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idahotuner wrote:well i have been bouncing back and forth between the gt35 and gt3076 but this newest graph from full race fora gt3076 has kinda sealed it for me. for a mostly street driven car that is crazy. power exactly were i want it and with my set up it will actually be faster then this. i can stay hydraulic lifters and keep 264 cams . it will be beastly
Well that dyno run was also maxing the turbo out on race gas @ 33psi. The twin-scroll 35R wouldn't need that much boost to obtain similar numbers. But I see what you mean, you're also wanting it to hit full boost closer to 4k rpm.

Here's the thread on the car that put up those numbers in the above dyno, if anyone is interested...

http://forums2.fresh-alloy.com...90508

You have to take out the dash inbetween "fresh" and "alloy." I guess NICO doesn't allow links to other forums?


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tuner,

have you asembled you ride back together? is it at the shop? man i'd like to know where you end up b/c we have similiar set ups so this way i know what to expect. what cams are you going with? im going with BC 264 in 272 ex. so when you get a chance post up!

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well you see th thing is to make that much power on either turbo you will have to run race gas. so why not have all that power sooner. and more streetable. i need to cal land talk to geoff still.

i want to do the gt35r but i dont feel like reving to 9 grand. or setting up my head to do that.

right now i have bc264 cams

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were you running any other big turbo with those cams?

did you have the cams installed after the big turbo?

how much better did it respond with the 264's?

can you explain to me why you're saying that stagger is something you wouldnt do... everything on the exhaust side is bigger than the intake side so i dont really see what bad could from that, at the same time; im by no means the subject matter expert. i know you've bilt a couple of these so let me know the 411.

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idahotuner wrote:well you see th thing is to make that much power on either turbo you will have to run race gas. so why not have all that power sooner. and more streetable. i need to cal land talk to geoff still.

i want to do the gt35r but i dont feel like reving to 9 grand. or setting up my head to do that.

right now i have bc264 cams
idaho -- not to jack your thread but I bought your old turbo and we finally put it all together and gave it a little run. It made 247 whp at 10 psi and then made 334 whp and 296 ft lbs of torque at 17 psi until the waste gate actuator crapped out on me. It would boost spike up to like 1.8 bar of boost-- the timing was retarded so it did not do any real damage but did you ever have any trouble with the wastegate on this? How much boost did you through at your s13 engine with the gt2871R?

I am running a apexi power fc and 740cc injectors.

appreciate it and by the way your numbers look great.

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also have you thought about using a sr20ve head

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This is gonna be sick...now Do it!!! lol

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playero_loko wrote:were you running any other big turbo with those cams?

did you have the cams installed after the big turbo?

how much better did it respond with the 264's?

can you explain to me why you're saying that stagger is something you wouldnt do... everything on the exhaust side is bigger than the intake side so i dont really see what bad could from that, at the same time; im by no means the subject matter expert. i know you've bilt a couple of these so let me know the 411.
i ran 264s with my gt2871r .64 planing on running the the same cams if i do the gt3076r. staggering is just harder to tune and it seems like the gains is not worth the effort.

the 264s kick in good at 4000 and pull al lthe way to 8 grand.

when i raced this sti, running 16 psi. he was stock. he would beat me off the line, but in 2nd i would pull up dead even with him we would both be in third at all most the same time, but as soon as boost kicked i nat 3500 and cams kicked in i was pulling away lieka mofo, and he had to shift into 4th while i was still in 3rd pulling away. so yes i love these cams
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idaho -- not to jack your thread but I bought your old turbo and we finally put it all together and gave it a little run. It made 247 whp at 10 psi and then made 334 whp and 296 ft lbs of torque at 17 psi until the waste gate actuator crapped out on me. It would boost spike up to like 1.8 bar of boost-- the timing was retarded so it did not do any real damage but did you ever have any trouble with the wastegate on this? How much boost did you through at your s13 engine with the gt2871R?

