Just Had About Enough BS

[Doriftomodachi]

I chose JPR motorsports ,but i was reffered there by people that have friends that say they did a good job on their H22 swap and it only took 2 weeks, and they have performed other swaps before, ive seen some of his clinets cars and tehyre pretty clean. I know, never rely on a 2nd hand source by a friend. I just need to know what to say and how to act to tell them to "hurry up" w/o telling them "hurry up i dont care if the car gets ****ed up." I do give them credit for not giving me the ****ed up sr motor, but cmon ive been waiting since October 17! I think ive been patient enough, besides ive already paid half. I REALLY REALLY need my car before next week.

Who cares about H22 swapping experience, why didn't you choose a shop with lots of NISSAN SR20DET EXPERIENCE??? How many Honda swaps have they performed? Why didn't you go to Phase2 or Motorex?

[The Mic]

[sighs] read my posts . sides they were the only shop who would do it within my price range. out of curiousity, does the phase2 parts store in irwindale do swaps??

[bcuz]

now your defending the shop and cutting on people that gave you advice? and obviosly you dont know what your talking about because as of now there is no s15 in the united states so they didnt do a swap on one, and if there is on here I KNOW the person that had that much money to get it here isnt taking it to a rice shop like the one your ignorant self went to.

Othere people mentioned the underlying lesson, I think they where wrong, the real lesson is no matter how much money you have, you cant get everything you want or need (ie: a brain)

And what do you mean, you "need" the car? you say you have money, go buy a 1500$ civic for a daily driver. Or do you just "want" it? And if you dont indeed need it, then what are you crying about? you messed up and went with a shop that doesnt know what they are doing, or you just got unlucky and there really is a big problem that needs to be fixed and will take some time, either way all you can do now is sit your hyper *** down and be patient. Hell if I where the shop I would be sick and tired of you bugging me. and while you wait, try and grow up a lil.

[Nathan]

Umm...there ARE S15 engines in S13's in the US, thats what he was talking about.

[nightwalker]

hehehe, I know you ripped up my reply, but you know what they say, if you're good at it, complexity becomes simplicity.

Before I go on, I assume this is a S13 SR into a S13 chassis? Even then, with a S14 going into a S13, the only thing hard about the swap is the wiring, and with some patience and research, can be found online.

My friend, who never swapped an engine before completed his own SR swap into his 89 240 (which by the way is harder) with just phone help (from myself) and research on his part.

The wiring for a S13 to S13 is so easy its stupid. The rest of the swap is common sense. I didn't reply with suggestions I had no idea about. Seriously, a three day job is no Mickey Mouse job. I guarantee you the wiring on my three day job looks better than 80 percent of the other "professionally done" swaps out there. Heck if you want Mickey Mouse, it would be a day for myself and a friend. But I've never done anything that way.

When I say two weeks tops, I seriously meant two weeks. Why? Becuase these SR motors are old, and have been sitting around for a long time, and you have to do a thorough check up, which usually starts with a compression check, leak down if you have to, basic visual inspection, opening the motor for repairs if needed(rod bearings, valves, turbo, oil pan, timing, head gasket, etc.) These mentioned are the obvious ones that seem to plague the majority of these motors. But for a so called "SHOP" this process should be cake. Two weeks is actually stretching it to road test and tune the car a little.

If you guys believe that these motors have only 30-40K on them, you're living a dream. I've seen actual front clips with dash and cluster displaying 90K, so instead of just taking a chance and swaping blindly, a good shop should perform a basic diagnostic and remedy it if needed. Thats the only reason why a shop should be taking so long.

I'm not trying to make you feel any worse than you already do, and I'm sure you're not going to take my word as "the standard", but I'm telling you what I know through hands on experience, not from speculation. Between myself and my friends, we have swapped and cracked open more SRs than some of these so called shops.

...and just for kicks, I opted to swap a KA24DE into my own 89 instead of an SR...:thinker

[The Mic]

now your defending the shop and cutting on people that gave you advice? and obviosly you dont know what your talking about because as of now there is no s15 in the united states so they didnt do a swap on one, and if there is on here I KNOW the person that had that much money to get it here isnt taking it to a rice shop like the one your ignorant self went to.

