rice parts on his car?

pot, kettle, black.

That is all.

Let's be serious here, no SR-powered 240 can compete with his Altima GT-R with neon.

Post by **nightwalker** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

dammit, why would you pay someone to swap your motor for you? I would rather do it myself. Two months? That's friggin rediculous for a swap. IF I got a front clip to do a swap, the fastest would be three days! If I took the time do check the motor and various things, I would say two weeks TOPS!!! If they are a so called SHOP, they should be able to do it in the times I mentioned. I pull off these SR swaps in my garage.

Next time, as to see customer's cars, and ask for $hit in writing. If it's cheap, you're probably paying some other way:D

Post by **Anand** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

DAEDALUS wrote:Anand, that's the way to go. I was going to suggest it, but I thought you had paid upfront. Credit cards are the best way to pay. My suggestion: on the charge slip, right above where you sign, write "Subject to inspection of work by owner". This isn't exactly sure-fire protection, but it's just one more point on your side if there are any issues after you get the car home. Otherwise, all it says is you agree to pay $x amount.

i didn't write anything on the reciept but it's ok. I called the cc company and they said that they will do everything to resolve the issue. I took a lot of pictures and everything so.

Another point for me is that they had to have phase2 come out and do the wiring on my car.. I can claim incompetence on the shop and see how far it can get me.

If I have to end up paying more than what I already did to get my car back to the way it was and in working condition... trust me.. the shop will pay in one way or another!!!

I have some plans brewing..nothing illegal/... even thought I would LOVE to go tear up the shop but i don't want to go that way...

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

nightwalker wrote:dammit, why would you pay someone to swap your motor for you?

I lack the knowledge and the time and lack the time to attain the knowledege to install an SR. I dont think anything is wrong with paying a certified mechanic to perform an engine swap which I know nothing how to go about. Besides, i can afford it

nightwalker wrote:I would rather do it myself.

I dont care how you feel of how you would go about swapping the motor.

nightwalker wrote: Two months? That's friggin rediculous for a swap.

The feeling is mutual and is quite evident in my first post.

nightwalker wrote: IF I got a front clip to do a swap, the fastest would be three days!

You should be able to make an educated guess that would include the wire harness and other misc things. I dont think a swap dont in 3 days with a mickey mouse job done would be acceptable, at least IMO.

nightwalker wrote: If I took the time do check the motor and various things, I would say two weeks TOPS!!!

Yeah 2 weeks tops if nothing goes wrong and everything goes wily-didly the 1st time. My mechanic at least road tested my car to make sure there werent any problems (which there were, ENGINE NO GOOD) i.e. running slugish, all gauges working, over heating etc.... if he hadnt i would have had my car by now and my engine would have probably stopped running the next day or possibly blown.

nightwalker wrote: If they are a so called SHOP, they should be able to do it in the times I mentioned. I pull off these SR swaps in my garage.

I dont think any autoshop goes by an exact timetable, just an estimated one. If you do pull these swaps in your garage you should know the many factors and complexity of performing an engine swap. I think the actual swap can be done in a day but the wire harness and other misc. things are another matter. I also know they have a reputable business bc of what ive heard from thier other clients. they have a web address too its http://www.jprmotor.com

nightwalker wrote: Next time, as to see customer's cars

I stated in my previous posts that i did see his previous clients cars with sr20dets and now that you mention it they were s14s and an s15 and an s13 motors. They swapped an s15 motor in an s13 chasis. I think thats pretty good

nightwalker wrote: and ask for $hit in writing.

And what " $hit " would i want to see in writing? the timetable?? they already wrote that down for me and the est. costs of the swap.

nightwalker wrote: If it's cheap, you're probably paying some other way

I dont quite get this

sorry if i went all out on this guy, but arrogant ppl with irratable comments like this i dont need. how much longer do you guys think a should wait more???? i hope be4 christmas

Post by **Altiman94** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

I would probably just wait for the car a little longer. I've had to wait long amounts of time for my 240 to get its new engine also. Checkered, any 240 in this site would smoke your altima. I can crawl faster than your 2nd gen auto can go throught he 1/4 mile. It's easily a high 17 second car.

Post by **The Mic** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm

Checkered-Member wrote:I really don’t see why people put SR’s (I wish I had one)

haha, the sentence in parenthesis was changed from " Damn ricers" to that

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