I am running a apexi power fc and 740cc injectors.

appreciate it and by the way your numbers look great.
what boost controller are you using. basically my wastegate didnt do anything. i had it all controled with my avc-r no spikes or anything. but when i turned the controller off it held 10psi fine, and that was the reading on both the manual boost gauge and the avc-r.

i had it al lthe way up to 24psi on the dyno. your set up must be a little different then mine. cause i made 328 at 10 psi and 250 ft lbs of tq
grmreapr wrote:also have you thought about using a sr20ve head
i am watching mazworxs build on FA, but i dont think the gain will be worth the work.i will just polish the crap out of my head. wit ha turbo and running boost, when the casting is rough it causes scavaging, meaning the air catches the wall then flows over its self. and the more boost you run the more it catches on the walls and thhe hole it flows though i nthe center gets smaller, this is impossible to stop, but if the head is polished then at low bost levels it will flow as if there was no scavaging, but as you up boost is will only restrict as much as the low boost settings on stock head. therefor more air flow means more power.
DriftBoy07 wrote:This is gonna be sick...now Do it!!! lol
yes i got all my rings gapped, and pistons assembled, the flywheel and rotating mass is atthe machine shop to be balanced and resurfaced. then i cna assemble the bottem end. and i am going to start pollishing the head.

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idahotuner wrote:
basically my wastegate didnt do anything. i had it all controled with my avc-r no spikes or anything. but when i turned the controller off it held 10psi fine, and that was the reading on both the manual boost gauge and the avc-r.

i had it al lthe way up to 24psi on the dyno. your set up must be a little different then mine. cause i made 328 at 10 psi and 250 ft lbs of tq i am watching mazworxs build on FA, but i dont think the gain will be worth the work.
I am using a greddy porfec b boost controller and running some greddy easy cams. Love the vtc cams which makes a good deal of hp at lower rpm.it should just run off the wastegate spring which is 10 lbs? Maybe they just wanted to sell a HKS adjustable arm. I am kinda confused about that as well cause he said that be hooked an air compressor up to it and it would not move as in open for higher boost applications --

think the diaphragm went out on it and is causing inconsistant boost
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thats weird because, when i had to take the water return lines off i disconnect the wastegate from the flap, then to connect it again i used and aircompressor to ope nthe diaphragm and hook it back into place o nthe flapper.

greddy profec bs are known to spiek alot. i did alot of research on them when doing my build. thats why i went avc-r

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idahotuner,

whats that blue color the original color your car came with?

i was looking into painting mine blue as well... more in the likes of a sti blue, even tho thats not my favorite color the sti blue is really awesome! along with the t/i bronze will i have in order... what color code is that?

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idahotuner wrote:i get to much s*** front cops without it
how about if you keep it inside by the driver's side in your dash? lots of people here in Hawaii do that and as far as i know it isnt that big of a deal...

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playero_loko wrote:idahotuner,

whats that blue color the original color your car came with?

i was looking into painting mine blue as well... more in the likes of a sti blue, even tho thats not my favorite color the sti blue is really awesome! along with the t/i bronze will i have in order... what color code is that?
mine is dayton blue not sure o nthe code. its fatory nissan 350z color though. infact WC has soem forsale right now fora really good deal.
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how about if you keep it inside by the driver's side in your dash? lots of people here in Hawaii do that and as far as i know it isnt that big of a deal...
yeah i think i might end up doing that

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idahotuner wrote:thats weird because, when i had to take the water return lines off i disconnect the wastegate from the flap, then to connect it again i used and aircompressor to ope nthe diaphragm and hook it back into place o nthe flapper.

greddy profec bs are known to spiek alot. i did alot of research on them when doing my build. thats why i went avc-r
nope when the boost controller turned off it would just boost freely to 20+ lbs -- it is the diagram not operating properly. It was operating properly for 2-3 pulls then it would not work correctly -- might have been stuck open.

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thats weird man i dont know what to tell ya.

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well here are some pics from our auto show today.

our auto club project car lol

one sick a** mini.

it was a task to get on our dyno. made 40 hp to the wheels but he only weighs in at 1400 pounds, he is going to do a b18 or b16 vtec swap then it will haul

my buddies civic si and my 240 yeah.

now me i nthe pic.



ok here are some more.

lol i towed my car backwars to the show lol cause that was the only tow hook.



and our emblems draggen lol



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nice!

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nice pics man...

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thanks i had to give you guys something to look at since my engine isnt much to look at right now

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NICE wheels.... they make those in a 5 lug as well?

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no the elites only come in 4 lug. they are a copy of works though. but have an awesome offset and size, plus being 4 lug is awesome.

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idahotuner wrote:plus being 4 lug is awesome.
I might have to sig that lol

So you towed your engine-less car to show it off in a car show?

