Inventing Argument: Abortion

[Pieceofsand]

Sorry if this is a repost, I didn't feel like searching and rather post a new thread.

Anyways.I'm writing an essay, an argument of value on abortion.

The goal of my essay is not to persuade the reader into believing pro choice, but rather to open another perspective on approaching the subject of abortion to the reader; and why I believe it should be one's right to choose not to have a baby.

I would also need counterargument to support my claim. So if you are pro life, I will be more than happy to read what you have to say.

So, what is your take on this?

Thanks in advance for any comments and input on the topic.

[rc1honda]

Im still on the fence about abortion. But your could conter argue that the fetus is a individual and has certain unalienable rights given to it by the constitution. Such as life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

Even though Roe v Wade i guess ruled that the fetus is not protected by the constitution.

[Jesda]

Are you looking for an approach?

1. Philosophical - sanctity of life2. Philosophical - personal freedom3. Economic - ability to raise child4. Economic - effect on crime rate5. Economic - loss of population

[Pieceofsand]

Are you looking for an approach?

1. Philosophical - sanctity of life2. Philosophical - personal freedom3. Economic - ability to raise child4. Economic - effect on crime rate5. Economic - loss of population

I should go a little wild and claim that abortion benefits population control. and use China as example.

I would argue that a fetus isn't an individual but rather in the 9 months of process to become an individual, there fore it isn't registered as a citizen of a country, no official identity is ever given; thus I would say the fetus have no right nor the ability to decide its persuite to happiness or life.

[DrifterXRPS13]

you know what else benefits population control....not having unprotected sex.

[Jesda]

you know what else benefits population control....not having unprotected sex.

Or one-handed partnership.

[DrifterXRPS13]

yes, that too...but someone else's hand

[Ajax]

I go from the Nature argument- some animals are known to destroy or eat their young, therefore it must be acceptable for humans to do the same...

[ScrapMetal]

I think it's pretty f***ed up how some people want to decide for someone else whether or not they should go through with an abortion. It should be the decision of the person who go pregnant whether they want to go through with it, not some politician, not the government, and definitely not some crazy religious zealot.

[Jesda]

BAM! Thread goes from "help me with my essay" to a full-fledged abortion debate. IBTL

[ScrapMetal]

Whoa, whoa! No debate here Jes, just throwing in my 2 cents. Not trying to convert anyone.

[alms24sebring]

Well I choose not to EVER have a child, but that's choice. I find it wrong that some people find that greedy or whatever. I remember on the radio where they had a study that where older couples without children, were largely happier in life than those with children. If I ever got a girlfriend pregnant, by accident of course, I would immediately drop that b**** off at the abortion clinic, or run to Mexico... I don't want it.

I honestly just can't handle a child, so I choose not to have one. I know myself by now and i know that I cannot handle a child running around in the store embarrassing me. Having to care for one, waking up every hour throughout the night, every night; constantly telling a child 'no' repeatedly; full dirty diapers all the time; I was a child once and I would've killed myself if I was my mom. Hearing whining just makes me grit my teeth, noway I can handle that for years on end. Sometimes if I hear a kid crying for a long time, I feel like grabbing him/her by the back of the head and slamming their face in the corner of a coffee table saying STFU!!!

As far as the actual abortion, there are lots of controversial arguments for it. I can say I am for it though. An unwanted pregnancy is an unwanted child, so get rid of it. It hasn't been born, even tho its true it has a life, and that's the argument.

Is it truly immoral to kill the unborn? Think of any religious aspects or views.What happens if a girl gets raped and pregnant? Some people are to blame though, they make condoms for a reason. This happened to my stupid friend, the feeling is worth the risk.They make condoms for a reason.They make birth control for a reason. ('The ring', can feel really good for a guy so it has a perk. ).

[krash]

If you want a counter-argument:

Abortion encourages irresponsible people to continue to be irresponsible. Had unprotected sex? okay well might not get pregnant. Got pregnant? alright, just get an abortion. I personally know of two toolbags that continued to have unprotected sex until they got their girlfriends pregnant. And their girlfriends eventually did get abortions. Any change of lifestyle? nope. "You can just get another abortion."

[Pieceofsand]

^^ Like that idea. I might actually include that in my essay.

[RCA]

Or one-handed partnership.

Only one hand? Pss...

