Is this how it works on the 240sx boards?

[Wuss]

I emailed night 7 because after a few months of lurking, it seems like he was one of the more "knowledgable" people to ask. I was asking some very basic questions hoping he would help me out.

When he asked me where I would be ordering my clip from, I told him venus-auto. His response was...

"Answers can be found to your questions online...I don't deal with Venus at all and I don't respect them as a business, therefore, you have 2 options: ask Venus for the answers since their discounts should include that info, or find it online."

Now, it may be I'm not just used to how things work on these boards. But, I'm a 4 year member of VWvortex.com, from owning a Golf 1.8turbo, and even for a forum of 50,000+ members, everyone helped everyone else out.

It seems like everyone has a strong opinion about certian motor dealers here, and it also seems like the majority are talking without actually even ever purchasing anything, just from what the mass says.

If the policy here is " if you don't buy something from me, I'm not answering simple questions ", I'm sorry for that. Afterall, I was asking him assuming he was a 240sx enthusiast, not asking him because he owned a "business".

Yeah, I'm a newb, and I have no right to be posting this. It's just that it's very depressing that this is one of my first experiences with a supposed "enthusiast" on these boards. VW community is very close knit, and It seemed like that in this community, until now.

[JonPowell]

Any questions about the RB send my way, I will do what I can. I just did an RB25DET swap into my 89 240sx

[98TURBOKA]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wuss "]"Answers can be found to your questions online...I don't deal with Venus at all and I don't respect them as a business, therefore, you have 2 options: ask Venus for the answers since their discounts should include that info, or find it online."

I'm not sure if that is how he meant it or not. From what I can gather since I've been on NICO, is if someone had a bad experiance they let you know about it, which should help you pick and choose who to deal with so that you don't get screwed. I personaly don't know anything about Venus, but it might be good to check the search button and see if a majority of the comments are good or bad.

[Wuss]

Yeah, I know the first thing people say is "use the search" . Like I said, I'm not a newb to forum culture, and I know the redundant questions that pop up constantly.

Like I said, I've been lurking for several months, and have read any pertinent thread to the RB20 and RB25, and searched. More info I get, more confused I get because everyone has a different opinion on things that should apparently have 1 straight answer.

I did email heavy throttle, and they were very good about helping me out. I emailed Night because I know people seem to have differing views on the same subject, and his basic respons was along the lines of-> if you're not buying a motor from me, I ain't helping you.

In the end, that only hurts him. That's what you get when you have people that do 1 or 2 swaps and decide to start a"business". They're just out to make money without actually knowing how to handle a business or potential customer relations.

What irks me is that at one point, Night was probably on here or somewhere else asking questions and for help, but when it comes full circle, he's all take and no give.

[rtsol]

well, first of all what kind of questions did you ask. if he knows that the answer is online then he may give you an answer like that given the fact he gets over 50 emails a day. if you have any more questions, just post them on the board.

[Redline240]

Yeah thats probaly just Night, its definatly not how this fourm works. I've been researching the RB26 swap for months now and i've talked to a few guys about it and they are a great help...they're not a business, just true enthusists...please don't be turned away because of one guy...

Redline

[hashiriya13]

I think this was covered in another thread(about how people will react to giving up info and it got a little ugly). There are a few ways to do the swap. you do it the cheap way or pay the money to get it done with install kits. As far as wiring there are people on here who do it combining harness's(and will share info) and the way mine is by using the rb harness. I paid to get mine done. More expensive yes, but very trouble free and a very very clean install. Plus my car is my only car so it is driven at minimum 75 miles a day trouble free and could not loose my car far long trying to figure out the bugs. Oh and my stock speedo works. Tach will when the converter comes in. I cant give allot of info on the install (because I didnt do it) but If you have a question I can try to help out. I do have the car with the rb and do have mechanical knowledge. Oh and I used Mckinney Motorsports for the install and all I can say if you want a place with swap knowledge look no further. (and if the words not out yet the RB26 with the twins fit with there kit went to the shop and saw it myself)

[Wuss]

I think this was covered in another thread(about how people will react to giving up info and it got a little ugly).

Yeah, that whole concept of "not giving up info" is brand new to me. Every other car forum I've belonged to is about sharing everything you know. I mean, in the end only good stuff comes out of it, right?

As far as the questions I asked him, I was doing research as to the modifications needed to be done on an s13 to accomodate an RB20 or an RB25.

I have read everything the RB forums has to offer, and it's still either unclear, or there are multiple answers to the same question, which is why I wanted to go straight to the source.3

I got Heavy Throttle's POV, and just wanted a different opinion so I can have everythind down and make my own decision. As of now, I have yet to see a definitive list on the boards of an EXACT list of modifications and fabs needed to accomodate these motors. An RB FAQ would be great for newbs like me.

For those who offered your help, I appreciate it and will definately get in contact with you.

[rtsol]

i dont think he didnt want to give the info, but all these questions im sure get redundant. i bet hes asked that question 20 times a day. wouldnt that be your response with that my of the same questions? in the past he has always been helpful on the board. ive emailed him several times myself, and he was polite and helpful.

