Jesda I took your concept to whole new level. This is a synthetic symphony.

[kornmanz]

You arent helping me. I do not want your so called "help". You are very dumb lol. I can go and quote your posts where you specifically said that time equals talent and if I didnt know that I'm a noob.

To me. You are the noob. You make no music, you arent signed to any label, your friends did some label back in the 80's and well overall you're just a douche.

So like I've stated before. Bounce out of my thread and dont return buddy.

And I know why I'm making music.

BECAUSE I CAN AND ENJOY EVERYTHING I MAKE. I NEVER CLAIM ITS GOLDEN. I LET THE MUSIC DO THE TALKING.

And I'll do it my way mmkay thanks.

Made this in less than 3 hours. Bite me empty v and go troll elsewhere or I'll contact the admins to get you out of here.

http://soundcloud.com/djz/elektro

[ProudNissanFreak]

Theory isn't a necessity to improve upon something in the art industry. Yeah, it may be interesting to know it, but that's all it's good for to me. I'm an artist and have absolutely no use for theory. My work comes from whatever's flowing through my head, not trying to remember what some teacher or professor said about the physics of moving a pencil and how that's going to affect the way I draw.

My grandfather was an artist as well. He never went to school for art, nor did he take any classes art related. A few years later, he became a prominent artist in Northern India. He was famous for designing temples, parks among other things all through trial and error.

Society has put too much emphasis in having theory bulls*** in all forms of art. You don't need to understand the physics of strings on a violin nor being able to recognize or draw notes in order to create good music.

[Razi]

I really like this Korn!

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

While Empty V does have some good advice (Taking music theory classes is a must IMO) it came off as a little elitist.And if you are going to incorporate piano and classical music into your work...you really should look into doing so.Like he said there are some parts in there where it goes flat and just plain sounds wrong.I'm sure some editing will iron that out though.I agree...you really should take some music writing and composition classes.If anything it will help you organize better. Just because you create techno does not mean you can ignore music theory.

Yeh...listening to it again with my national fiddler-GF...there are a some off chords and notes throughout the piece. Sounds cool though.

[kornmanz]

Yeah I agree that some real music composition classes would help. Thats why I took them. I'm now better at Ableton live than the instructor is. I will look into music theory classes next semester in the fall. The school I go to does not have a big music section but at least they have it.

To me its like telling a person who draws how to draw.

[Niccolo]

To everyone here, what Empty V was right. Kornmanz embarrassed himself in front of a whole forum because of the same attitude that he showed towards Empty V.

But here, I'll let you be the judge, also feel free to browse his post history.http://www.djforums.com/forums...24574

http://www.djforums.com/forums...24217

He uses 3 different kinds of pirated software, Reason, FL Studio, and Ableton. He's not a serious producer in anyway.

Quote »I'm using samples and FL studio (to create my synth riffs)

And yeah I do this every single day, and will continue to do it. I work hours on my music. Whether or not its good alot of time goes into each track.[/quote]Quote »No this is a track stevie. lol. I made this. In ableton. From scratch.[/quote]Quote »On tuesday I'm replacing my midi keyboard to start using reason again. There isnt anything against using samples. In fact every producer uses them.[/quote]Eventually we just couldn't stand his attitude anymore, so he voluntarily left... Looks like he's doing a good job venting on here.

Just letting you all know so that you see who you're dealing with.

[kornmanz]

lololololol.

Oh the DJF stuff comes to haunt me again.

And cracked software totally means I'm not a good and serious producer. It doesnt mean I'm poor as dirt at all.

In fact tons upon tons of producers I know use cracked software.

Everyone. The people on DJForums.com think just like empty v that they know everything and their word is golden. They've been constantly bashing me and my music for the last 2 years and I got tired of their bulls***. None of them are signed xcept 2 people and those people do not do any talking.

Serious producers dont go foruming and dealing with this BS mr niccolo. Obviously your not a serious producer yourself too.

One of the guys over there at DJF said that my music wasnt good enough to teach others. I lol'd.
Modified by kornmanz at 8:32 PM 2/8/2010

[MrNorris]

You actually aren't a good producer kornmanz. 1 year producing + being tone deaf + having a oversized/unjustified ego + saying that you are better than your Ableton teacher (I saw the videos you made, you need to learn waaaay more, specially on how to use Ableton) = NOOB.

My honest advice:

-Music theory classes.-A psychologist to treat your ego issues.-Buying your gear, not pirating it. It seems you blow all your money in cars, but you screw over the music industry.-Stop using sample/loop packs that way, anyone can layer loops in the crappy way you do it.

MrNorris

[kornmanz]

[Jesda]

To everyone here, what Empty V was right. Kornmanz embarrassed himself in front of a whole forum because of the same attitude that he showed towards Empty V.

But here, I'll let you be the judge, also feel free to browse his post history.http://www.djforums.com/forums...24574

http://www.djforums.com/forums...24217

He uses 3 different kinds of pirated software, Reason, FL Studio, and Ableton. He's not a serious producer in anyway.

