Is Sarah Palin a step back for women's rights? Please discuss.

[S13_love]

Wow, just wow! How is Sarah Palin dangerous? You know dangerous typically indicates that a person is a menace to his/herself or to the society.

Say if McCain got elected and then died and Sarah Palin had to take over the position as the President of the U.S.

Please tell me why you think that only being a governor of a state less than 700,000 people in it, for 20 months, is enough qualification (let alone enough for the vp position)? You dont see that as being potentailly dangerous?

[sanioll]

No wonder 80% of America is Atheists. . . because it is the only thing taught to them in Public Schools.

Where did you get that figure from? Number of atheists are probably less than 10%, and I am NOT one of them.

[Cold_Zero]

Say if McCain got elected and then died and Sarah Palin had to take over the position as the President of the U.S.

Please tell me why you think that only being a governor of a state less than 700,000 people in it, for 20 months, is enough qualification (let alone enough for the vp position)? You dont see that as being potentailly dangerous?

Again, I don't see how Palin's views (which this topic is all about) makes her dangerous as a VP.bud

[SteveTheTech]

I will give you the statement that children should be taught morals, however I would choose something like the golden rule. I do not think the government should be supporting imposing one religion on its people, especially the most impressionable members of our society.

While the countries educational institutions may have been founded by religious organizations as the country has grown and come to accept people of varying religions and beliefs the educational system (at least publicly funded) should steer away from religious icons and teachings in class.

There should be a time and place for religion, if you want your offspring to learn the ways of jesus and friends you can send them to a special place for that. I would personally be the one loudly apposing that in any public school. If the day were to ever come that I bred I would search for a school that shared my views. If my family happened to live in the bible belt and any sort of religious education was part of the curriculum my child would be in private or a non secular school so fast even if I had to work a second job.

As one of the first true midwest christians I have had the pleasure of discussing my favorite topic with there are a few tings really want to know.

How do you argue with Radio Carbon 14 Dating? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon

Is it just something you tell us other people or do you really believe the world was "created" ~10,000 years ago?

http://science.discovery.com/c....html

If dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time why were h0m0 sapiens not wiped out when climate changed and cause a geologically proven climate shift making the surface uninhabitable for many of the planets species?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradi...shtml

Ok so I found this while reseaching this post and thought it was pretty funny, not for all just me. It's a at how other people see things. It's all in good fun though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TthHltjrvA

[SteveTheTech]

Again, I don't see how Palin's views (which this topic is all about) makes her dangerous as a VP.bud

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7613403.stm

That should be enough. Plus she can see Russia from her house LOL

[dusred]

I will give you the statement that children should be taught morals, however I would choose something like the golden rule. I do not think the government should be supporting imposing one religion on its people, especially the most impressionable members of our society.

And I don't think Evolution/Atheism should be taught to them either.

Quote »While the countries educational institutions may have been founded by religious organizations as the country has grown and come to accept people of varying religions and beliefs the educational system (at least publicly funded) should steer away from religious icons and teachings in class. [/quote]And I think that they should steer away from other such Atheist teachings and theorists such as Darwin/Evolution since there is no real proof; it is simply a Theory/brain fart.

There should be a time and place for religion, if you want your offspring to learn the ways of jesus and friends you can send them to a special place for that.

You are right. Controversial material should be left out of schools and left up to Parents to decide what to teach in those regards.
Modified by dusred at 9:00 PM 9/19/2008

[dusred]

Where did you get that figure from? Number of atheists are probably less than 10%, and I am NOT one of them.

Well, I would say the majority of Americans believe the Darwin Theory and I don't really see how you can be religious and believe the Darwin Theory.

But, I could be wrong. Check out this website: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

Quote »About 50% consider themselves religious (down from 54% in 1999-DECAbout 33% consider themselves "spiritual but not religious" (up from 30%)About 10% regard themselves as neither spiritual or religious

[/quote]I'm not sure how accurate they are based on how many people buy the Darwin Theory.

I would guess that McCain/Palin are getting the majority of the Religious vote as Obama is getting the majority of the Black vote.

Edit-

Why aren't my quotes working?

[SteveTheTech]

The numbers are for the most part are irrelevant.

The truth is the religious right votes in record numbers, while the Libs are too busy protesting something to vote.

