John McCain's first wife

[telcoman]

Wonder why this story is not receiving more press coverage?

He is not the maverick that some of the Republicians believe he is.

At least Bill, Hillary, and Chelsie are all together as a family as is John and Elizabeth Edwards. Many go thru rough times but McCain dumped his first wife. What happened to "for better or worse, in sickness and in health".Poor example of leadership INMHO

Some family values guy he is!

Another example of his poor leadership skills in regards to Georgia, I'll leave that topic for another day.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem....html

Telcoman

[skylndrftr]

this should get interesting

I've had this discussion before...actually got the response (which to this day makes me laugh):

"Well she wasn't able to walk when he came back from war. It happened while he was serving his country that makes it ok"

[rn79870]

It really is a double standard. If the guy runs around behind his wife's back, he's secretly admired. If the wife runs around behind the husbands back, she's a cheap @#^%!@# $!#*

Maybe we should call the guys @#^%!@# $!#* 's too.

[AZhitman]

I won't say much on this, except:

Certainly not respectable behavior if it's as reported... As a strong proponent of marriage, in its traditional sense, I cringe at the thought.

On the other hand, this opens up all candidates' past relationships for scrutiny, something I'd think the Left would oppose... Isn't it the party of "Stay outta my private life"?

[Eikon]

You're just joking right Telco?

Because I can't imagine you'd actually equate a broken marriage due to infidelity to a lack of leadership?

If you're really equating one thing to the other, that would mean that if you were president you would for example... Not fire your secretary of defense for sharing state secrets with your enemies. You'd keep him/her on staff because you made them a promise when you hired them.

You find me evidence that HE cheated on his wife, then I might lose a bit of respect for him. But your speculation of what happened in a personal relationship years ago and how that relates to his ability to lead our country.... doesn't add up.

In the future, rather than spewing BS that only backs up your agenda to hate McCain, why don't you try to actually bring up some topics that are newsworthy and interesting.

[srellim234]

In his 2002 memoir, "Worth the Fighting For," McCain wrote that he had separated from Carol before he began dating Hensley.

"I spent as much time with Cindy in Washington and Arizona as our jobs would allow," McCain wrote. "I was separated from Carol, but our divorce would not become final until February of 1980."

An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did not sue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his court petition that he and his wife had "cohabited" until Jan. 7 of that year -- or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.

Although McCain suggested in his autobiography that months passed between his divorce and remarriage, the divorce was granted April 2, 1980, and he wed Hensley in a private ceremony five weeks later. McCain obtained an Arizona marriage license on March 6, 1980, while still legally married to his first wife.

_the Jed Report

[AZhitman]

I dno't even think it's that he hates the candidate - I think he gets all aggro at ANYONE from the right.

Why should you even care? Your party doesn't protect the sanctity of marriage anyway. Your party doesn't want God involved in anything, opposes anything "family-values oriented", and protects all manner of illicit and immoral behavior.

[rn79870]

You find me evidence that HE cheated on his wife, then I might lose a bit of respect for him. But your speculation of what happened in a personal relationship years ago and how that relates to his ability to lead our country.... doesn't add up.

It is pretty well documented that he did cheat on Carol McCain while married to her.

"I spent as much time with Cindy in Washington and Arizona as our jobswould allow," McCain wrote. "I was separated from Carol, but ourdivorce would not become final until February of 1980."

An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did notsue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his courtpetition that he and his wife had "cohabited" until Jan. 7 of that year-- or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsme...1.php

and

John McCain had a well-documented affair on his first wife, with his current wife. He has admitted in the books he has written about his life that he ran around with several different women while still married to his first wife. And don't forget that he left her for a younger, richer woman - multi-millionaire Cindy Hensley who is now Cindy McCain - after she had been severely hurt in a car accident.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/....html

Cindy isn't running for office, but seriously, she isn't first lady material. There are other things too, besides her being a home wrecker, that we don't need to go into. After all, she's not running for office.

I'm only pointing this out because the "other side" seems to think Clinton, Edwards and Kennedy were the evil ones.

[Eikon]

I actually like Edwards, enough that his extra-marital issues don't make me hate him.

Thought admittedly, I did hold that againt Clinton while he was in office.

I guess if it's a person that I like to begin with, the extra-marital stuff doesn't dissuade me from liking them. If it's a person who I dislike to begin with, that issues is great fuel for the flames.

I'll admit that i'm two-faced on this topic.

