Injury deaths in the USA

[96Qowner]

I always find these lists fascinating - they help to put things into perspective, for instance, accidental deaths from firearms. How many realize that bathtubs (341 deaths) are half as dangerous as firearms (776 accidental deaths)?

http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

650 from falls involving bed, chair, other furniture744 from inhalation and ingestion of food (choking)742 from exposure to excessive natural cold2765 motorcycle riders12,757 from accidental poisonings

I was going to post it in the car/firearms thread, but that's about road rage, not accidents. My point is that we tend to focus on the dramatic deaths, and overlook the mundane.

[Cold_Zero]

Time to ban poison! More dangerous than firearms!

[srellim234]

6,114 by drowning. Outlaw water!

[rn79870]

Firearms are responsible for over 38,500 deaths per year. Injuries resulting from firearms are estimated to be 5 fold higher than deaths. Motor vehicle crashes, in comparison, result in approximately 42,500 deaths per year in the US. In 6 states firearm deaths exceed motor vehicle deaths and by the year 2003 firearms are expected to be the leading cause of injury death.

The epidemiologic profile of firearm deaths varies by age, sex, race, region of the country and intent. National statistics for 1994 indicate that 52% of firearm deaths resulted from suicide, 43% from homicide and 5% were classified as unintentional. The majority of deaths are from handguns rather than rifles or automatic weapons. High risk groups for firearm homicide are young males between the ages of 15-34 with the 15-24 year age group at highest risk. The death rate for black males is over nine times that of white males. Suicide death rates are higher in white males with those over 85 years of age having the highest rates (60 per 100,000). Young males of both races between the ages of 15-24 have the second highest firearm suicide rate (18.8 per 100,000 for whites vs 17.0 per 100,000 for blacks). Unintentional fire arm deaths occur mainly in young children. About 500 children die each year in the U.S. from "accidental" shootings and at least 5 times as many are wounded.

Results of the recent National Survey of Private Ownership of Firearms,(NSPOF), indicates that 35% households, and 25% of all adults own guns. (To view this report, go to the NIJ home page at http://www.ncjrs.gov). This survey estimates that 44 million Americans own 192 million firearms; 65 million of these are handguns.

http://depts.washington.edu/hi....html

Firearms Death Rate per 100,000 (most recent) by state

#1 District of Columbia: 31.2 #2 Alaska: 20 #3 Louisiana: 19.5 #4 Wyoming: 18.8 #5 Arizona: 18 #6 Mississippi: 17.3 #7 Nevada: 17.3 #8 New Mexico: 16.6 #9 Arkansas: 16.3 #10 Alabama: 16.2 #11 Tennessee: 15.4 #12 West Virginia: 14.7 #13 Montana: 14.5 #14 South Carolina: 13.8 #15 North Carolina: 13.6 #16 Georgia: 13.4 #17 Oklahoma: 13.1 #18 Kentucky: 13.1 #19 Idaho: 12.3 #20 Missouri: 12.3 #21 Indiana: 11.7 #22 Maryland: 11.5 #23 Colorado: 11.5 #24 Virginia: 11.1 #25 Florida: 11.1 #26 Texas: 11 #27 Michigan: 10.9 #28 Oregon: 10.5 #29 Pennsylvania: 9.9 #30 California: 9.8 #31 Utah: 9.7 #32 Kansas: 9.7 #33 Illinois: 9.7 #34 Vermont: 9.6 #35 Washington: 9.3 #36 Ohio: 9.3 #37 North Dakota: 9.1 #38 Delaware: 9.1 #39 Nebraska: 8.1 #40 Wisconsin: 8.1 #41 South Dakota: 7.9 #42 Iowa: 6.7 #43 Maine: 6.5 #44 Minnesota: 6 #45 New Hampshire: 5.8 #46 New York: 5.1 #47 Rhode Island: 5.1 #48 New Jersey: 4.9 #49 Connecticut: 4.3 #50 Massachusetts: 3.1 #51 Hawaii: 2.8

http://www.statemaster.com/gra...0-000

[AZhitman]

#48 New Jersey: 4.9

So much for telcoman's freaking out.

Hey telco, move to AZ. We shoot people all the time.

[rn79870]

I wonder how those numbers relate fo CCP's in each of those states?

[JerodKing]

I wonder how those numbers relate fo CCP's in each of those states?

Well DC was number one, and gun were outlawed until just recently, so I'm gonna go with a negative correlation.

[Cold_Zero]

I wonder how those numbers relate fo CCP's in each of those states?