I think the christians who say they are not imposing their beliefs on everyone else they jsut want to live in a society with "wholesome family values" are kidding themselves. My decency standards are much different from middle americas.

Your quotes are not working bc your format is off I think you may be editing them or something and chopping off the posters ID. it should look like this.

[QUOTE=dusred5] inside the brackets should look like this minus the 5s it took me several attempts and the use of the preview button to get it right[/QUOTE5]

[Cold_Zero]

Why aren't my quotes working?

You keep putting

at the beginning. You can either remove the equal sign or put the persons name after it. I went back and fixed your posts.

And now you know and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe!bud

[Cold_Zero]

Again,This topic should be focused on Sarah Palin, her religious beliefs and if it should exclude her from the second highest office in this country. We are not going to debate the merits of evilution nor creationism.

I find it ironic that Joe Biden was in Ohio and Michigan stumping for his ticket Wednesday and he was laying on the 'catholic' speak really thick. Yet no one gets bent out of shape for using his Romanism to win votes. No one even questions weather or not Biden's views are in line with the Vatican or the Roman Catholic church.

http://www.npr.org/templates/s...48575

bud

[SteveTheTech]

Any candidate in this day and age needs to play to some religious base. They are either trying to win the conservative base or the reformed members. They're personal stance on religion is more down played by the lefties to accommodate the people of other religions.

Ok I'm going to bring it back to the topic, I went off on a bit of a rant earlier.

Palins' stance on the issues is not where I loose it with her. She has done wonders for the energy in the base, for reasons that escape me. Where I loose her is her conservatism if Macs people had selected a slightly more centrist candidate it would make my decision more difficult.

[Cold_Zero]

If he had picked a more centrist candidate, you probably would not have gotten the bounce that you did and energize the base as they did.

With all things said, I don't think that Sarah Palin (with her views) is 'dangerous' nor a step backwards for women's progress. What I find disgusting is the view that in order to advance womens' causes you have to tow a certain political line. And if you don't tow that line, no matter if you are a woman and you want to help out and no matter how good your intentions are you 'need not apply.' Sorry that is closed minded.bud

[SteveTheTech]

If he had picked a more centrist candidate, you probably would not have gotten the bounce that you did and energize the base as they did.

With all things said, I don't think that Sarah Palin (with her views) is 'dangerous' nor a step backwards for women's progress. What I find disgusting is the view that in order to advance womens' causes you have to tow a certain political line. And if you don't tow that line, no matter if you are a woman and you want to help out and no matter how good your intentions are you 'need not apply.' Sorry that is closed minded.bud

I really respect your POV on this issue. You have brought a point of view that I have not seen a logical debate about. I do differ from your POV on the not being "dangerous" to America I will go one step farther to say that the Republican party is dangerous to America since their perspective on what America should be differ greatly from those that I hold dear.

As for the advancement of womens rights I think that since she is not a progressive thinker in the aspect of shedding the old religious way of thinking will always be a fly in the ointment of the Reps. It is just their core values and there are many many people out there who share their beliefs. There are also many people out there that do not want to see the country head in a more conservative direction, we would like to see change.

Although I am a fiscal conservative my social liberalism beliefs far exceed those of my desire for social reform.

[Jesda]

The implication is that women only care about the right to abort fetuses. Apparently women aren't intelligent enough to care about taxes and the economy -- that's the implication.

The absence of a pen15 should not result in single-issue voting.

As for voter turnout, liberals are younger. Young people stay home (except me).

[SteveTheTech]

Single issue voting is not the best way to choose a candidate but when people hold their values above their own personal financial stake, it makes logical sense. Many people on both sides of the fence make their electoral decisions based on their beliefs and or faiths. Personal beliefs dictate the way we all make all of our socioeconomic decisions, from elections to what we do on Sundays.

[Jesda]

Single issue voting is not the best way to choose a candidate but when people hold their values above their own personal financial stake, it makes logical sense. Many people on both sides of the fence make their electoral decisions based on their beliefs and or faiths. Personal beliefs dictate the way we all make all of our socioeconomic decisions, from elections to what we do on Sundays.

True, but the absence of a pen15 isn't a very reasonable determination for political beliefs, as is skin color. Just because you're black doesn't mean Obama gives a damn about your interests. Being a white war veteran doesn't automatically make McCain a better choice.

[Cold_Zero]

The implication is that women only care about the right to abort fetuses. Apparently women aren't intelligent enough to care about taxes and the economy -- that's the implication.