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it was the alumini car show at my university, so i dragged it across campus from the dorm lol. i had to represent for the auto club. and plus having no engines got me alot of questions about what is going into it.

and i moved the front plate.

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well i am bored so i put together the parts list of things i need to get so i can get my car going how i want it to.

FULL-RACE Gen 2 SR RWD Prostreet Twinscroll T3 ManifoldGen 2 SR RWD 3.0in. DownpipeTial 44mm WastegateGarret GT3076 .78A/r Twinscroll Turbo

$3318

Enjuku NGK Iridium Spark Plug Set for Nissan SR20DET- Heat Range Heat 9 $39.99 AEM EMS w/ Wideband UEGO for Nissan S13 SR20DET 89-94 $1,549.00JWT Top Feed Fuel Rail - Nissan SR20DET S13 $129.99 *ISIS Oil Filter relocation Kit 119.99 B&M Short Throw Shifter Nissan 240sx 89-98 229.99*ISIS SR20DET Turbo Lines Top Mount $119.99

$2,188.95

P2M GT Oil Drain Kit $55.00Xcessive T3 Turbo : Heat Shield $78.00S13 SR20DET Oil Strainer (Oil Pickup) $45.00OEM SR20DET Thermostat $25.00OEM S13 SR20DET Water Pump Assembly $55.00S13/ SR20DET Spark Plug Well Gasket $25.00S13/ SR20DET Valve Cover Gasket $25.00OEM SR20DET Intake Manifold Gasket $14.95SR20DET 3 Layer Metal Exhaust Manifold Gasket $27.00SR20DET Rear Main Seal $18.95Mishimoto Fan Shroud Kit $185.50ACT Heavy Duty Sprung 6 Puck : $393.00

$947.40

Different Places / EBAY oil pan $40RC 96lb injectors $120Aeromotive FPR $1203 Bar MAp Sensor $?IAT sensor $?

Once september comes i will be looking for deals on these. but right now this is how it looks like things will go.


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well after doing alot of reading and looking at funds i have decided to do some of my own head work. you will be ableto see pictures pretty soon.

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idahotuner wrote:
Enjuku NGK Iridium Spark Plug Set for Nissan SR20DET- Heat Range Heat 9 $39.99 AEM EMS w/ Wideband UEGO for Nissan S13 SR20DET 89-94 $1,549.00JWT Top Feed Fuel Rail - Nissan SR20DET S13 $129.99 *ISIS Oil Filter relocation Kit 119.99 B&M Short Throw Shifter Nissan 240sx 89-98 229.99*ISIS SR20DET Turbo Lines Top Mount $119.99

$2,188.95
I can get you a much better deal on the EMS w/UEGO.
idahotuner wrote: Different Places / EBAY oil pan $40RC 96lb injectors $120Aeromotive FPR $1203 Bar MAp Sensor $?IAT sensor $?
I can also get you these for cheaper.

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idahotuner wrote:RC 96lb injectors $120
idahotuner,

you sould look into the bosch 1000cc injectors, they're saturated and top feed as those RC inj you're trying to ge it, except those rc are peak and hold... also i can tell you that they are a perfect fit for the jgy top feed fuel rail i just put this on last week and i can tell you that you'd be pleased. no need for driver box, resistors or any of that junk , quick splice into the inj harness and youre done!

link: http://www.t1raceparts.com/100...s.htm

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that would be nice. i know the msd styled injectors are you have to do is re solder the clips for the injectors. if the bosche are the same way i will go with them.
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I can get you a much better deal on the EMS w/UEGO.

I can also get you these for cheaper.
ok sweet. i was looking at the oil pans of ebay that are freddy type. or the welded sheet metal ones. but any where i cna save money would be awesome.

i forgot to have my head gasket on that list. going with a cosworth 90x1.1 gasket or 1.5 depending on how much is taken off my head when it is decked

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big list so are you going with the stock oil pan?

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idahotuner wrote:ok sweet. i was looking at the oil pans of ebay that are freddy type. or the welded sheet metal ones. but any where i cna save money would be awesome.
Well I actually just bolded the injectors, map sensor, and IAT sensor, but it didn't show up for some reason?

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MastaYu wrote:big list so are you going with the stock oil pan?
no over sized oil pan. not sure which one. might do a welded sheet metal one or a freddy one that i will clean up.


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