ITT I'm Allowed To Have a Gun

[krimsonviper]

What that crummy photo is trying to show you is that I now have a gun safety license( ) which allows me to purchase a legal handgun before the Zed Apocolypse. We all know that the 9mm is the most popular ammo choice. Cheap and easy to come by like Razi the Most Uninteresting Man In The World.

I am wanting to get a Springfield XD simply because people have pumped me up to it, and I've only fired a Barretta(which I really liked), but I do want to have more variety so here's NICO's chance to tell me which brands and.or models to look at!

Qualifications by order of importance:
1. Reliability
2. Accuracy
3. Mag versatility
4. Kudos

When I was at the store where I took the test, I held the XD, but never fired it. Last time I was at the range I used the Barretta new model, but I can't remember the name anymore and my friend used the Glock. My Barretta jammed maybe every other mag, which the Glock jammed every 3-5 rounds, so please don't toss me the whole "Glock is super reliable!" spiel without having something to back it up with. The Barretta felt really good and tight in my hands but I never got around to feeling familiar with it, but basically the Barretta is my top choice. I do want variety though!

Recommend away!

[Razi]

We gon git killed!

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

IF the berreta and the glock were jamming that much...don't you think it could be user error?
You limp-wristing it there big fella?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

It's a great time to be a gun owner, product wise. In all honesty, there isn't a bad handgun currently being manufactured by any of the major companies.

Which basically means it comes down to user preference (and politics...f*** you S&W). Permits to buy are totally alien to me. How many can you get with this?

If just one, and you're not using it as a duty or carry pistol, I'd get the greatest pistol ever offered in 9mm: a Browning Hi-Power. If you're not carrying it, not going to be moving thousands of rounds through it, why not buy a functional art piece?



You'll probably have to buy one used, but that's not a bad thing. There's Belgian police issue models floating around that have been well maintained, and have good history.


Oh, and well-maintained Glocks and Berettas don't jam as often as you experienced. There's either operator error (shooting or cleaning) in there, or a bad batch of ammo. Just doesn't happen.

[Dittoz7]

[krimsonviper]

IF the berreta and the glock were jamming that much...don't you think it could be user error?
You limp-wristing it there big fella?

I don't think we were, but I can't really remember. After shooting, I watched youtube vids and read reasons for gun jamming, and found that being limp wristed can cause it, but it was over a year ago and I can't really remember that type of detail.

[krimsonviper]

Permits to buy are totally alien to me. How many can you get with this?

Haven't got a clue. It was a spur of the moment thing. My friend and I just walked in since he was wanting to purchase a shotgun for house protection and we saw the sign that they have the test there and we just took it and passed. I'm gonna go on a limb here and say 5.

If just one, and you're not using it as a duty or carry pistol, I'd get the greatest pistol ever offered in 9mm: a Browning Hi-Power. If you're not carrying it, not going to be moving thousands of rounds through it, why not buy a functional art piece?

I do plan on playing with it quite a bit. Maybe 500 rounds a year? I'm a total Noobert to all of this. Last year was the first time I ever handled any firearm.

Oh, and well-maintained Glocks and Berettas don't jam as often as you experienced. There's either operator error (shooting or cleaning) in there, or a bad batch of ammo. Just doesn't happen.

IMO the place is a popular joint in Elk Grove, so the guns might not have been "well" maintained. I really can't remember anymore.

We gon git killed!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I do plan on playing with it quite a bit. Maybe 500 rounds a year? I'm a total Noobert to all of this. Last year was the first time I ever handled any firearm.

Noob lesson: 500 a year isn't "quite a bit." I'd put 500 through just to break in a new gun!

[krimsonviper]

You serious? That's what, 50 mags. That's just breaking it in? I didn't even know you had to break in a gun.

[tmeyer29]

Beretta PX4 ftw

[Urabus GodofTraction]

You serious? That's what, 50 mags. That's just breaking it in? I didn't even know you had to break in a gun.

Some people drop it to 200 or so. But if you want to be through, and run a bunch of different ammo through it to check for accuracy and feeding reliability, you'll end up passed 500 anyway.

The PX4 is a good gun. Tall though. If you like the rotating barrel lock, but don't want the poly and/or the expense, Stoeger bought Beretta's old tooling and is reproducing the Cougar. Great gun for the money.

[Otto.]

Yeah, a Glock definitely shouldn't be jamming that much. If you're willing to try to forget your bad experience with them, Glock makes a great gun.

If you're not going to be carrying it and only using it for home defense and for fun, then there are tons of different choices.

Specifics?

[PoorManQ45]

To be a proud gun owner:
1: Move out of California
2: Stay away from Illinois

I never understood the thinking behind limiting magazine side. A good competition shooting can change magazines in ~1 second.

[krimsonviper]

Beretta PX4 ftw

Yup, that's the gun that I abused for about an hour. I liked it.

[MaximA32]

Urabus: There are no limits to how many you can own per California Handgun Safety Certificate. Only limit is how many you can buy per 30 day period. The answer to that question is this: 1. You can buy one handgun per 30 days in CA and there are no limits on long guns as far as I remember.

KV: Hit me up on AIM and we can talk guns a bit.

[krimsonviper]

You serious? That's what, 50 mags. That's just breaking it in? I didn't even know you had to break in a gun.

Some people drop it to 200 or so. But if you want to be through, and run a bunch of different ammo through it to check for accuracy and feeding reliability, you'll end up passed 500 anyway.