Eventually we just couldn't stand his attitude anymore, so he voluntarily left... Looks like he's doing a good job venting on here.

Just letting you all know so that you see who you're dealing with.

I'm going to ignore the rest of the thread (I don't understand what's going on and I don't care, I'm not a musician in the slightest). However, I want to make it clear that artistic legitimacy is NOT defined by the validity of a software license. That's the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever heard.

Carry on with your critique.

[Empty V]

Theory isn't a necessity to improve upon something in the art industry. Yeah, it may be interesting to know it, but that's all it's good for to me. I'm an artist and have absolutely no use for theory.

Art theory and music theory are absolutely 100% completely different. Just because they both have "Theory" in them doesn't mean they're identical. You can't even compare the two. This post has no relevance to what we're discussing, but thanks for your $0.02

[kornmanz]

I'm sorry but you guys and your lame reasoning for talent is pathetic.

Lets see if I get this right.

You guys over there at DJF believe that the following makes a good producer:

-Licensed software-Not using samples (when EVERYONE in the industry uses)<---this makes me lol.

And empty v thinks talent is defined by how long you are doing something.

hmmmm

wrong.

[Empty V]

lololololol.

Oh the DJF stuff comes to haunt me again.

And cracked software totally means I'm not a good and serious producer. It doesnt mean I'm poor as dirt at all.

In fact tons upon tons of producers I know use cracked software.

Everyone. The people on DJForums.com think just like empty v that they know everything and their word is golden. They've been constantly bashing me and my music for the last 2 years and I got tired of their bulls***. None of them are signed xcept 2 people and those people do not do any talking.

Serious producers dont go foruming and dealing with this BS mr niccolo. Obviously your not a serious producer yourself too.

It's funny how someone criticizes you and immediately you attack them as a person. Part of being a mature artist and in fact a mature adult is taking criticism. You're 20 dude, not 14. You should be better then this.

Right when I thought your head couldn't get any bigger you say that you're more proficient then you instructor and this:

One of the guys over there at DJF said that my music wasnt good enough to teach others. I lol'd.

You are right though, you're stuff would be great in showing other students, like yourself, how to create out of key, our of harmony, amateur music. Instead of getting defensive start improving by learning from criticism. For some reason you think that in order to know what sounds good you have to create house music, that's ignorance at it's finest. BTW ignorance is defined as, Lack of knowledge or information

[MrNorris]

No, we believe a good producer is made of:

-Being a good musician and the implications of it, being knowing theory, having some talent (talent doesn't mean s*** if you don't put years into it, empty v is right), being perseverant (you got this one at least), years & years of experience, etc...-Being HUMBLE.-Having at least a bit of respect for people offering advice.-Doing good music, not average s***.-Using samples CREATIVELY, not layering pre-made s*** without a bit of creativity.

You think yourself as the Howard Roark of EDM. The thing is, Howard was portrayed as someone who actually studied the foundation of his art. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I don't care, I'm sure many will.

[Empty V]

While Empty V does have some good advice (Taking music theory classes is a must IMO) it came off as a little elitist.And if you are going to incorporate piano and classical music into your work...you really should look into doing so.Like he said there are some parts in there where it goes flat and just plain sounds wrong.I'm sure some editing will iron that out though.I agree...you really should take some music writing and composition classes.If anything it will help you organize better. Just because you create techno does not mean you can ignore music theory.

Yeh...listening to it again with my national fiddler-GF...there are a some off chords and notes throughout the piece. Sounds cool though.

Sorry if it comes off that way. It's part frustration and part bluntness because I feel the only way for him to understand what I'm trying to convey is by being as direct as possible.

[kornmanz]

mmmmkay pumpkins I create crappy music. Now go the f*** away.

[Koolaid63]

OK OK Lets set this straight for you all......

Kornmanz comes on dj forums posting a new track everyday. They usually arnt to amazing but this has nothing to do with the issue. He seems to think he is te greatest s*** scince sliced bread. We give him decent advice on how to improve and he fires back with " IM THE BEST PRODUCER EVER AND IM SIGNED" What he seems to think is only 2 people signed are actually hundreds of signed artists aswell as labels on the forums. Some of the people giving him advice have been doing this for years and know what they are talking about but he decides to take the "You all suck im not posting here again" route because he knows his music isnt that hot. As said on the forum by another member he has more farewells than cher. He comes crawling back every few days with his "hotest s*** ever' we give advice and it go's and repeats himself.

If he wasnt a douche in the first place we would proboably be a little more sympathetic to the fact his software is illigal aswell as the music hes giving to his labels that they sell making them distributors of illigal media.

Honestly kornmanz, Just give it up man

The skills of a producer have nothing to do with software. just because you use illigal software dosnt make you a s***ty producer. its just allot of trouble and hassle to deal with with all the glitches aswell as being caught.

The music theory on the other hand is a major componant........if its no structure its just noise. for example if we had no skeleton we wouldn be a pile of skin and organs and worthless.

