Internet "rescues" little girl from bullying

[ILOVESILVIA(S13)]

Sorry, but I firmly believe that many of the problems we have today stem from the exit of a decent a**-whooping from the public square. People were nicer to each other when smacking the s*** out of someone talking smack was socially acceptable. If she was my daughter she would be pounding someone with that thermos.

Agree. I hate how this country is turning into a bunch of pansy a@@ sissy's. Let's bubble wrap our kids while we're at it.

[Dattebayo]

Tell your daughters to load up and smash their opposition because they can't handle a few insults.

You wanna talk about weakness? Seriously, if you have to hit someone because you can't handle their words, your mind is weak and so is your will.
And it's not like this girl endured a year of teasing or anything, it was a couple days about a damn thermos. Grow some backbone and cry me a river, but this is not a Shojo manga, this is life.

[ADDirishboy]

Tell your daughters to load up and smash their opposition because they can't handle a few insults.

You wanna talk about weakness? Seriously, if you have to hit someone because you can't handle their words, your mind is weak and so is your will.
And it's not like this girl endured a year of teasing or anything, it was a couple days about a damn thermos. Grow some backbone and cry me a river, but this is not a Shojo manga, this is life.

Don't breed.

[AZhitman]

People were nicer to each other when smacking the s*** out of someone talking smack was socially acceptable.

Wasn't that my position in the Westboro thread?

As for the rest - TL;DR.

Any argument about child-rearing from those without children is a waste of my time.

[Jesda]

I actually hate children, but if I had a farm...


You don't have to fertilize an egg to discuss the psychology of a bully.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Any argument about child-rearing from those without children is a waste of my time.

Any argument from someone not exactly 25 isn't worth my time.

[AZhitman]

Been there, done that. And I was a smartass at 25 too.



(...and for what it's worth, I agree with your OP.)

[AZhitman]

You don't have to fertilize an egg to discuss the psychology of a bully.

Agreed.

Some were cruising into the realm of child-rearing. Big diff.

[themadscientist]

Any argument about child-rearing from those without children is a waste of my time.

Any argument from someone not exactly 25 isn't worth my time.

Why do you quote me when I didn't say that?

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Oh oops, must have deleted the wrong quotee when I made the post.

[Dattebayo]

Don't breed.

I suggest the same to you.
And have fun explaining to a judge why your kid bashed someone in the head, and then having to serve time for your kid because they aren't of age.

[AZhitman]

Don't breed.

I suggest the same to you.
And have fun explaining to a judge why your kid bashed someone in the head, and then having to serve time for your kid because they aren't of age.

Doesn't work that way, non-parent / non-attorney.

[Dattebayo]

Yeah right.

Kids have made their parents go to jail (or have to pay huge fines) for much less then that.

[Jesda]

Y'all mad.

[AZhitman]

OK Dave. Lemme know when you and PMQ stop hanging out.

Better yet, how about some evidence to back up your unfounded assertions.

...and it had damn well better include all of the following:

1) "Much less than that" = Less than a bash in the head.
2) Incarceration for the parents.
3) Huge fines.

I'll wait.

[Dattebayo]

OK Dave. Lemme know when you and PMQ stop hanging out.

Better yet, how about some evidence to back up your unfounded assertions.

...and it had damn well better include all of the following:

1) "Much less than that" = Less than a bash in the head.
2) Incarceration for the parents.
3) Huge fines.

I'll wait.

Where's your proof? I guess I should just take what you have said as fact then, right?

Anyway, much less than that means that they're taking the parents of 5-year olds for sexual crimes the kid apparently committed... I can't source the article, but it was in the last year or so...
I don't think the legal is finished up yet, but I'm sure some time has already occurred because of it...

Also, I seem to remember most states having a law where if the parent can be shown to have some connection to the child's actions, they can be jailed. I believe it's called the "parental responsibility laws" or something like that.

Huge fines can be substituted for jail time in most cases, given the situation or deal with the prosecution... Most of the time it ends up being a little bit of both tho.

[AZhitman]

...still waiting....

Fact is, if my kid wallops another kid for lipping off, I'm not going to jail (or being fined), regardless of what you've seen on TV.

[Dattebayo]

I didn't see this on TV Greg, and why the hell you assume I'm that stupid is beyond me. Thanks very much for being a jerk.

I don't talk to you that way, why you gotta come at me like that is beyond me. I'm outta here for tonight. Bye.

[BusyBadger]

why the hell you assume I'm that stupid is beyond me.

I don't have a bill of sale and the damn title was in the damn car.

[Jesda]

Hey, you can't dog a man who had his car stolen.

[AZhitman]

I didn't see this on TV Greg, and why the hell you assume I'm that stupid is beyond me. Thanks very much for being a jerk.

I don't talk to you that way, why you gotta come at me like that is beyond me. I'm outta here for tonight. Bye.

I didn't assume anything. If you feel stupid after all that, perhaps you're projecting.

If you get your Spider-Man Underoos in a wad every time someone calls you out for making unsubstantiated statements, you might want to either:

A) Steer clear of them dadgum Internets.
B) Speak only of that which you know.
C) Magically transform into hot brunette supermodel (no one will give a damn what you say then).



Rest well, yo.

[MinisterofDOOM]

It's still not an ok think to just tell your kid to do... That's a pretty tight line to walk.

I seem to remember already having given my "idealism is for morons" lecture this week. You must have missed it. You get an F. Don't bother turning up for the rest of the class.