[telcoman]

I actually like Edwards, enough that his extra-marital issues don't make me hate him.

Thought admittedly, I did hold that againt Clinton while he was in office.

I guess if it's a person that I like to begin with, the extra-marital stuff doesn't dissuade me from liking them. If it's a person who I dislike to begin with, that issues is great fuel for the flames.

I'll admit that i'm two-faced on this topic.

Eikon

Personally, I don't have a problem with Edwards or the Clintons.

What bothers me is when you have political candidates that subcribe to a party platform that preaches family and triditional values and then violates what they preach leaves them open to plenty of critisizim.

There is a long list of republicians that preach hate against any group that does not conform to their beliefs of traditional marrage between a man and a woman and then go out and engage in homosexual conduct as well as molesting children. There is a shorter list of democrats.If you are going to represent the party that preaches traditional values bs and then dump your wife for a hot rich younger woman, that INMHO is not proper for a candidate for the president of the United States.The republician right made plenty of noise over Bill Clintons indescretion with Monica that was between consenting hetrosexual adults.If Hillary and Elizabeth got over it so should the ones on the right still complaining and bringing it up.Why is that scumbag Larry Craig still in Congress?

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

Why should you even care? Your party doesn't protect the sanctity of marriage anyway. Your party doesn't want God involved in anything, opposes anything "family-values oriented", and protects all manner of illicit and immoral behavior.

I think *I* brought up the hypocrisy of this first.

Doesn't mean I condone what J-Mac did.

BTW, to say someone is "not First Lady material" is just ludicrous.

"First Lady" means nothing more than the woman who's married to the POTUS. The only requirements are the proper chromosomal makeup and a pulse. No one's electing a family, this ain't a monarchy.

[skylndrftr]

Your misrepresentsing peopels views Hitman

God- I don't want to deal with him, that means in the thigns I am involved with. If you to have an orgy be my guest, if you wanna lie on the floor and twitch and moan to make him like you be my guest. Just don't make me

Family values - we don't object to family values, we object to YOUR values beign called MY family's values and beyond the fact that your forcing them down our throats, we don't like the word FAMILY beign used to practice hatred of peopel with whose private lifestyle you disagree.

illicit and immoral - YOUR morals are not MY morals. But if you can't be trusted to hold yourself to your own morals, well then you can't be trusted. I think its immoral to teach lies to children...but we've already had that arguement.

The republican party forced through an impeachment of a sitting president for somethign they considered immoral (notice thats the real reason you know that as well as I do). When they thenas chose to run a candidate for that office who has done THE SAME THING, it has to make you wonder whether they and their supporters really believe it, or are just using using the words like GOD and FAMILY and MORALS solely for political gain.

[AZhitman]

Your misrepresentsing peopels views Hitman

God- I don't want to deal with him, that means in the thigns I am involved with. If you to have an orgy be my guest, if you wanna lie on the floor and twitch and moan to make him like you be my guest. Just don't make me

Family values - we don't object to family values, we object to YOUR values beign called MY family's values and beyond the fact that your forcing them down our throats, we don't like the word FAMILY beign used to practice hatred of peopel with whose private lifestyle you disagree.

illicit and immoral - YOUR morals are not MY morals. But if you can't be trusted to hold yourself to your own morals, well then you can't be trusted. I think its immoral to teach lies to children...but we've already had that arguement.

The republican party forced through an impeachment of a sitting president for somethign they considered immoral (notice thats the real reason you know that as well as I do). When they thenas chose to run a candidate for that office who has done THE SAME THING, it has to make you wonder whether they and their supporters really believe it, or are just using using the words like GOD and FAMILY and MORALS solely for political gain.

Not at all. I may not be representing YOUR views, but I also didn't attribute them to you. I didn't say, "Todd believes this and Todd does that".

Nowhere in my post did I imply that I support forcing my views on anyone else. It's not hatred, it's disgust... I object to the erosion of the institution of marriage, regardless of WHO does it... queers, straight people, presidential candidates, everyone.

Nowhere did I mention anything about "lying to children", which is another thing I don't believe in. But feel free to sit your 6-year-old in front of some p0rn so they can earn about sex.... Besides, even if I DID say something about "lying" to kids (wherever that came from), at least I place some value on their lives... unlike some who just abort the inconvenience.