Bob,I think your list includes criminals using firearms to kill people (violent crime) instead of accidental deaths. I think 96QOwner's list was for accidental deaths. Your two sets of numbers are totally unrelated.bud

[rn79870]

I posted in another thread that I believed guns should be stored, as you do with yours Bud, in a safe or with a locking device on the trigger. Yet some people found fault with my belief, some even suggesting that it was yet another attempt to remove guns from the public.

Unintentional fire arm deaths occur mainly in young children. About 500 children die each year in the U.S. from "accidental" shootings and at least 5 times as many are wounded.

It seems that a good number of those 500 kids who were killed and the 2500 who were injured had access to unsupervised activity with a gun. Had those guns been locked safely...

To those of you who safely store your firearms between uses, ---

[Marenta]

Do you know what a safety really consists of?

A lever.. or a button. My child was playing with levers and buttons when he was 1. I'm sure a child a bit older could figure a lever or button out.

There are other safeties which are a bit more odd and require more finesse, like the spoon grip and the trigger guard and stuff like that, which would work a bit better in the case of a child.

[Cold_Zero]

I posted in another thread that I believed guns should be stored, as you do with yours Bud, in a safe or with a locking device on the trigger. Yet some people found fault with my belief, some even suggesting that it was yet another attempt to remove guns from the public.

It seems that a good number of those 500 kids who were killed and the 2500 who were injured had access to unsupervised activity with a gun. Had those guns been locked safely...

To those of you who safely store your firearms between uses, ---

I dont believe that I disagreed with you on the premise of storing firearms safely. What I disagreed with, in that arguement was:1. Federal regulations to mandate that people do so.2. Federal regulations on how to do so.bud

[AZhitman]

Regulations on storing / safekeeping are not appropriate.

They don't take into account the diverse and varied family situations or differences in household arrangements.

[96Qowner]

I dont believe that I disagreed with you on the premise of storing firearms safely. What I disagreed with, in that arguement was:1. Federal regulations to mandate that people do so.2. Federal regulations on how to do so.bud

Besides, Federal regulations, mandates and instructions for storing poisons would be 16 times more effective, according to the list of causes of death. First things first, eh?

[skylndrftr]

They don't take into account the diverse and varied family situations or differences in household arrangements.

Hitman supports the "parents who don't like there kids lobby"

[on topic] I think there are a lot of areas here that could easily be improved upon. You guys reject government regulations, well remember that when your airbag goes off while you hit a guardrail as opposed to a 3000ft drop into a canyon.

and on rn's point, unless I am mistaken 8 of the 10 states with highest gun death rates are republican. so much for personal responsiblity

[rn79870]

Do you know what a safety really consists of?

A lever.. or a button. My child was playing with levers and buttons when he was 1. I'm sure a child a bit older could figure a lever or button out.

There are other safeties which are a bit more odd and require more finesse, like the spoon grip and the trigger guard and stuff like that, which would work a bit better in the case of a child.

Sorry I wasn't more clear. I was referring to safety devices other than the safety on a gun. Like trigger locks or locking up guns. (my bad at 'spressing thinks).

[Cold_Zero]

and on rn's point, unless I am mistaken 8 of the 10 states with highest gun death rates are republican. so much for personal responsiblity

I think the majority of it has to do with Socio Economic Status of the states and how crime is fought, rather than political affiliation. The majority of the top 15 states are states with higher levels of poverty.#1 District of Columbia: 31.2 #2 Alaska: 20 #3 Louisiana: 19.5 #4 Wyoming: 18.8 #5 Arizona: 18 #6 Mississippi: 17.3 #7 Nevada: 17.3 #8 New Mexico: 16.6 #9 Arkansas: 16.3 #10 Alabama: 16.2 #11 Tennessee: 15.4 #12 West Virginia: 14.7 #13 Montana: 14.5 #14 South Carolina: 13.8 #15 North Carolina: 13.6

I am surprised that Indiana did not come up in the top 15. We have some of the looses gun laws. Georgia, Florida and Virginia as well.bud

[skylndrftr]

thats a much better correlation bud thank you. Might want to point out in addidtion to yorus that Alaska Wyoming Arizona and New Mexico all have high populations of American Indians. Those groups tend to have serious poverty problems and VERY high suicide rates.

[Cold_Zero]

I stand (technically sit) corrected. Good point.

[AZhitman]

You guys reject government regulations, well remember that when your airbag goes off while you hit a guardrail as opposed to a 3000ft drop into a canyon.

and on rn's point, unless I am mistaken 8 of the 10 states with highest gun death rates are republican. so much for personal responsiblity

Government regulations aren't to thank for airbags. Consumer interest is the driving force behind safety innovations. Some good things CAN come about without the influence of "Big Guv", contrary to many people's beliefs.

