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Chaotic_Warlord wrote: Them, and everyone else out now, are in it the hip hop game to make money. Whereas back in the day the hip-hop artists and rappers that were out were out to put a light on the strife and hardships of the ghetto's they came from first, the money they got was a bonus. It wasn't until the early 90's that money became a driving factor for artists to come on the scene.

I blame P.Diddy and the Cash Money Millionaires for destroying the hip hop scene and completely changing the game.
I think the commercialization of hip-hop and the selling of it soul to materialism came in the late 90's. Around the time that Raekwon/Ghostface, Biggie & Nas started talking about extremely opulent lifestyles and that fakeazz Mafioso bullsh*t. Right around '97-'97. Previous to that, there was alot more music about either uplifting the community, exposing the evils of 'the system', or "I'm the nicest MC!". But those heavyweights came in a transformed the game into "If you ain't got money, you ain't got sh*t". And Hip-hop has been stagnant ever since.

That's why everybody in the game now is a wannabe paperchaser. Don't get it twisted... the socially conscious rappers are still around. They're just in the underground because they can't get anybody to buy their music. The mindset of the public ain't trying to hear that bullsh*t. They've been conditioned to believe that if it don't make dollars... then it don't make sense. And so the biggest selling acts now write the rules and define whatever Hip-hop is. But it's the public who gives that that power.

Even though hip-hop was been stagnant for such a looong time, there are a few flashes of life in the game. Thank god for artists like Andre 3000 and Kanye. And to be really real here... Wayne and Drake are quietly forcing the evolution of Hip-hop and the entire music industry as we speak...


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simmode1 wrote: Or at least before Drake came along. Drake has the potential to really transform the industry right now, IMO.
This makes me curious. Please elaborate...

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I would not have pictured Brandon liking hip hop.

I'm not going to get into this discussion though, as I have very strong opinions on hip hop.

Carry on.

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93coupe wrote:I would not have pictured Brandon liking hip hop.

I'm not going to get into this discussion though, as I have very strong opinions on hip hop.

Carry on.
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simmode1 wrote: Or at least before Drake came along. Drake has the potential to really transform the industry right now, IMO.
This makes me curious. Please elaborate...
Imma have to compose my thoughts and come back to this one with a reply because it's a big topic on it's own, IMO...

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I'd have to say that artists like TI, Luna, and Eminent are the evolution of the Hip Hop scene. Though I am happy to see that some of the older artists are making a comeback, like Busta Rhymes, N9ne, and Ice Cube. I'd like to see who is in the East Coast underground, just to see if any of my old favorites are there.

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simmode1 wrote: Or at least before Drake came along. Drake has the potential to really transform the industry right now, IMO.
This makes me curious. Please elaborate...
Ok. My opinion is this: Drake is able to draw from this huge torrent of talent to create loyal new fans in a way that hasn't been done before. First off, I don't think the amount of good music that he has given away for FREE is common. I went to his concert last month. I can say without a doubt that just about everyone there, myself included, knew all the lyrics to his material. When you consider the fact that homie had not even released an album, you can see how incredible that is. Based simply off the strength of a slew of free mixtapes that the public gave airplay on the radio (not a label or sales numbers), he went on to take total control of the airways for an entire year. Who else can claim that as a brand new artist?

Personally, the amount of free music that I've enjoyed from Drake actually fosters the kind of loyalty in me, that I'm seriously considering getting his new album LEGALLY (lol). Dude has put in more work than anyone I know of. At one time, I could have sworn the about 6 out of 10 songs on the mainstream Hip-hop stations had Drake on the track....

Also consider the amount of success that he was able to attain even before he signed to Young Money. Drake didn't need Young Money. Young Money needed Drake, so much so that he was given an unprecedented deal/contract ($2 million signing bonus and ownership of his own Master Copies). Otherwise, all they'd really have would be Wayne and Nicki. And with Wayne in jail... Nicki ain't ready to carry the banner yet. Drake is proving that if you hone your artistry and image correctly, you don't need Major Label support to achieve measureable success.

Drake is a quadruple threat: He raps. He sings. He produces. And before he did any of that, he was an Actor, and he will be again - mark my words. I think the big reason that he is crossing so many barriers to reach different fans is that he can't be easily fit into any preset mold for mainstream rappers. He's from the 'burbs. He's been on TV since he was a kid. He jokes about it all the time. He's rolls with thugs, but ain't trying to come off as one. Hell, he's half Jewish! He's been Bar Mitzvah'd! He's showing that you don't need to conform to that street image to fake your way to commercial success.

The public is jaded. We need to see true talent before we support you with our money by buying your albums now & come to your shows. You've gotta convince us why you are worth NOT having us just download your sh*t illegally. So going forward from here, I believe we'll see a higher benchmark of talent required to make it in the game. I think more new artists will follow will Drake's example of releasing mixtapes with every track worthy of being a radio single, instead of just saving your really hot stuff for your album. We want you to give us the hot sh*t now and then go make some more hot sh*t! Stop holding out, if you truely believe in your art!

When this happens... a new business model will truely emerge for the music industry. Because once the artist has done all the hard work of building the fan base(demand) with free mixtapes and they can they sell(supply) the official album digitally... what need is there for traditional distribution routes provided by the Record Labels?

Musical Revolution. Power back in the hands of the people. And before you say homie can only do radio flow... dude can go underground anytime.
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