Lastly, I don't speak for all of WJC's detractors, but my issue with him was NOT one of "immorality". If I had to sleep next to Hillary's butchass I'd be porking some chubby intern too. MY issue with him was that he looked into the camera and lied like a chickenshlt teenager. Repeatedly.

My post was directed at telco, who's sitting up here like Billy Graham all of a sudden. It made me LOL.

[Soravia]

I'm a usual dem supporter except for obliviously lame hands out and stuff like this.

What McCain did is the signs of the times. It is nothing wrong that he got married a short time before the legalization of his divorce. There were already separated, the road was already paved. No god nor heaven can stop them nor should stop them.

If you have to fault McCain for that, look in the mirror and tell yourself that you never had sex before marriage, or that you never dated an underage person (regardless of your own age).

People want to find fault in others who don't agree with them are not the same as people who find fault in others because the others don't follow their principle.

I'll take McCain with 20 divorces and 5 underage girlfriends (17-16, etc, not 12) over Barack Hussein Obama calling his own dear grand mother who raised him 'a typical white woman who is afraid of black men walking on the street' 'words that made me cringe' just to say that Rev. Wright 'is like my uncle'.

That's CHARACTER.

[szh]

I actually like Edwards, enough that his extra-marital issues don't make me hate him.

Thought admittedly, I did hold that againt Clinton while he was in office.

Extra-marital issues do not concern me - that is a human problem. However, public lying about it does - that is a judgement issue. So, IMHO, both Clinton and Edwards fail on that, unfortunately.

In McCain's case, if he was separated from the first wife at the time that the alleged infidelity occured, then that does not concern me either. That is not an indicator of a failure of leadership.

Z

[srellim234]

Whatever their differences were, McCain was still living with and was still married to his first wife for at least 9 months while he was "cheating" on her and had not even filed for divorce yet. He went as far as getting a marraige license to marry his second wife while he was still married to the first. Yes, they were getting a divorce but they were still married.

Sorry, I take my vows very seriously. I wouldn't dream of cheating on my wife while we are still married. And I've had ample opportunity being a travelling athlete and travelling businessman for many years. Yes, we've had some serious problems over the 30 years of marraige (as of the end of this month), but you try to work them out and you don't give up or add fuel to the fire until it's all the way over.

I see a marraige vow every bit as seriously as an oath of office. Can you trust the man to live up to it? Is he as good as his word?

[rn79870]

^ not only that, McCain admitted to running around with other women while he was married to Carol. Food for more thought.

[rn79870]

Extra-marital issues do not concern me - that is a human problem. However, public lying about it does - that is a judgement issue. So, IMHO, both Clinton and Edwards fail on that, unfortunately.Z

I can understand the lying more than the act. At least by lying it might be said that he was trying to protect someone. If he could cheat on his wife and not feel any remorse for it, he probably lacks that little moral fiber that makes a man an exceptional leader.

[skylndrftr]

Not at all. I may not be representing YOUR views, but I also didn't attribute them to you. I didn't say, "Todd believes this and Todd does that".

No you didnt (but if you notice I never said that). What you (your party) does is actually far worse than telling me my beliefs. Your telling me my beliefs are irrelevant because your going to decide what our believes should be.

Quote »Nowhere in my post did I imply that I support forcing my views on anyone else. It's not hatred, it's disgust... I object to the erosion of the institution of marriage, regardless of WHO does it... queers, straight people, presidential candidates, everyone.[/quote]So you won't be voting for the adulterer over the guy whos been married for decades to the same woman?

Quote »Lastly, I don't speak for all of WJC's detractors, but my issue with him was NOT one of "immorality". If I had to sleep next to Hillary's butchass I'd be porking some chubby intern too. MY issue with him was that he looked into the camera and lied like a chickenshlt teenager. Repeatedly.[/quote]Bull****...did you see the fat hoe he picked? I would hit me up some american gladiator poon before that land of lakes style slut.

Quote »My post was directed at telco, who's sitting up here like Billy Graham all of a sudden. It made me LOL. [/quote]Billy Graham is quite happy to crow when he thinks he holds the moral high ground. Unfortunately when the response to the morality candidate having an adulterous affair on his cancer stricken disabled wife is to attack somebody no longer running...well, hes kinda in the right.

[szh]

I can understand the lying more than the act. At least by lying it might be said that he was trying to protect someone. If he could cheat on his wife and not feel any remorse for it, he probably lacks that little moral fiber that makes a man an exceptional leader.