[sentrastace]

I had to write a paper and speech on this for a class and I absolutely crushed my opposer...i'm pro choice and she was pro life and i guess mine was impactful (and got high scores on it, as well) because i'm a female who has been in an unfortunate situation and in sum, said: (and not all of you may agree with this approach--let me just say that there are circumstances in which abortion is appropriate and circumstances in which it is not):

"you're only pro life because it has never happened to you, your mother, your sister, your grandmother, your best friend, your daughter. i'm pro choice because i was raped when i was 12, and if i was impregnated at 12 (thank god i wasnt) with a complete stranger and sickos child and not being able to have a choice isnt the way i would like to live. had i had a child at 12, i wouldnt be here, i would probably be dead because the dimensions of my body would not be able to handle childbirth. had i had a child at 12 at the hands of a rapist, i wouldnt be in school. i wouldnt have a job. i wouldnt have money to take care of the child. i wouldnt have a father to help me. i would be rejected by all those around me and seen as "dirty", irresponsible, unintelligent, unfortunate, pitied. i would never be a doctor, a model, or whatever i wanted to grow up to be. my childhood would be snatched from me and i would never be able to get it back. you're a smart girl who wants to be a lawyer, right? what if one night you were walking to your car and you got raped and impregnated and abortions were no longer legal? would you be able to continue your life normally, pursue your career, your dream? Never."

im completely against people terminating pregnancies simply because it was an "accident" like you were drunk and didnt use protection, because if youre adult enough to have sex then you should be adult enough to deal with the consequences of unreasonable actions. you probably shouldnt terminate a life for selfish reasons. but if there are legitimate reasons such as you will probably die from complications from labor by having this child or you were raped by a sicko, then abortion may be appropriate.

p.s. i know people are not pro life just because it hasnt happened to them or someone close to them, but i know the girl was like this in this case because she was a complete snob who grew up sheltered and believed things like rape only happened to low class people, and she thought of herself as higher than that as if it could never happen to her.

phew sorry for the rant. i see you're trying to take a different approach but i just started ranting so I doubt this will help

[sentrastace]

If you want a counter-argument:

Abortion encourages irresponsible people to continue to be irresponsible. Had unprotected sex? okay well might not get pregnant. Got pregnant? alright, just get an abortion. I personally know of two toolbags that continued to have unprotected sex until they got their girlfriends pregnant. And their girlfriends eventually did get abortions. Any change of lifestyle? nope. "You can just get another abortion."

perfect counter argument...

[krash]

yeaa stace I'm pretty sure you and me have the same views on this

[Pieceofsand]

Don't be sorry. I've read what you've wrote.

I'm gonna give you a hug via internet.

[sentrastace]

yeaa stace I'm pretty sure you and me have the same views on this

[sentrastace]

Don't be sorry. I've read what you've wrote.

I'm gonna give you a hug via internet.

[PEZi]

you know what else benefits population control....not having unprotected sex.

eff that... bishes just need to be on the pill.... end of story

actually they can take it in the back door too... that's fine... no pill required

[Pieceofsand]

let's stay on topic

So no one is pro life? Wow.

[krash]

I mean, I'm more pro life than I am pro choice. I feel like more abortions will result from unprotected sex than from rape. The later is a valid reason to seek an abortion.

[Pieceofsand]

Let's talk about why you're more pro life? Why do you think more pro life and less pro choice?

Tell me teh details.

[krash]

Well, religion has a lot to do with it. Christianity teaches to not commit murder. Doing so would violate one of the 10 commandments, meaning that it is a sin. Although I'm a bit more liberal, you will find many super-conservative christians that are pro-life for that sole reason and none other. Not only does abortion violate religious laws, but it also violates laws laid by the country. Now, the government can kill convicted murderers with no problem, but those bastards deserve it. Preforming an abortion kills the most innocent form of life.

Thats another reason that I'm more on the pro-life side. Killing an unborn child means you also kill all the things that child could have grown up to accomplish and become. Many aborted babies could very well have grown up to be major contributors to society. My friend's mom was told to have an abortion when pregnant with her because they said she would have birth defects. But her mom didn't get the abortion (obviously) and well, shes a perfectly normal healthy person, and a great influence on my life as well as many others.

But like I said, there are exceptions for things. Stace gave a perfect example with the rape scenario. Even though the above two statements are not invalidated by a rape scenario, the wellbeing of the child that results can suffer depending on the the victim's financial and mental status, like stace also mentioned.

[Speedy7_7]

Another argument for pro choice is: People get desperate when they are put into unknown situations, like pregnancy. If you make abortions illegal, there will be only illegal abortions. I would rather have a doctor do that procedure rather than a case of Pabst and a kick in the stomach.

Sorry, thats a little crude. It does make a point, how many people will perform coat hanger abortions to rid themselves of a mistake.

A back-alley abortion market would open up, causing the injury of countless women.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

I would be more inclined to accept your argument krash if they were to actually teach healthy sex habits in schools rather than just abstinence NATIONWIDE. I recognize that some districts have pretty good sex ed programs...but most are too conservative to teach proper protection use and statistics. I mean I know a lot of people that think there is a "safe" period in which to have unprotected sex...and that is total bulls***.

As it sits now... we absolutely need abortion rights to keep stupid people from breeding.

[krash]

I would be more inclined to accept your argument krash if they were to actually teach healthy sex habits in schools rather than just abstinence NATIONWIDE.

Right, thats a whole different issue in itself. The majority of teens are going to have sex, no matter what is told to them. Schools need to stop focusing on what they can't do and focus on what they CAN do, which is teach the horny bastards about condoms.

Not to say that parent's aren't guilt free.

[Speedy7_7]

I think I will side with overly conservative parents.

Never teach them anything!

Or teach them that sex=death.