The absence of a pen15 should not result in single-issue voting.

Tell that to NOW. Apparently they are of that opinion.bud

[audtatious]

IMO is seems like Sarah Palin is not qualified yet to assume the role of VP and/or president if that were to happen. I don't think that a small town mayor and one time governor of a state regardless of sex is qualification enough to assume the role of big time politics. I think it was more of a stratagy move on the Republicans part to nominate her.<snip>

Her lack of foreign affairs experience should be enough to raise a red flag at this critical junction in American history. We need someone that is going to help improve the American image in world eyes. Although I am not a huge Liberal Biden does have a pretty decent foreign affairs backround and at least has spent some time inside the Beltway.

Am I late to this party?

Where is Obama's experience? Sure, he was a community organizer for ACORN and even admits that his job was to "stir up the people in the neighborhood in order to get them to vote "their way"" on whatever agenda he was pushing. That experience is good for what, speech making? He did a tad-bit of being a civil lawyer and he did a stint as the head of the Harvard paper, tho he never wrote anything. Since then he has been a senator who has only been successful by signing his name to another persons bills to get credit. From a foreign affairs perspective, he went to an Indonesian school when he was a toddler, went on some secretive 3-week vacation to Pakistan and he visited Iraq and Germany recently. He's never balanced a budget, dealt with energy nor anything else. Seems to me he has less overall experience than the Republican VP candidate.

Now, as far as Palin being a "step back" for women's rights, I think that is an interesting discussion. The women's movement was to press forth change that would allow women to compete in the marketplace with men and to be considered equals. So, they marched, protested, burned bra's, etc. in order to press forth to have the opportunity to work and have their own lives outside of being barefoot and preggers in the household. I'm not quite seeing how Palin, who is a mother, holds the highest Gov position in Alaska and is now a VP candidate is a step backward. Seems she is exactly what they say women should be able to do and is exactly what they wanted. Now, because she is a Republican, she is not good enough and is a step back. Guess in their vision women can be a mother, hold the highest gov position in state "X" and run for VP only if they are democrats.

Gee, kinda sounds like a lion eating her own cubs.

[S13_love]

Where is Obama's experience?

Dont start down this path for....

1) Where is Palin's experience?

2) I've noticed when we talk about anyones experience, it will start to get ugly...so this "experience" topic is best left alone

[sanioll]

Guys, at the end of the day it'll all come down to, if you truly want the best for the future of this country.

The war which was based on lies, the whole condition of the economy is a proof of a failure of current administration. A redneck president what we have right now. How in the world a superpower nation of the world gets to elect a hick?

I just became a US citizen, and you know what I don't feel proud! There I said it. I am embarrassed to talk to my European friends about the issues that are considered important in this election. (especially gender equality and gay marriage, WE ARE BEHIND! IT IS THE 21ST CENTURY)

Palin was chosen for political reasons, period. She is a woman, and McCain campaign chose her just for that. They are going after Hillary voters.

Did any of you watch the conventions??

Democracts came and talked about the real issues that we are facing today, the economy, health insurance, gender equality in the workplace, gay marriage, true issues that we need to address.

Then republicans came and talked about family values, and standing up and protecting America. They had nothing to say regarding the issues haunting us today.

The fact of the matter is that the older generation is still not over the race issue. After all we cannot have a Black president. Segregation (officially) ended only 50 years ago.

[Jesda]

Did any of you watch the conventions??

Democracts came and talked about the real issues that we are facing today, the economy, health insurance, gender equality in the workplace, gay marriage, true issues that we need to address.

Then republicans came and talked about family values, and standing up and protecting America. They had nothing to say regarding the issues haunting us today.

Both conventions talked about the same things. I think you're only seeing what you wanted to see. I saw candidates blathering about their agendas, blaming the other team, and offering more snark than substance. Thats fine, as conventions are intended to motivate the base, showcase candidates, introduce rising stars, and pay tribute to party leaders.

Gay marriage and gender equality are not 'important.' Like abortion, it is a social issue used to drive emotional voters to the polls and create distractions. Those voters' minds cannot be changed, as they tend to have a specific one-issue agenda or narrow political interests. It is often the variable middle that chooses presidents, and they vote primarily on economic issues.

I became a US citizen in 1999. I stopped calling myself a Democrat in 1999.

