JGS KA24DE turbo kit for $1499.99 questions

[Bosrudorfer]

Hi Guys,

I am thinking of getting myself the JGS KA24DE turbo kit for $1499.99. The kit includes:

Turbonetics .50 trim T3/T04E turbo (.63 or .48)KA24DE turbo manifoldJGS400 wastegateKA24(D)E downpipe and wg pipe setT3 mounting studsJDG KA24E oil feed & return line kitTurbo cementEGR plugPower Steering Resivore Relocation kitExhaust wrap and clamps for downpipe

Now some parts of course are not included so I'll have to find the following parts elsewhere:

SR20DET intercooler - I figure $100 bucks all other with piping done370CC injectors (however 550 are recommended in kit) - $100 bucksManagement (piggy back) system - deciding between Greedy E-Manage ($200) or JimWolfTech ECU tuned ($600)Walbro 190 Fuel pump - $100 bucksStock MAF - free (kit recommends Z32 maf but maybe later)

I already have a catback exhaust system with 2.25 piping and 3" tip.

The kit will run me $1500 + other parts $500 = $2000 for kit. + $500 for install = $2500. I only want to spend max $2750.

What do you guys think? I dont need anything extremely fast and mostly anything under $3000 installed and over 200hp.

Thanks

[hnugen]

That's a good start with the JGS kit!

If you live in a big metro area, ask people for turbo parts. That's what I did and I saved a ton of money. If you go to a junkyard, pull all the hoses, clamps, IC piping, couplers you can possibly find. Do that instead of paying $3.59 for 2 screw clamps at the RiceZone or $15 for some couplers. The piping can be used as IC pipe or dump elbow when you start fabbing it. Your targets are Volvo turbos. I bought 2 oil coolers for $20 I fabbed my intercooler pipes from Ebay intake kits and various intakes that my ex-ricer buddies gave me. Would you buy an Ebay intake with 4 bends and accessories for $30 shipped or pay $25 for a mild steel/aluminum bend? If you dont want to dish out $100 for some oil lines, go to the local truck-parts or fittings specialty shops in town. They can make you hoses and get you fittings for the low low. Do not buy the E-manage until you can find a shop in town that can tune it. Get a SAFC or a rom tune. Get an Ebay gauge pod and buy some used gauges locally. XAT Racing has 255lph Walbro for $90 (google the site, it's a shop in S. Florida)

Now that I think about it, I fabbed up everything on my car

[GEO]

lol ^ jew

[Bosrudorfer]

lol ^ jew

Huh?

[GEO]

I like the kit, but I would advise and get a TiaL wastegate... Precision intercooler kit and a a better fuel pump.. a Walbro 190 is not going to cut it. OPT for the high flow 255. Everything else seems good, get some manifold gaskets for between head and exhaust manifold,a lso between wastegate and manifold. I think they are delagate gaskets.
Modified by GEO at 9:09 PM 3/22/2006

[daconkiftador]

Ive actually heard some good reviews about the JGS wastegate, but if your piecing the kit together individually id go with a tial.

[Bosrudorfer]

I like the kit, but I would advise and get a TiaL wastegate... Precision intercooler kit and a a better fuel pump.. a Walbro 190 is not going to cut it. OPT for the high flow 255. Everything else seems good, get some manifold gaskets for between head and exhaust manifold,a lso between wastegate and manifold. I think they are delagate gaskets.

Modified by GEO at 9:09 PM 3/22/2006

Yep I decided yesterday to go instead with the Walbro 255 instead of the 190. Cool so I have FINALLY decided on a kit!!!

Ive actually heard some good reviews about the JGS wastegate, but if your piecing the kit together individually id go with a tial.

As for the wastegate I'm going to keep the JDG wastegate since it comes with the kit anyhow.

[hnugen]

lol ^ jew

Also, the 2.25" exhaust is too restritive.

[fiznat]

Looks good. JGS seems to put out some pretty quality stuff, I'm sure their kit is excellent.

Where do you plan on getting an E-Manage for 200 bucks? It costs a little more than that, and keep in mind that you'll have tuning/dyno costs also.

Are you not planning on using a blow off valve?

Looking good though. You seem to have all the big stuff covered (besides the BOV), and your $500 install budget seems more than reasonable for all the little minor things that will come up. Go for it!

[Bosrudorfer]

Looks good. JGS seems to put out some pretty quality stuff, I'm sure their kit is excellent.

Where do you plan on getting an E-Manage for 200 bucks? It costs a little more than that, and keep in mind that you'll have tuning/dyno costs also.

Are you not planning on using a blow off valve?

Looking good though. You seem to have all the big stuff covered (besides the BOV), and your $500 install budget seems more than reasonable for all the little minor things that will come up. Go for it!

