Is anyone besides me planning to go

[audtatious]

As I've stated before......

MM uses comments/words of others, without supporting context, in order to lead the viewer down his perception of the rabbit hole. That's how it was with F 9/11 at least.

Thought I was clear?

[bigbadberry3]

That's why it is up to a viewer to decide what is valid and what isn't.

[audtatious]

Sure, truthers and those who want to believe what he and Gore say will believe every word of it. Being informed, why should I view his film when I know he simply decided what he wanted the outcome to be and set about finding tidbits of information to support his conclusion and then labeled it a documentary? Realize, he sees capitalism as evil, thus the outcome will be how evil capitalism is. No good, just bad.

So, why should I pay money to see a bunch of bunk that was put together to reach a previously assumed conclusion?

[bigbadberry3]

I can't tell you that you should spend your money if you have already made your own assumptions about the movie, what will be said in it, and how much you won't like it. Being bullheaded and refusing to listen to an opposing view is ignorant even if you are informed. Just because a someones view doesn't align with your own personal views doesn't make the view wrong.

[audtatious]

Right. Let me look around for some right-wing whacko who puts forth similar videos and expect you to watch them all simply so you can understand his viewpoint

Sorry, a turd that is rolled in powdered sugar is still a turd.

[bigbadberry3]

I'd still watch your turd videos. Turds aren't entirely useless.
Modified by bigbadberry3 at 8:55 AM 9/30/2009

[audtatious]

True, they give the sanitation department something to do.

[bigbadberry3]

Also fertilizers which assist growth.

[AZhitman]

I'll say this about the move, which admittedly haven't seen, and won't spend money to see, but will watch when it becomes available through other sources):

I wish MM would seperate his disdain for corporate fraud and unethical usiness practices from Capitalism as a whole.

He seems to lump all capitalists in with the Madoffs and DeLays of the business world - While nothing could be further from the truth.

Capitalism is not evil. At all. It's the backbone of a free society, and a free market is the only way that has proven time and time again that WORKS.

I wish he had made that clearer, because everything I'm reading about this movie so far, leads me to believe it's entertaining and informative - But a little heavy on the generalizations. Not all CEOs are evil, greedy bastards.

[audtatious]

Also fertilizers which assist growth.

Or kills the grass and crops when you try to use too much in one place

[srellim234]

From the interviews I've seen, MM is not anti-capitalism. In fact, he is for it. He is against what has evolved in the name of capitalism and how it has abandoned any sense of social responsibility in certain boardrooms and industries around this country. Greed for the almighty dollar has replaced human decency in the corporate offices he harasses.

What I'd like to see is a decent interviewer ask him is to identify what he feels are the "good" companies by name. So far all I've heard from him on that side of the equation are generalities instead of specifics.

I'm another one of those who will not pay to see his movies but I do make it a point to catch them on outlets like HBO when they become available. In very specific cases he can make a lot of sense, and there's a lot of truth to it. Other instances are twisted so tightly they're obviously pure self-serving propaganda.

[HashiriyaS14]

I'll download a torrent of this and watch it.

I'm not going to send a cent to Michael Moore.

There are certainly worse people, but I don't want to be funding that guy's Frito habit.

[Jesda]

Lots of folksy naive bulls***, a few great moments, a few chuckles. It was better than some of the horrible films I've seen this year (TRANSFORMERS 2).

Moore's intellectual/philosophical depth is lacking. He's a populist, much like Bill OReilly, ignoring deep analysis and going for sob stories and emotional nonsense. I dont think Moore understands what capitalism, socialism, and democracy actually are or how they relate.

Decent film though. Just know that you aren't getting much more than the NBC Nightly News version of what happened. I share his outrage but not his beliefs.

[AZhitman]

Moore's intellectual/philosophical depth is lacking. He's a populist, much like Bill OReilly, ignoring deep analysis and going for sob stories and emotional nonsense. I dont think Moore understands what capitalism, socialism, and democracy actually are or how they relate.

...which is EXACTLY why he appeals to the least common denominators in our society...

He certainly gets the intellectuals in Hollywood () all atwitter. That, in and of itself, should tell you all you need to know.

[heliochrome85]

yeah but greg, my concern is that michael moore and his ilk have never driven their followers to commit acts of murder. until then , they are just like any other radical liberal. the main voices of the conservative party, or loudest rather, seem to do that every day, from glen beck on down. There are demons on both ends of the political spectrum, but i dont think the democrats got their fair share of em.

[AZhitman]

That's because they are, as a rule, weaker in their convictions and somewhat cowardly in their defense of what they percieve as right.

I'm not sure I follow on your "driven to murder" point, as I don't think anyone's whacked someone because of listening to Beck (not a right-winger) or Rush (irrelevant these days).

Lest you come up with an example, consider this ( ) my pre-emptive lob:

Let's not forget the enviro-terrorists planting steel in trees in logging areas (so as to maim / kill loggers)... stringing piano wire between trees in off-road trails (so as to decapitate dirt bike riders)... throwing bleach in the face of attendees at a political rally... PETA supporters flinging blood and other biological waste on fur-wearers...

[heliochrome85]

we had enviromentalists pouring Hydrochloric acid into cars and slashing tires when i was at IU.

In terms of the "driven to murder" lest we forget the census taker who was hung in Kentucky with the word FED scrawled on his corpse?

How bout the reaction to the holocaust memorial shooter?What about the the guy who walked through a church in Tennessee shooting at the liberals?

What about the abortion doctor who was shot up in church?

Im not blaming you for those actions, but they were largly heralded in the conservative press. Beck/Oreilly went way beyond the pale commending the actions of those who commited them, by demonizing the victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDV1jsPlKD8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r93Q31H8NJg

[UpStar]

TelcoMan, Thanks for the reminder. I'll be there front and center. I just spoke to my concierge and my VIP tickets are waiting for me at the box office. I've been anxious to see this film like all of the other MM films. F911 & Sicko being my favorites so far.

[AZhitman]

they were largly heralded in the conservative press. Beck/Oreilly went way beyond the pale commending the actions of those who commited them, by demonizing the victims.

I don't recall them being "largly heralded in the conservative press", whatever that is.

I also see a lot of O'Reilly, and no Beck (in those clips).

O'Reilly represents himself, not conservatives... and Beck's not even a conservative (or a Republican).