[audtatious]

Guys, at the end of the day it'll all come down to, if you truly want the best for the future of this country.

Of course we don't want what is best for this country. If so, we would have a 1-party system run by the Dem party.

The war which was based on lies, the whole condition of the economy is a proof of a failure of current administration. A redneck president what we have right now. How in the world a superpower nation of the world gets to elect a hick?

Misinformation /= lies. Your agenda says it is lies as that is what you want to believe...You need to read more about those who were actively responsible for the housing issue and regroup your thoughts because you are 70% off-base in who you accuse of screwing up our economy.

If Obama wins then I get to be spiteful against our country on how a superpower nation can elect a black supremest socialist/marxist.

I just became a US citizen, and you know what I don't feel proud! There I said it. I am embarrassed to talk to my European friends about the issues that are considered important in this election. (especially gender equality and gay marriage, WE ARE BEHIND! IT IS THE 21ST CENTURY)

Guess what? You don't have to live here. The problem with people is they come over here to have "the dream" only to find out that it's not free and not everyone holds the same values as you do. So, you decide you want to change things to the way it was where you came from in order to make things better. That's like a wife forcing changes on her husband only to look back years later and wonder why he is not the man she married

Palin was chosen for political reasons, period. She is a woman, and McCain campaign chose her just for that. They are going after Hillary voters.

So, you just became a citizen and dislike the country already. You hate redneck hicks. Now you simply think Palin was selected cuz she has a vag or you dismiss her because she's a woman? Way to go dude!!! Is there any race or thought besides your own that you can stand?

Did any of you watch the conventions??

Democracts came and talked about the real issues that we are facing today, the economy, health insurance, gender equality in the workplace, gay marriage, true issues that we need to address.

I can talk about real issues all day long, just like the Dems did at the DNC. The problem is they have no solutions but bigger Gov. Quote me where a real solution was brought out at the DNC? They didn't. They did the same thing the RNC did. Talking points.

I see you mentioned gender workplace equality. Isn't Palin's position as a mother and a Governor a positive role position for women? Isn't that what NOW is wanting to show is possible? Yes? Then why are they trying to dismiss her on grounds of religion and abortion alone.

The fact of the matter is that the older generation is still not over the race issue. After all we cannot have a Black president. Segregation (officially) ended only 50 years ago.

You know, you don't have a friggen clue. That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard from you (other than the smears above) and further proof that you are a racist yourself.

[AZhitman]

Please tell me why you think that only being a governor of a state less than 700,000 people in it, for 20 months, is enough qualification (let alone enough for the vp position)? You dont see that as being potentailly dangerous?

We've already established that experience is not important for a presidential candidate (see: Obama), so why should it matter for a VP?

Obama's never run a state. Never balanced a budget. Never owned a business. Never made executive decisions. Never authored a piece of legislation. Never hired a staff.

How many years does he have as Governor? Ah - I remember. None.

Please try to keep up (and stay on topic).

[AZhitman]

With all things said, I don't think that Sarah Palin (with her views) is 'dangerous' nor a step backwards for women's progress. What I find disgusting is the view that in order to advance womens' causes you have to tow a certain political line. And if you don't tow that line, no matter if you are a woman and you want to help out and no matter how good your intentions are you 'need not apply.' Sorry that is closed minded.bud

Precisely.

If she was a libbie, we'd be hearing of her "shattering the glass ceiling".

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Left is pissed because the GOP has successfully fielded an icon that the Dems wanted to CLAIM as their own.

They wanted a Black president or a woman in the White House, and even if Obama wins, they'll have to settle for 25% of that goal.

[AZhitman]

The fact of the matter is that the older generation is still not over the race issue. After all we cannot have a Black president. Segregation (officially) ended only 50 years ago.

Maybe Democrats aren't quite over the gender issue. Woman got the right to vote in 1920, but they've always had the right to hold public office.

The fact that you use words like "redneck" and "hick" leads me to believe you have a fairly sophomoric view of the complexity of human character...

The fact that you brought up Obama's race as the ONLY concieveable way he could lose the presidency tells me you might be a bit racially-biased as well.

Perhaps he'll lose because he has no experience and lacks a firm grasp of the issues.

He can "talk pretty" all day long, but that's nothing more than air being expelled from an inexperienced mouth... a mouth that often opens before it should.