Honestly the management is the only part I haven't fully decided on. I could go with Greddy, or AEM, or JimWolfTech, or even A'pexi. I do have to be careful though because where I live they do OBD-II and sniff testing.

I forgot about the blow off valve *doh* guess that's another $150. I have seen some blitz go for $100 locally.

Thanks guys!

[2FourTee]

Also, the 2.25" exhaust is too restritive.

Proof??? I can see someone saying that a 3 inch would be better, as it would.... but a 2.25 inch being too restrictive to run a turbo...??

Come on now....

ANd to the original poster, I am thinking about the same kit and I am going with either an SAFC or an Enthalpy tune. ENthalpy tunes are the same price as JWT with faster turn around time (you could wait a long, long time for JWT) and a safe, but much less conservative tune. (Lots of people have complained of JWT tunes running way too rich, like 10:1 and richer.)

[teddy]

Where do you plan on getting an E-Manage for 200 bucks? It costs a little more than that

I picked up my emanage with the main harness, injector harness, ignition harness, support software and the serial cable for $250 shipped. It was used of course. Granted that didn't cost $200 on the dot, and actually a little more, but pretty close for quite a bit of equipment. Unless he's referring to the Ultimate..which would cost a bit more than $200

And to the original poster, I am thinking about the same kit and I am going with either an SAFC or an Enthalpy tune. ENthalpy tunes are the same price as JWT with faster turn around time (you could wait a long, long time for JWT) and a safe, but much less conservative tune. (Lots of people have complained of JWT tunes running way too rich, like 10:1 and richer.)

I completely agree on Enthalpy being the better rom tune. Not saying that JWT is bad in any sense, but their tunes really are on the more conservative side, and I know that people have complained about having some dead spots in the tune. I'm not sure if they've fixed this issue, but I know the Enthalpy tunes have been proven over and over to make good power while still being safe. Granted, his ka-t rom tunes are newer, but he's about as intelligent as they get with tuning, and if theres anything wrong will fix it for you.

I also say stick with the JGS wastegate. They make quality products. I see no reason to toss it. Plus, the wastegate comes with multiple springs doesn't it? Whereas the Tial, you have to purchase additional springs.

[SeVa-S13]

I forgot about the blow off valve *doh* guess that's another $150. I have seen some blitz go for $100 locally.

Thanks guys!

Screw that, get a 1g DSM recirc valve for like $30 max, and some flex hose to recirc with, or just run a blowthrough MAFS. I guess you could also compensate with whatever management you choose but I haven't always had the best results with crappy "Dec Air" settings.

[hnugen]

Proof??? I can see someone saying that a 3 inch would be better, as it would.... but a 2.25 inch being too restrictive to run a turbo...??

Come on now....

ANd to the original poster, I am thinking about the same kit and I am going with either an SAFC or an Enthalpy tune. ENthalpy tunes are the same price as JWT with faster turn around time (you could wait a long, long time for JWT) and a safe, but much less conservative tune. (Lots of people have complained of JWT tunes running way too rich, like 10:1 and richer.)

So...what are you asking me? The 2.25" exhaust is too restrictive to run a turbo and will cause too much back pressure. Good luck getting Enthalpy to chip your ECU. He's been real busy lately and hardly has time to reflash ECU.

[2FourTee]

So...what are you asking me? The 2.25" exhaust is too restrictive to run a turbo and will cause too much back pressure.

Will his engine blow up???? Will his car overheat??? How many turbo 240's have you had and what harm has the "super-restrictive" 2.25 inch exhaust caused????

Have you ever checked the exhaust of a factory turbo car, man??? A factory equipped Silvia from Japan doesn't even have a 3 inch exhaust, and many turbo 240's (KA-T's) have done very well off of 2.25 inch exhausts. There are a few 240's out there (again KA-T's) that have put down over 200 whp with a USDM KA24DE factory exhaust, which is more power than he is asking for (200 whp). Prove to me that his car will not run well because of .75 inch less exhaust diameter.

I'll even repeat myself and say that a 3 inch exhaust would be better, but I absolutely guarantee WITHOUT A DOUBT that you cannot prove that a 2.25 inch exhaust is "TOO RESTRICTIVE" to run a turbo KA safely.

I'll bet $50 Paypal that you can't prove it. Before you take that bet, realize what you are saying... that a 2.25 inch exhaust is... "too restrictive to run a turbo (KA-T)".....

Find that proof and you just won $50!!!!

Good luck getting Enthalpy to chip your ECU. He's been real busy lately and hardly has time to reflash ECU.

Last time I checked, JWT had a 6+ week turn around. Is Enthalpy's more??????

When exactly was the last time you spoke to Scott?? Did he say exactly how far behind he was on his ECU tunes???? I heard he just started a new job. Did he say how that was going?
Modified by 2FourTee at 10:49 PM 3/23/2006

[fiznat]

Dude, 2FourTee, how many cups of coffee did you have before writing that post! Geez! Relax man.