The PX4 is a good gun. Tall though. If you like the rotating barrel lock, but don't want the poly and/or the expense, Stoeger bought Beretta's old tooling and is reproducing the Cougar. Great gun for the money.

Good to know. How do you know if the accuracy is the gun and not you? Or is it one in the same?

Sounds like I need to buy 4 mags and 4 boxes when I finally purchase a puppy.

Specifics?

Qualifications by order of importance:
1. Reliability
2. Accuracy
3. Mag versatility
4. Kudos

I'm honestly open to the suggestions anyone makes here and I go back and try to find reviews for the guns that are suggested. The gun may be used for house defense, but I'm a little scared of accidentally shooting through a wall. I will definitely be checking with my local law enforcement to see what grain they use and what they recommend for house protection. It's also going to be an occasional recreational thing on the weekends.

I never understood the thinking behind limiting magazine side. A good competition shooting can change magazines in ~1 second.

We're a state full of hippies, can't really explain that either.

[krimsonviper]

KV: Hit me up on AIM and we can talk guns a bit.

I dun haz aim.

Got yahoo messenger though! And text! Which one do you want?

[Red coupe]

I never understood the thinking behind limiting magazine side. A good competition shooting can change magazines in ~1 second.

Not to argue either way about magazine size, but if it is done to limit damage in shooting spree situations your argument kinda sucks.

How many of the bigger incidents were done by competition shooters? Its typically randoms who seem to be, if anything, bad at guns.

[MaximA32]

Yahoo. S/n: kentruff

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Good to know. How do you know if the accuracy is the gun and not you? Or is it one in the same?

Sounds like I need to buy 4 mags and 4 boxes when I finally purchase a puppy.

Sandbag, pistol rest. That's tricky though, because you're not learning to shoot.

I keep forgetting you're a noob. For that, I'd buy huge boxes of cheap FMJ (like Winchester White Box), and learn to shoot that b****.

Then it's time for the fun stuff. For 9mm, I like 115gr +P JHP. Cor-Bon, Federal, Remington, all good stuff. Avoid all "exotic" ammo. Good rule of thumb: if it's got lightening bolts or SWAT teams on the box, don't buy it. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot23.htm

[PoorManQ45]

I never understood the thinking behind limiting magazine side. A good competition shooting can change magazines in ~1 second.

Not to argue either way about magazine size, but if it is done to limit damage in shooting spree situations your argument kinda sucks.

How many of the bigger incidents were done by competition shooters? Its typically randoms who seem to be, if anything, bad at guns.

It was a reference point. It's like saying that a 6 shot revolver is limited by the capacity. Hell no! Speedloaders allow me to reload within a second or two!

I was merely pointing out that if someone wanted to, they'd find a way.

What makes gun control laws even more pointless is that criminals don't obey the laws. That's what makes them criminals

[MaximA32]

The best advice I can give to a new shooter is to take a practical shooting course. It's much easier to learn the good habits from the start than it is to break the bad ones later. Make sure that the course is NRA sponsored/approved.

[krimsonviper]

What makes gun control laws even more pointless is that criminals don't obey the laws. That's what makes them criminals

On this note, I'd like to say that I think how hard it is for a normal everyday gent has so much trouble getting a gun and the ammo, and these sort of people aren't getting them to cause trouble, but to protect themselves or just for recreation. I know half a dozen places to get "throwaways" in my city and it's population is less than 150,000.

[snwbrdr435]

Urabus/Charlieo

I just picked up a high power great way to celebrate Brownings Birthday. I also have this brought back from Europe. Its time to get a 1911.




Jon
I have put numerous rounds through both XDs and Glocks. That being said I like glocks better. A glock 19 is a great starting gun you can carry it and its cheap to shoot. 500 rds a year is truly not alot. We put 2k downrange yesterday. I carry my 19 daily it vanishes in when i use my crossbreed super tuck. Your problem with the guns jamming was probably due to limpwristing, yesterday one of my friends was hungover and didnt feel like shooting his first mag he limpwristed and his glock 17 jammed 14 out of 17 times.

[MaximA32]

He's not going to be able to carry. He lives in the Socialist Republic of California

[snwbrdr435]

Another reason I suggest a glock is how easy it is to take apart/ care for. Shoot it field strip it if you feel obliged and then shoot it some more. I have a 17 that has close to 5k rounds through it without being cleaned.

[krimsonviper]

Man those Hi-Powers look good, but I'm more into the Glock and XD look. Decisions, decisions. I need to go out shooting.

One thing no one has really pointed out are the mags. I know here in the Great State of CA we are only allowed 10 rounds. Are there any mags out there that can be easily modified to accomodate higher capacity and, or that can fit into one gun and then another one without modding?

[snwbrdr435]

He's not going to be able to carry. He lives in the Socialist Republic of California :barfers:

I had to jump through some hoops to be able to carry.


Well then I suggest a glock 17.

[MaximA32]

Man those Hi-Powers look good, but I'm more into the Glock and XD look. Decisions, decisions. I need to go out shooting.

One thing no one has really pointed out are the mags. I know here in the Great State of CA we are only allowed 10 rounds. Are there any mags out there that can be easily modified to accomodate higher capacity and, or that can fit into one gun and then another one without modding?

Not without getting in serious trouble.

[krimsonviper]

>:D
I guess I'll end that inquiry right there then.