[stoops417]

VWVOTEX ROCKS!!!!!:ylsuper

i was a member there for a while with my MKIII VR6 Jetta... VERY nice community... a little large though

[spec-v5150]

i dont think he didnt want to give the info, but all these questions im sure get redundant. i bet hes asked that question 20 times a day. wouldnt that be your response with that my of the same questions? in the past he has always been helpful on the board. ive emailed him several times myself, and he was polite and helpful.

Redundant yes, but its not like he is emailing some joe shmoe. This guy is running a BUSINESS. I called a mechanic about rebuilding my engine/or getting ahead gasket and he was VERY helpful even though I wasnt buying anything from him. He spent at least 20 minutes on the phone with me trying to diagnose the problem and what route to go (get a used engine, get my engine rebuilt or get a new headgasket.) That is what a BUSINESS does. Night, I will say was polite with me. I didnt ask a technical question though. I asked how much was an install. I dont know the circumstances, but if he did all *****y like that, isnt he doing the very thing he bashed HT for......?

[93semax]

, isnt he doing the very thing he bashed HT for......?

Yup... (UH you mean)Talk about being a hypocrite..

Anyway he doesn't have to give you ANY information. He's a buisness and makes money off of these swaps. IT's like asking KFC for their secret recipe . :rolleyes

However since he did bash UH for not giving info he should have given you every bit of detail for the swap.

[spec-v5150]

Yeah my bad.... UH. I mean it is one thing to be a business, but to bash one business (or two in the case of venus auto) and then do the same thing UH, did, well whatever. It isnt my business. I agree with others though. Do your own research. It is out there. This has taught me that even more. I'll think twice before I ask...as I always do. There are FSM's out there...what kind of info do you need??? I have been searching up on RBN stuff. Try and read as much as I can.

[Wuss]

Anyway he doesn't have to give you ANY information. He's a buisness and makes money off of these swaps. IT's like asking KFC for their secret recipe . :rolleyes

Yeah, I know noone in this world HAS to give an answer to any question asked of them, but it's not like I was asking some deep dark trade secrets. I was basically asking him his take on the install, because I have 3-4 different opinions from 3-4 different shops. So in that sense, it's nothing like asking KFC for their secret recipe. If he asnwered my question, it wouldn't put him out of business, unlike KFC giving out their recipe.

I just found it funny that I emailed him with the question. Then he emailed back " did you buy the clip yet?", when I emailed a reply saying yes, the response in my first post is what I received. It's like trying to deal with a pissed off kid cuz you bought the lemonade from his neighbor instead of him.

I've seen a lot of " one man starting a business because I seem to know a little bit about the topic " attempts, and this is probably the last way you want to deal with someone looking for help.

I may be buying a clip from Venus, but they don't sell individual parts or aftermarket parts right? So where would I have gone? Maybe he didn't think about that.

I'm not going to drag this out. Simple solution for me is not to go to him for any information or business, and to refer everyone away from him due to his poor handling of the situation.

It's good to know that not everyone is about the almighty dollar on these boards, and that sometimes the cars come first.

[spec-v5150]

Yeah I see your point of view. I come to expect that from ALL businesses. When you get good customer service it is always an extra to me. I expect the worst, so when I get the best, i feel satisfied. Good luck though. Let me know how Venus works out. I may be getting an RB20 clip from them real soon. that or say screw the 240 and get a Z32...my true love

[themadscientist]

I will answer any question you have that I know the answer to. I'm a lonely guy:(

[93semax]

About venus.. my installer sourced an rb25 from venus back in april. The engine was supposed to be compression tested at Venus. We got 125psi on #1 and 105psi on #6. Numbers went up with a cap-full of oil so rings were obviously bad. They called Venus and they offered to send a long block or a new engine with nor problem.So it's a mixed experience with them.

[Redline240]

Yeah it seems that venus sends out clips in sometimes hard shape, but if you find a problem they seem to be really good with replacing parts....i guess they save a lot of time and money inspecting the engines, they are able to send them out cheap...

Redline

[apex_7]

Don't let this corrupt your 240 "experience." He's just like that. No big deal. There will always be someone out there like that.

I got my front clip from Venus. The turbo was blown. I sent them pics and got a new one in less than a week. They had the clip in stock. If I would have ordered through someone else (and paid more), I would just now be getting my motor in. They are really good about replacing stuff that's messed up. The only thing I would recommend is trying to figure out an alternate method of shipping (a flatbed truck). A 9' pallet and a 5' liftgate don't mix well

[Nif]

hmm, seems odd. Cameron usually isn't like that. Must have been having a bad day But I can sort of understand his stance. Its my "official" policy to answer questions for paying customers only. Yet I answer questions for everyone on a regular basis, its just good for business if you really think about it. Don't let that jaded your overall experience though.

Dan RushingSub-Zero Performance

[JESTER]

Agreed. We will help you in any way possible.

If I needed some serious answers about the RB's I would deffinetly ask themadscientist. And hey, he offered to help.