Othere people mentioned the underlying lesson, I think they where wrong, the real lesson is no matter how much money you have, you cant get everything you want or need (ie: a brain)

thats just too easy. first off im saying that im not a dumbass for taking it to that shop. second im im not cutting any1 one out, i just find it annoying when ppl comment w/o reding the posts that are based on what they comment. and part of your reply was entriely based on the fact that i think there are S15 chasis cars in the U.S., which there arent. before you try to comment, read be4 you do next tme. And i still dont get how an autoshop can be rice, thought that only applied to cars. And my ignorant self did take it to the shop bc my ignorant self did not know how to install an Sr motor, seeing that im ignorant and all. thats why i paid some1 to do it, i dont want my ignorance to put my car at risk. And with an infinite amount of cash, anything materially attainable can be obtained with money. And i can get a brain with money, just need enough $ to have a brain swap with Albert Einstein and im on my way It looks like your the ignorant guy here bcuz.

And what do you mean, you "need" the car? you say you have money, go buy a 1500$ civic for a daily driver. Or do you just "want" it? And if you dont indeed need it, then what are you crying about? you messed up and went with a shop that doesnt know what they are doing, or you just got unlucky and there really is a big problem that needs to be fixed and will take some time, either way all you can do now is sit your hyper *** down and be patient. Hell if I where the shop I would be sick and tired of you bugging me. and while you wait, try and grow up a lil.

seeing thats its late and that i still need to do my book report ill just reply w/o quoting.not that its any of your business, Yes i need the car be4 next friday bc HKS gave me a deadline to send pictures of my car bc i applied for sponsorship as well as other local companies that have offered me sponsorship. For a daily driver i have a 87" maxima, its good and it runs but i cant take that car to HKS. I thought my car would be done by xmas at least which is why HKS gave me a dead line till then, if i dont meet the deadline they will reject me and it was my 18th proposal to them. They have many applicants you know, even though theres a chance i might not get the deal i still want to have the chance to even get rejected. How would i mess up, its not like i knew in advcance they would take long, i researched and they were reputble dumbass. And i did get unlucky bc its rare that they have to order a new engine for a cusomer for such a common job to them. And its not like i didnt pay them, they have 1/2 the amount already in cash I dont think calling every week when they keep telling me itll be ready the week after is whiining, bc they said they would have it done already. Im the one who should be annoyed by their bs, not them. And your not the shop so i dont care about your empathy aimed at them. :P

[The Mic]

hehehe, I know you ripped up my reply, but you know what they say, if you're good at it, complexity becomes simplicity.

Before I go on, I assume this is a S13 SR into a S13 chassis? Even then, with a S14 going into a S13, the only thing hard about the swap is the wiring, and with some patience and research, can be found online.

My friend, who never swapped an engine before completed his own SR swap into his 89 240 (which by the way is harder) with just phone help (from myself) and research on his part.

The wiring for a S13 to S13 is so easy its stupid. The rest of the swap is common sense. I didn't reply with suggestions I had no idea about. Seriously, a three day job is no Mickey Mouse job. I guarantee you the wiring on my three day job looks better than 80 percent of the other "professionally done" swaps out there. Heck if you want Mickey Mouse, it would be a day for myself and a friend. But I've never done anything that way.

When I say two weeks tops, I seriously meant two weeks. Why? Becuase these SR motors are old, and have been sitting around for a long time, and you have to do a thorough check up, which usually starts with a compression check, leak down if you have to, basic visual inspection, opening the motor for repairs if needed(rod bearings, valves, turbo, oil pan, timing, head gasket, etc.) These mentioned are the obvious ones that seem to plague the majority of these motors. But for a so called "SHOP" this process should be cake. Two weeks is actually stretching it to road test and tune the car a little.

If you guys believe that these motors have only 30-40K on them, you're living a dream. I've seen actual front clips with dash and cluster displaying 90K, so instead of just taking a chance and swaping blindly, a good shop should perform a basic diagnostic and remedy it if needed. Thats the only reason why a shop should be taking so long.

I'm not trying to make you feel any worse than you already do, and I'm sure you're not going to take my word as "the standard", but I'm telling you what I know through hands on experience, not from speculation. Between myself and my friends, we have swapped and cracked open more SRs than some of these so called shops.

...and just for kicks, I opted to swap a KA24DE into my own 89 instead of an SR...:thinker

Yeah the swapping is of a redtop into n s13 chassis. It probably is simple but i simply do not have the time for reading up on that. thanks for the thought

this guy i like,thanks for your comment and welcome to the boards NightWalker

[BuudWeizErr]

does the phase2 parts store in irwindale do swaps??

Obviously, they can't do swaps at the shop in Irwindale, but the real magic happens at another location, which is undisclosed to keep ricers from thinking they are hot s h i t and pulling off some form of shenanigans.