THAT said, I think this girl's mom (I won't pinpoint the girl herself, as her mom could easily be taking something that doesn't bother the daughter at all way out of context) is whining and overreacting...like a lot of people.

The internet "saving" her is the opposite of what she needs. She needs to learn to deal with this HERSELF, not have others deal with it for her. That would be better for HER, and for the problem itself. Confident people don't make good targets for bullying. Neither do people who can laugh at themselves, or people who don't provide big reactions to attempts at bullying. It's that simple. Running to mommy doesn't help ANYTHING.

I was a scrawny, nerdy, reclusive, odd kid (Hell, was nothing; still am). I caught a lot of crap in school. My dad always encouraged me to solve my own bully problems. I cannot recall a SINGLE time it got so bad as to really affect me in any real way other than temporary annoyance Only once did anything get bad enough to really make me feel uncomfortable, and I solved that by socking the kid. It was a clumsy, stupid fight, and we both lost (the grass won). But he never bothered me again. And I felt BETTER about myself afterward than I had before, because I solved my own damn problem.

I guess what I'm ultimately getting at is that most kids don't really have "bullying problems." What they have is self respect problems. And THOSE problems are not solved by coddling.

[AZhitman]

I was a scrawny, nerdy, reclusive, odd kid (Hell, was nothing; still am). I caught a lot of crap in school. I cannot recall a SINGLE time it got so bad as to really affect me in any real way other than temporary annoyance. My dad always encouraged me to solve my own bully problems. Only once did anything get bad enough to really make me feel uncomfortable, and I solved that by socking the kid. It was a clumsy, stupid fight, and we both lost (the grass won). But he never bothered me again. And I felt BETTER about myself afterward than I had before, because I solved my own damn problem.

Ditto x1000.

Took me a couple more scraps than Chris to achieve the same results, and I actually didn't take the teasing / bullying as well as Chris did - My mom actually took me to a psychiatrist as a kid... I never walloped anyone who didn't get ample warning, but 2 things came of it:

1) I learned that bullies are typically pretty weak-minded.
2) I learned that I don't have be made to feel miserable.

I have my Pops to thank for it, and I'm damn positive he was never in any danger of being sued / imprisoned / fined.

Do I teach my kids to use violence? Hell no. Too many kids will take an asswhuppin' and come back later with a weapon (because they're weak-minded). I teach them to defuse, distract, de-escalate, and stand up for themselves verbally BEFORE things get out of hand.

Do I fault a parent (like my Dad) for telling their kid that a well-placed haymaker from out of left field is still a pretty decent anti-bullying measure? Hell no.

p.s. Working with severely troubled teens for at least a few years, NEVER did I see a case of parental liability. Ever.

[Dattebayo]

Take your projecting comment and stuff it. You assume I extrapolate everything that I know from that TV, yeah that is a huge insult. SO to that, here's some proof.

http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/reform/ch2_d.html Example case, more than just hitting someone tho. This is the extreme case.

http://www.mwl-law.com/CM/Resources/PAR ... 309%29.pdf
The parental laws in all 50 states, current status not known. Mostly huge fines, but jail time can be substituted (and HAS been) by will of the judge, according to my attorney. (I just got back from my probation status report, doing well).

The only reason you wouldn't go to jail, Greg, is because you could buy them out. Yay justice system.

[AZhitman]

No, THIS would be a "huge insult": You're not very good at debating, because you turn into a butt-hurt sniveling know-it-all when someone disagrees with you.

See the diff?

I think we both know I don't feel that way. So let's get back to the discussion.

Still, no proof provided. That case fails the "much less than" parameter (set forth by you). It's also an ordinance violation with a $100 fine. Doesn't meet the "huge fines" parameter (also yours).

With that said, at least you tried, and you ARE correct in that the letter of the law often ascribes some responsibility to the parent for the acts of their children. However, there's a lot of other requirements that are often unmet.

Here's a good generic overview: http://www.chicagofamilylawblog.com/chi ... ldren.html

A minor child, defending oneself with a haymaker to the melon of the schoolyard bully doesn't meet those criteria. Period.

Assuming I could "buy anyone out" is again, a PMQ-ist assumption that somehow I'm on a different socioeconomic plane than any of you. Proceed with that one at your own peril. You have no idea of my past experiences with the justice system (on EITHER side). Someday, we'll chat. Beers will be on me.

Side note (and in all sincerity): Congrats on your performance on probation. As you probably know, I'm a big proponent of probation over incarceration. I think it works, if implemented right... I hope the probation system there is as good as ours here.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Anyways, any liability is handled by insurance when it involves two minors...at least in white-ville Amurica.
I know this because I threw a hickey puck at a kid when I was like 8. It shattered his nose, and our home-owners insurance foot the bill. Nobody got fined or sent to jail...

[Encryptshun]

This thread needs an enema.

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/228/lunch-money

[AZhitman]

Anyways, any liability is handled by insurance when it involves two minors...at least in white-ville Amurica.
I know this because I threw a hickey puck at a kid when I was like 8. It shattered his nose, and our home-owners insurance foot the bill. Nobody got fined or sent to jai|...

Bully.

[skydragoness]

It might help her out in life to like the color pink more than starwars. Just sayin'.

WTF

[AZhitman]

It might help her out in life to like the color pink more than starwars. Just sayin'.

WTF

Yeah, WTF?

Pink sucks. BOTH my daughters hate pink.

Just seems strange coming from you, BB - I've seen pics of you dressed in some not-so-traditionally-masculine attire.