Anyway, don't let one neggative experience get you down about NICO. This is the best place to info on Nissan's and Infinity's. Some people can be a little grouchy. I haven't dealt with Night 7, but he may have been having a bad day. Then again, he could be like me and just be an a$$. I have just been in an unusually good mood for the past month or so. That is bound to change.

[rtsol]

maybe you perceived this from my other posts, but night has ALWAYS been up for beyond the call questions. you must have got him on a bad day. he has always been more than helpful in any question ive ever asked of him. he gives out his phone number readily, maybe give him a call and see whats up.

[zspturb0]

here is how I see it:

you called one dealer for info, and then told him you were going to spend your money with another dealer.

how do you think NX would feel if you asked them about how to install nitrous and then told them you were getting a NOS kit?

[spec-v5150]

here is how I see it:

you called one dealer for info, and then told him you were going to spend your money with another dealer.

how do you think NX would feel if you asked them about how to install nitrous and then told them you were getting a NOS kit?

yeah BUT Night bashed UH for not giving info on the swap. That is the point....did you even read the previous messages....? How can you bash one importer for doing it, then turn around and the same thing? I dont have the full story and maybe dude got the wrong message. IF it DID happen that way, I think it is hypocritical. I also think he should search other avenues. Everything I needed to know, I read through searches, post, etc. it is out there. Ask around.

[93RPS13]

Yeah, that whole concept of "not giving up info" is brand new to me. Every other car forum I've belonged to is about sharing everything you know. I mean, in the end only good stuff comes out of it, right?

As far as the questions I asked him, I was doing research as to the modifications needed to be done on an s13 to accomodate an RB20 or an RB25.

I have read everything the RB forums has to offer, and it's still either unclear, or there are multiple answers to the same question, which is why I wanted to go straight to the source.3

I got Heavy Throttle's POV, and just wanted a different opinion so I can have everythind down and make my own decision. As of now, I have yet to see a definitive list on the boards of an EXACT list of modifications and fabs needed to accomodate these motors. An RB FAQ would be great for newbs like me.

For those who offered your help, I appreciate it and will definately get in contact with you.

try his old website http://240skyline.nissanpower.com/custom.html for the faq

[gabossie]

The new site has the faq too, http://www.night7racing.com/faq.html

I'm sure you caught him on a bad day or something, not that that should be a good excuse when dealing with a business, but it happens. I know he's pretty stressed lately with moving and new job and all, so if you have a chance, try calling him or emailing him again, I'm sure he'll be more helpfull.

[93RPS13]

i thought the new site didnt have it up yet but i guess i was wrong thanks gabossie

[DSSA]

Although I subscribe to the "Tell a customer what you can do for them...not what another company *can't* do for them" philosophy, I find it pretty amusing that you're whining that one company won't answer your questions about something another company sold you.

When you buy something, you're giving profit to that company. If they're not able to answer your questions about the product that they sold you, then you probably should have payed someone else the money who could.

Business owners are in business to *MAKE A PROFIT*...kinda the same reason many of us get out of bed early in the morning and go to our jobs. Yes, they *may* be "enthusiasts" like yourself, but all in all, it comes down to "Time is money". I can't see how you can expect someone to take time out of working on a customer's car, or taking *paying customer's* phone calls/e-mails, to help you with tech after you've already told him that you've bought the stuff from a competitor.

Yes, it's nice to think that because people own a business are all there to give out free knowledge, but in real life, people own businesses to pay their mortgages, bills, etc.

As far as the "VW Community" go ahead and buy someone's turbo kit for the VR6, then call up EIP and ask them for help installing it. See how hard they laugh at you....

[spec-v5150]

How long have you been around?? I don't know what other boards you frequent, but you musn't have read/seen full story. Basically Night called out and bashed another company for not giving out information on the swap. He said that info should be free. NO matter whom you buy from. The I guess the thread starter emailed him and when he told thim where he was getting his engine from, he told him wouldnt/couldnt help. I dont know the whole story, so I cant fully comment on it. Night was cool to me, but my situation was different because I was going to get my swap from him. I DO know that he said theat info should be free to the community. Besides.....heavy throttle has a great FAQ on the SR20 swap and they dont sell it. It is posted for everyone to see and they still get business. No matter what services you offer or dont offer, if you do GOOD business, you will get results. There is no reason to charge for info on the RB swap. I wont help you because you arent getting your engine from me sounds retarded. Besides enough people have done it where there is no need to ask these businesses now, especially if they are going to be like that. I asked all my questions from people who have done it. And in turn will help others after I do mine. And furthermore I dont think he is whining. Do a search on some of the threads Night has posted on. He is ALWAYS saying how people can email or call him on his cell phone for info on the swap. Those statements and this post contradict each other. So how is that whining????

[RubHamuSan]

maybe night is getting tired of trying to be the good guy. and finally realizes that ,if you spend all your time talking to people who don't give you money then you don't make any.hense him getting a job.and doing a rb swap is easy. get a clip,mounts,a FSM and time ,you got a install. and heavy throttle puts up the info cause they don't do the swap anymore.i'm sure the same thing will happen with the rb's soon.especially after scc does that article.