[The Mic]

See, thats why i couldntgo to Phase 2

[POS_S13]

just wait for your swap, theres plenty of people you get the swaps done that have taken at least 2 - 2 1/2 months so it hasn't been that long yet.

imo an sr swap should definetly not take more than 2 weeks if being consistantly werked on, especially if an experienced shop is doing the werk.

theres people around where i live who do swaps at home and take no more than a weekend. like someone said before, its all about reputation, not advertisments

[Demonic240]

dammit, why would you pay someone to swap your motor for you? I would rather do it myself. Two months? That's friggin rediculous for a swap. IF I got a front clip to do a swap, the fastest would be three days! If I took the time do check the motor and various things, I would say two weeks TOPS!!! If they are a so called SHOP, they should be able to do it in the times I mentioned. I pull off these SR swaps in my garage.

Next time, as to see customer's cars, and ask for $hit in writing. If it's cheap, you're probably paying some other way:D

I like the way to converse; this isn't a flame, but rather some reasons why people take their car to the shop. I will most likely be taking my car to the shop, mainly do to the fact that I have no place to do the swap (HOA forbids this and have no friends/family that has a large enough place to perform said swap). Plus, as to me, I can be a bumbling idiot with a wrench, sure I can do some minor wrenching (heads swaps and accessories), but I wouldn't want to try this task without someone to help me through. I'd love the satisfaction of actually performing the swap myself, but I just don't see it happening in my case.

** Back on Topic **I can see your frustration, S13GUY, with trying to meet a deadline for a sponsorship, but I think the shop, as from what you’re stating, seems to be honest. I can't see blaming them for the time frame, do to one engine they already diagnosed as bad, and are on their second. Another contributing factor is; how many other cars do they have in the shop? Something also go wrong with another swap from another client that needed to also be fixing? Etc. etc. As previously stated by many other members, I'd just give them time, as to my opinion, they are doing everything they can to get the job done right.

[HolyShiznit]

The real lesson is: don’t swap your engine, stick with what you got Just stick a turbo, a shop can do it under 6 hours…and you get more hp and pay less…I really don’t see why people put SR’s (I wish I had one)

OFF-TOPIC: Dude your a dumbass, how many times do you have to get OWNED on this board before you stfu and at least try to learn something.

Back to regular broadcast: Sorry about your car dude, hopefully it will be done soon.

[The Mic]

Yeah ur right demonic240, i guess i cant blame them bc they are trying to do me right. I do appreciate the fact that they were honest enough to tell me that the engine was bad and didnt give it me anyway. I just hope i get it in time before xmas. thanks for you guys' comments

oh and i forgot to mention that i live in a gate communtiy, so i lack the space and the HOA would not let me perfrom an sr swap, also my garage is already occupied with my z32tt and my moms car in it. thats another factor why i am not able to perform an engine swap.

[MainEvent212]

Holy Shiznit, that was funny!

shameful isnt it? my jokes suck

[BuudWeizErr]

OFF-TOPIC: Dude your a dumbass, how many times do you have to get OWNED on this board before you stfu and at least try to learn something.

:thumbup

[Turb0wned]

shoot them......... lol just playing you dont know anyone that can do it for u?

[turboex]

I chose JPR motorsports ,but i was reffered there by people that have friends that say they did a good job on their H22 swap and it only took 2 weeks, and they have performed other swaps before, ive seen some of his clinets cars and tehyre pretty clean. I know, never rely on a 2nd hand source by a friend. I just need to know what to say and how to act to tell them to "hurry up" w/o telling them "hurry up i dont care if the car gets ****ed up." I do give them credit for not giving me the ****ed up sr motor, but cmon ive been waiting since October 17! I think ive been patient enough, besides ive already paid half. I REALLY REALLY need my car before next week.

I normally btst out h22 swaps in les than 2 days. and these guys take 2 weeks, that might be half the problem.

[AREITU]

Honda swaps are extremely simple compared to Nissan ones.

The only people I'd trust to do an SR swap into an S13 is McKinney Motorsports, Cartune Motorsports, Unstable Hybrids and that one place in Georgia, Heavy THrottle I think.

Otherwise, given the time, I'd do all the work myself.

[turboex]

Also when i did my sr swap, i started fraday night, had the car all together and runing right by sat night, on sunday i did the s13 frond end conversion. I think there ****ing you around man. should not take over a few days.

[MainEvent212]

holy **** turboex, why are you so awesome?

where do you live. u wanna put an SR in my car some time? lol...seriously tho, i'll pay u dude

[[s3]]

Go get a bunch of rags, soak em in gasoline, go to the shop's lot put rags in all their car's gas tank.

Light em up and run,

Watch news next day, get insurance $ for totaled car, buy a S13 with SR motor already installed.

No more frustration, plus you end up on top.....maybe on bottom .....if you leave fingerprints.