[kornmanz]

You guys are truly epic fail. After all the bulls*** and hate you guys gave me and then you explain it like I'm the dumbass here?

f*** you dude. f*** you and everyone on DJF. You guys are such douche bags you go and make profiles on another forum just to discredit me and my work as you always do.

You haters are so predictable.

[MrNorris]

I create crappy music.

[kornmanz]

[MrNorris]

You guys are truly epic fail. After all the bulls*** and hate you guys gave me and then you explain it like I'm the dumbass here?

f*** you dude. f*** you and everyone on DJF. You guys are such douche bags you go and make profiles on another forum just to discredit me and my work as you always do.

You haters are so predictable.

Better bad publicity than none at all, right?

[iamsad]

To me its like telling a person who draws how to draw.

Not a bad anology but I feel a better one would be how would you expect to write a book if you did not know how to use grammar(Yes I know I don't have great writing skills) Yes you might know some words but you might not know how to put them together in different ways to create different moods etc

You say techno has different harmonies..lol learn what the hell harmony is before talking about it.

Some people don't need theory because the LISTEN to the music & it sounds right..most people do.

Your not even signed to a small label. Example we have EMI, Sony. The we go lower down Virgin etc. Then we go to big dance lables such as toolroom, mau5trap. Then we go to small dance labels such as hardphaze, then we go to even smaller ones which don't get much of a look. Then we go to your extremly small absolute s*** label which probably doesn't get accepted by most online retailers because.. well it's s***. Notice how far down the chain you are? I would consider that lower than most unsigned artists.

Do you even listen to your music? You say you did this in 3 hours... Why what was the point of that? Spend more time on it listening why it doesn't sound good.

Stop saying you have talent.. you don't.

I really could go on but all you will say is lolololololoool

[Empty V]

I'm sorry but you guys and your lame reasoning for talent is pathetic.

Lets see if I get this right.

You guys over there at DJF believe that the following makes a good producer:

-Licensed software-Not using samples (when EVERYONE in the industry uses)<---this makes me lol.

And empty v thinks talent is defined by how long you are doing something.

hmmmm

wrong.

When did anyone define being a good artist by any of those things? Dude never said not to use samples, or that having licensed software instantly makes you a decent artist. And I NEVER once said that time makes you a decent artist. I know lots of artists that have been doing this same exact thing for years and their music still blows. Which you'll prove that to be correct if you don't change your ways.

We stated that those are attributes that you lack, which is okay as long as you improve on them as you gain experience. If you want to have any chance at being successful, as in making a living off of this, the very first thing you need to learn is that you need help. You're too damn thick to evolve on your own so I suggest dropping the ego and find a mentor that you respect to teach and mold you. Study other artists and learn why they do what they do and why it sounds good. That doesn't mean rip them off, which I'm sure you're interpreting it as. Read what we've wrote, thing about it, then reply with an intelligent answer, you'll get much farther in life and make better choices if you do this.

[kornmanz]

Iamsad,

At least your username is fitting to your character.

[MrNorris]

Kornmanz, you should stop making music and dedicate yourself at what you do best: fixing cars. Go to a shop and apply for a job, I bet you'll do much better over there than in music.

[kornmanz]

Empty V. I do not want to "learn" ultimate wisdom from people who do nothing but talk s***. Keep talking s*** keep on keep on I'm never gonna stop.

You know that song "i get knocked down"?

Yeah well I get up again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And well you get the point.

I freaking love that you guys are so intent on bashing me and discrediting me that you go and make accounts on a forum that I've been releasing my music to for the last 2 years.

[kornmanz]

Kornmanz, you should stop making music and dedicate yourself at what you do best: fixing cars. Go to a shop and apply for a job, I bet you'll do much better over there than in music.

[Koolaid63]

Just because your signed dosnt mean your good.

Im not signed nor am i amazing at producing but im getting there because im taking the time to listen to my music and really think. Ive been working on one track for almost 3 weeks now and im still not done. Just listen through your music over and over and over and over......until your ears bleeed and you feel the need to rip of your balls eat them, puke em up and sow em back on while screaming like a little girl. Hard work pays of. One day im gonna be touring alongside major producers and dj's because i put my life into it and i learn because i actually took advice.

plus advice is a SUGGESTION and NOT a COMMAND
Modified by Koolaid63 at 9:19 PM 2/8/2010

[MrNorris]

Empty V. I do not want to "learn" ultimate wisdom from people who do nothing but talk s***. Keep talking s*** keep on keep on I'm never gonna stop.

You know that song "i get knocked down"?

Yeah well I get up again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And well you get the point.

I freaking love that you guys are so intent on bashing me and discrediting me that you go and make accounts on a forum that I've been releasing my music to for the last 2 years.

That "getting up again" thing only applies if you learn from the mistakes which made you fall. You aren't doing this.

[kornmanz]

What mistakes? That I dont let douchebag f***wads like you and your friends push me around?

I mean you are so pathetic you came here to a f***ing car forum to get into an argument with me about how s***ty you think I am.

Grow up dude. Go focus on your productions while I focus on mine. Leave me alone. Just worry about yourself. Stop worrying so much about me.