Gofast1 wrote:Ivan, I would love to know about all these 'problems' you are having with our stuff since you and I talked one time about an issue that was resolved months ago. I think it's incredibly poor taste to trash another vendor on an public forum right after you have released a product in direct competition with us.
Let me address this nonsense. I don't know what pictures you have of intercooler piping there, but it isn't ours, ours doesn't look anything like that. Also, as ANYONE who has dealt with us can attest, IF there had been a problem, it would have been fixed. We even pay shipping both ways if there is an issue with one of our products. So I am sorry but I have to call BS on this one bud.:bsflag
The WG problem you are speaking of has been addressed, is gone, has been gone and you know it. By the way all of our manis are now TIG welded and have been for over 7 months, I am not even going to go into that because it has beaten to death on this thread and others.
Also Ivan, the manifold you are speaking of where the coating came off, and you know the one I mean, came off for one reason. By your customer's own lips:
"Marc, the coating is peeling because I spilled some oil onto two fo the runners, will this create a problem with the warranty?"
No, it doesn't. We warranty it anyway. But in manufacturing, as you well know Ivan, you can't run across many coatings that will withstand 1000+ degrees and motor oil. Not unless you own a half million dollar booth.
Marc
I will have both customers who purchased products from you post their opinions on your products.
I answered the question that was asked "who has experience with these manifolds" honestly and truthfully for all members including yourself to read. I am not hiding who I am or trying to stab anybody in the back. This forum is for information and that is what I am providing.
I thought long and hard about posting in response to the question asked. I dont want people to get the impression that I am trash talking. I came to the conclusion that this info SHOULD be out in the open reguardless of how people may view me or my intentions. I believe that I posted in a professional manner EXACTLY what I experienced and noticed about your products. No trash talking just fact. You state that talking about this in a public forum is in bad taste but I dont believe that one bit. This IS the place to talk about these things. Why wouldnt you want somebody to talk about what has been and is going on with your products? Why would it be in good taste to talk about the good without talking about the bad.
The intecooler was represented to me by Phil as being from IAP and with the quality of fabrication I had no reason to doubt him. I have been trying to get in touch with him to double check that is the case. If it is not the case then I will imeadiatly remove all references to that being your kit. If it is your kit, I will have him provide the purchase reciept for the kit so that I can scan that and post it.
As far as the dump tube upgrade, I am glad that you fixed that. In my original post, I stated that problem was addressed. I am sure it was easy once you got the manifold that I had to modify for Matt back at your shop to copy.
I dont know when the manifold that I just installed on Phil's car was made but I can ASSURE you that there were MIG welds on it.
As far as your coating is concerned. When I spoke to you months ago about the problems with your manifolds, you had stated that you had just spent $30,000 on a setup so that you could heat coat "in house" instead of sending out for coating like you had in the past. Phil's (unused) first manifold from IAP was sent back to you and the new design was just sent back to him. Does this manifold have the new coating on it? If it does, then the coating burned off this one in 2 min at Idle. I never dynoed his car and it never did anything here but idle. I also talked to Matt today about his manifold and asked him if it was him that said anything about oil on the coating and he said it wasnt him. So as far as BS, I think that flag your raising is for YOU. I dont know what coating your using but the coating we use here isnt affected by oil and wont ever peel or crack or burn below 1600°.
Matt told me today that he has your new updated manifold and will be back in town in a week and a half (he is at school) at which time he will bring it back to me to install. I will also need to modify the DP that I built for the "old" manifold to get it to fit your new manifold. As you remember, both the manifolds that we had discussions about months ago had the manifold to head flanges welded to the manifold upside down. I will take video of the initial start up and what happens to the heat coating at idle.
I am glad that your back on the forum to discuss these things but I am wondering why you havent mentioned anything about how the flanges got welded on upside down. In another post you stated you fired the fabricator that did your manifolds because of the boost creep issue. Why would you do that? Did this person intentionally put too small tubing in? Did you not check them out before you shipped them? Who designed the manifold? Why would you fire this person and not the person that designed the manifold? What about the person that welded the flanges on upside down? Why would you let somebody so careless fabricate for you?
Who is making the flanges for you? It is a fact that Phil's manifold would not go on the studs on the head. Hopefully Matt's new manifold will go on. If not, expect a video.
I am glad that your at least trying to address the problems with your manifolds and the fabrication of them. I am glad that you opened the dump to WG as I had suggested. I really think that there is a call for a cheap manifold for those that dont mind compromising quality of construction or placement of turbo for cheap HP. I hope that in the long run they work out OK. I personally wouldnt put that kind of stuff on MY car. I respect when something is designed for as little compromise as possible. I wouldnt want to have to wrap my brake master cylinder in heat wrap or have an ugly shield on it because of where the turbo is placed. But thats me. My opinion. And this is what this forum is about.
I do believe that there are others that wont mind paying for somthing that doesnt make those compromises. Hell, there are people out there that are trying to make DSM turbos fit their cars with adapters. I wouldnt do that. Again, thats me. Some day these people might apprciate a properly designed manifold that is fabricated well. Untill they do, there is always people out there willing to make compromises to their product to make a quick buck.
I dont care if I ever sell a manifold. I have enough work to keep me busy for the rest of my life. There are at least 20 cars here for everything from turbo installs to full motor builds. I built the PhatKA-T.com manifold for ME and for people that think like me. If and when I get some manifolds out there, I will be happy to take the good with the bad on the forums. But being an established fabrication shop for the past 15 years and the experienced people with decades of fabricating under their belts, I am sure that the good will outweigh the bad.
As with anything new, kinks have to be worked out, and it looks like some really like it.