[turboex]

holy **** turboex, why are you so awesome?

where do you live. u wanna put an SR in my car some time? lol...seriously tho, i'll pay u dude

LOL, I'm an ASE, nuke, flightline, safety, recovery, construction, and fire rescue certifed mechanic for the Air Force. I do swaps for $400 on hondas and $500 for sr20det's if all parts are there. Im In North Dakota. When you work on the crap i have to deal with, small cars are childs play. If you want the same training as me join the airforce and aply for special purpose vehicle mechanic. I hva a good 20 plus swaps under my belt. The last swap i did was for my brother, he drove his dx hatch (civic) up here from south carolina, arived friday, Installed the b16a sat morning, cruzed it sat night, ran it at the track sunday, pushing a 8.7 in the 8th, and the drove it home monday back to south carolina. Fun stuff huh. The bad thing about being a mechanic is that im going back to south carolina for christmas, While there for the week and a half I have a drag 3 turbo kit to install in a b16 crx, a clutch to do im my brothers hatch as he blew it out, and my other brothers timing belt on his 99 civic. Oh well a few beers, with a little Linkin Park in the jam box and they will all be good to go. Heres a pic of my ride, its almost done.

[Nathan]

I only have one question...do I see nipple?

[turboex]

LOL, good eye!

[Nathan]

I've been in training since I was very young

[rob808]

LOL, I'm an ASE, nuke, flightline, safety, recovery, construction, and fire rescue certifed mechanic for the Air Force. I do swaps for $400 on hondas and $500 for sr20det's if all parts are there. Im In North Dakota. When you work on the crap i have to deal with, small cars are childs play. If you want the same training as me join the airforce and aply for special purpose vehicle mechanic. I hva a good 20 plus swaps under my belt. The last swap i did was for my brother, he drove his dx hatch (civic) up here from south carolina, arived friday, Installed the b16a sat morning, cruzed it sat night, ran it at the track sunday, pushing a 8.7 in the 8th, and the drove it home monday back to south carolina. Fun stuff huh. The bad thing about being a mechanic is that im going back to south carolina for christmas, While there for the week and a half I have a drag 3 turbo kit to install in a b16 crx, a clutch to do im my brothers hatch as he blew it out, and my other brothers timing belt on his 99 civic. Oh well a few beers, with a little Linkin Park in the jam box and they will all be good to go. Heres a pic of my ride, its almost done.

damn i wish i had friends like all of you's who have done swaps as if they werent nothing to u guys to help me do a swap on my car when i do decide what motor to get.

Rob

[AREITU]

damn i wish i had friends like all of you's who have done swaps as if they werent nothing to u guys to help me do a swap on my car when i do decide what motor to get.

Rob

Next time, remove the images from your quote.

Get an SR. Affordable, and supported.

[MainEvent212]

that's a beautiful car and your life rocks...can i be you for a weekend? i want an sr swap lol

[The Mic]

*Update*

Well i paid a visit to the shop last night around 6:30.

I got their with my bro to see the work and progress that has been to my car so far. Well jimmy(mechanic whos working on my car/owner) wasnt there when i got there. I asked when do they think hell be back and they said an hour. so my bro and i went back to his car and we were about to go eat some quiznos bc we were gonna wait it out. across from us i see this guy across the street cleaning an s13 convertible, i tell my bro "see, some people who own 240s still take good care of them bc its a bad *** car " he doesnt know anything about 240s (he owns a z3 and an m3) and he told me it was prob the dealrships (shop is right across from a car dealership).

So i go talk to the guy with the s13 and ask how much hes selling it for and he tells me " oh sorry, no this car is mine and it isnt for sale" well we begin to chat for a while and (its an auto) for a 93 s13 it was in very good shape considering its painted white ( no visible dents) and its has been in 2 major accidents. He tells me he has about $7,500 invested in it and that he loved the car.

Well we chat and i finish it up and go back to my bros car gonna head to quiznos but my bro says he saw jimmy go into the shop. So we go back in and he approaches us. He starts to tell us the what was wrong with the previous motor was that the oil pump was bad and it wouldnt work. Another reason they took so long is bc the employee who he assigned my car to was taking his time , way too much time. Well jimmy told us he had the guy fired bc of that and that he will be working on the car again.

The new sr is in good shape and he gave me an s14 clutch too. since there were no problems with this engine he told me that he would have my car done by today, road test/ install gauges today, and would have it ready by monday morning. this time he sounded pretty honest and i saw some signs that meant they were close to being done. So hopefully ill get my car by monday and ill finally have my car back and ill make the deadline too!

[tl1000sga]

Let us know how it runs.....