A state can be Rep or Dem? News to me. Do states cast a ballot? Perhaps you could clarify: A state traditionally votes a certain way, or is led by a governor who is affiliated with a certain party.

[AZhitman]

thats a much better correlation bud thank you. Might want to point out in addidtion to yorus that Alaska Wyoming Arizona and New Mexico all have high populations of American Indians. Those groups tend to have serious poverty problems and VERY high suicide rates.

Nicely done.

Now, help telco figure out why he's panicking over living in #49. Or, buy him a gun.

[Marenta]

I am surprised that Indiana did not come up in the top 15. We have some of the looses gun laws. Georgia, Florida and Virginia as well.

Weird, because those 3 are sitting right about in the middle.. 21-25 range.. odd. I wonder how that happened.

[Jager]

bob why are you using a report from earlier then 2003?

right in the middle of your post it says firearms deaths are expected to pass car deaths by 2003?

can we get more recent info to back your point?

as to the a/D issue, I wonder what the cutoff is? like is SIDS calculated as an accident or how did they figure the numbers?because of most A/d's children are the victim, hence the inordinately high poison number.

[ishkabibble]

Do states cast a ballot?

More or less.

[rn79870]

Another idea.Instead of governmental intervention as far as safe storage of guns, would anyone support a form of strict liability for gun owners? That is, each owner is responsible for any damage/injury caused by his/her gun whether or not he/she caused it. IE, a 5 year old gets possession of a gun and shoots it, hitting a passing motorist. The owner would be responsible in civil court just as if he had shot the motorist? Thoughts?

[AZhitman]

Another idea.Instead of governmental intervention as far as safe storage of guns, would anyone support a form of strict liability for gun owners? That is, each owner is responsible for any damage/injury caused by his/her gun whether or not he/she caused it. IE, a 5 year old gets possession of a gun and shoots it, hitting a passing motorist. The owner would be responsible in civil court just as if he had shot the motorist? Thoughts?

Already exists... Although tightening it up even further could certainly help, and I'd not oppose it.

However, it looks like the Senate was pretty one-sided on it:

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...15703

[skylndrftr]

Government regulations aren't to thank for airbags.

Airbags were made law in 1984 so that they were required as of 1990. Ford and Chevy didnt introduce airbags until the 1984 model year.

A state traditionally votes a certain way, or is led by a governor who is affiliated with a certain party.

Moving from 5 to 46 in a couple weeks makes me feel much safer.

[szh]

I always find these lists fascinating

Did I ever show you guys my statistical analysis that showed that breathing air is the leading ultimate cause of death? And no one talks about it?

There is also 100% correlation between breathing air and all forms of cancer and heart disease, etc., etc., etc.

Z

[themadscientist]

I think it interesting to consider that D.C. a city state a few square miles in span, the seat of federal government and with complete gun prohibition laws handily eclipses other actual states. way to go D.C. !

[Cold_Zero]

Another idea.Instead of governmental intervention as far as safe storage of guns, would anyone support a form of strict liability for gun owners? That is, each owner is responsible for any damage/injury caused by his/her gun whether or not he/she caused it. IE, a 5 year old gets possession of a gun and shoots it, hitting a passing motorist. The owner would be responsible in civil court just as if he had shot the motorist? Thoughts?

Again, I think that your attempt to 'hold gun owners MORE accountable' is focused on the wrong section of people. Instead of penalizing gun owners that have had their weapons stolen, why not first penalize anyone who uses a firearm in the course of a crime? Throw the book at them! But hey, this is not a new idea that I am advocating. Apparently the great State of Virginia already does this through Project Exile.See, this is what I resent about politicians. They get together, pass a few laws, pat themselves on the back and say, "We just fought crime." No jails were built in the course of their legislation to relieve overcrowding, more cops were not put on the streets to enforce the existing or new law, there are probably already the same law on the books that are not being enforced and 'No Truth in Sentencing' laws are even passed to keep criminals in jail for their entire sentence! Why not first go after the criminals. Then we can talk about gun owners that shrug their responsibility.

And to your example, Bob. In Indiana if the parent supplied the firearm and the 5 year old shot a motorist, the parent would be prosecuted for the crime. We have such a case (with out the motorist and insert a kid) in Indianapolis that the Republican Prosecutor has filed. So you will probably find that parents can be charged with criminal negligence in these cases.

[skylndrftr]

There is also 100% correlation between breathing air and all forms of cancer and heart disease, etc., etc., etc.

Sounds to me like your saying that unborn children aren't people...does that invalidate the arguement against abortion?



P.S. just a little humor guys just a little humor