[MarkEmark]

Dude, 2FourTee, how many cups of coffee did you have before writing that post! Geez! Relax man.

Haha, or mg of adderall, or lines of coke...lol

I agree, you can make plenty of power (200+) with a 2.25" exhaust.

I'm doing just fine with 2.5"...the tendency is always "bigger is better" which certainly is not always the truth. If you're looking for 400 whp, 3" is definitely advisable, but for only 200, 2.25" is ample.

[nismofly]

youd get more power out of a 3" yes, same boost level probably another 15 hp

but will it be bad for the engine? no

[emperor_lunchbox]

Ok, I realize the irony, but wasnt this post about the JGS kit?Not exhaust diameter AGAIN!!!!

[Florida240sx]

1st EMPEROR make your sig smaller.In response to the thread don't forget about your CLUTCH. Stock one won't hold.

[Poor_S13_Driver]

I know this has no valuablity but i recall reading about a 900HP Z32 making it on a 2.5inch exhaust not to continue on the exhaust topic(which im doing) but i had to chime in for no other reason because im bored

[nismofly]

again, bigger IS better, thats true

but will your engine explode because of the smaller exhaust, no

Bosrudorfer you might want to see if they can substitue a smaller turbo, youll be making 200 at about 4 psi with that setup

[Florida240sx]

Was it dual 2.5? Find it hard to beleive 900hp on 2.5....Only understand that if they were trying to make a point. On my Ka-t running 4.5psi, I melted my factory exhaust system.Once I put in the test pipe, my car was choked, once i disconected stock exhaust and ran off just the test pipe the car carried power all through the power band.

[2FourTee]

Dude, 2FourTee, how many cups of coffee did you have before writing that post! Geez! Relax man.

LOL! Actually I had one too many cups of JD and Coca-Cola. No more drunk internet posting for me!!!

I just thought that was a silly thing to say and went a little overboard on my response.

Sorry

[SLde_Show_Enthusiast]

Install the kit yourself and save $500

[s10cky]

word. its not hard. it all bolts on...

[PencilShavings]

LOL! Actually I had one too many cups of JD and Coca-Cola. No more drunk internet posting for me!!!

I just thought that was a silly thing to say and went a little overboard on my response.

Sorry

Why on earth do you mix Jack? To me, anything other then on the rocks is a sin.

[Bosrudorfer]

Bosrudorfer you might want to see if they can substitue a smaller turbo, youll be making 200 at about 4 psi with that setup

Are you talking about me going with the .63 or .48?

And THANKS for the the helpful info guys!

[nismofly]

if you go with the .48 youll be able to hit 200 at very low boost

i was going to say either ask them to substitute a straight t3, seeing as it is a turbonetics turbo they include to begin with

or if you run the .48, youll be making more than 200, if thats not a problem its ok, but the straight t3 will make the same power and spool faster, it wont be until mid to upper 200's that the t3/t04e really starts to overshadow the t3

[hnugen]

Will his engine blow up???? Will his car overheat??? How many turbo 240's have you had and what harm has the "super-restrictive" 2.25 inch exhaust caused????

Have you ever checked the exhaust of a factory turbo car, man??? A factory equipped Silvia from Japan doesn't even have a 3 inch exhaust, and many turbo 240's (KA-T's) have done very well off of 2.25 inch exhausts. There are a few 240's out there (again KA-T's) that have put down over 200 whp with a USDM KA24DE factory exhaust, which is more power than he is asking for (200 whp). Prove to me that his car will not run well because of .75 inch less exhaust diameter.

I'll even repeat myself and say that a 3 inch exhaust would be better, but I absolutely guarantee WITHOUT A DOUBT that you cannot prove that a 2.25 inch exhaust is "TOO RESTRICTIVE" to run a turbo KA safely.

I'll bet $50 Paypal that you can't prove it. Before you take that bet, realize what you are saying... that a 2.25 inch exhaust is... "too restrictive to run a turbo (KA-T)".....

Find that proof and you just won $50!!!!

Last time I checked, JWT had a 6+ week turn around. Is Enthalpy's more??????

When exactly was the last time you spoke to Scott?? Did he say exactly how far behind he was on his ECU tunes???? I heard he just started a new job. Did he say how that was going?

Modified by 2FourTee at 10:49 PM 3/23/2006

holy ****, simmer down man Keep your $50, I dont want it. I've checked the exhaust on plenty of stock turbo cars. Heck, I did the clutch on a WRX this weekend. 2.25" is not restrictive if you're running a weeny turbo but it is if you put a turbo on your KA. You can run whatever you want but I run 3" all the way back to let my motor breath. I dont need to prove anything. Look at how much a t3/t04E flows and how much your head flows and tell me it's not sensible to run 3" I'm just going to use common sense right now. I'll get back with you if I ever find some test equipments