Hmmm ... interesting viewpoint, I suppose.

But, my point is not whether a politician does something I do or don't like (as long as it is not illegal) - this will always be true for some act or the other by any politician.

It is whether he or she lies about about it afterwards! Quite a different kettle of fish.

Z

[rn79870]

I think we've proven that immorality crosses political lines. People in Washington should be required to check their tools at the door when they enter political office. How many indiscretions have we been bombarded with? Gary Heart in the "monkey business" - remember that one?

Argue this issue anyway you choose, it's a tie. People are just too stupid to be in public life when they're anatomically complete.

[AZhitman]

Whatever their differences were, McCain was still living with and was still married to his first wife for at least 9 months while he was "cheating" on her and had not even filed for divorce yet. He went as far as getting a marraige license to marry his second wife while he was still married to the first. Yes, they were getting a divorce but they were still married.

Sorry, I take my vows very seriously. I wouldn't dream of cheating on my wife while we are still married. And I've had ample opportunity being a travelling athlete and travelling businessman for many years. Yes, we've had some serious problems over the 30 years of marraige (as of the end of this month), but you try to work them out and you don't give up or add fuel to the fire until it's all the way over.

I see a marraige vow every bit as seriously as an oath of office. Can you trust the man to live up to it? Is he as good as his word?

I concur with this 100%.

I am also of the "antiquated" belief that divorce is not to be taken lightly, and would argue that it is ONLY appropriate in cases of abuse or infidelity... not "we just don't like each other anymore".

However, this is MY view and I woundn't "force" it on anyone.

For the record, I do NOT approve of J-Mac's behavior in this instance. In this ONE case, I have a greater respect for Senator Obama.

I stand by my contention that lying about it is (for a politician) a greater transgression than the adultery itself. I'd prefer a defiant, cavalier attitude than a cowering puss-out anyday.

"Yep, I did it. Bent her right over the desk in the Oval Office. Who wouldn't? I regret it now, but I'll deal with that when I get home tonight."

^ Crass? Sure. But I'd respect that more than lie on top of lie.

[szh]

I stand by my contention that lying about it is (for a politician) a greater transgression than the adultery itself.

Yup! Exactly my point too!

Z

[srellim234]

Does that include lying in a book about your life, even when you've had time to research what goes in it and reconcile the facts with public records? McCain lied every bit as much as the other guys.

[skylndrftr]

^ Crass? Sure. But I'd respect that more than lie on top of lie.

Not with his taste in women

[ishkabibble]

doesn't want God involved in anything, opposes anything "family-values oriented", and protects all manner of illicit and immoral behavior.

Sounds like someone a Republican Congressman would vote for!

[Beancooker]

Dems and repub are both to blame. I have said it before, I am neither a dem or a repub.

I am not a right or left sitter. I fall somewhere in between I don’t know, and I don’t give a flying ****. I fly the American Flag in front of my house. Most people assume that I am very right sitting because of this. That is an assumption made from statistics, since most Democrats and Liberals do not fly the flag. I fly the flag because I believe in our country, not because I like who the current President is. I supported our country while we had a pot smoking adulterer in office, and I still support our country while we have a cokehead war monger in office. I’ll continue to support our country when the next drug induced psychopath takes the reigns.

If I had to label myself, it would be “Patriot”. So that there is no misunderstanding, here is the definition, as copied directly from dictionary.com:1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

That is about as close as you can get to finding a perfect label for me.

The biggest problem is that people want to take away from the fact that our country was founded on Christian beliefs, and God is a part of our entire moral structure in this country.

The founding fathers are probably rolling and ****ting themselves in their graves at the bull**** like political correctness that we have. We can't say "Merry Christmas" because it could offend a Muslim or a Jewish person. Don't like it, GTFO. I'm all for diversity, but somewhere you have to draw the line.

Like I said, I'm going to STFU, before I say too much.

[audtatious]

you must repent for being a proud American. The rest of the world is not us so we must change to be more like them because we are different than they are different to us so they must be right which makes us wrong.

Get it now?

Sheesh

[Beancooker]

Dude, we set the pace for the rest of the world. Jump on board, or fall off. Right or wrong, we are the only real superpower left. Our allies are all "well to do" and our enemies are 3rd world countries. Notice a pattern?

[audtatious]

Russia say FU as they work to take over the world

Hey, Obama says we should give and give and give to the UN so I guess he will be the first World President