I will not be purchasing another Infiniti

[Ilya]

For me it has to be LS460 as a next car if I don't get an updated Q70 at some point (5.6 only, will not consider the 3.7).

[EdBwoy]

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I had one of these as a loaner last week while I was having the oil changed and battery update. You can read all about this model online so I will only share my experience with it. First of all, my loaner was the SUV model, not the crossover:
No push button, actual key that you turn:
Turn signal, lights and wipers on the left side:
Sport, Eco and manual modes only. Push button park:

Wow, so Euro! I knew Infiniti was partnering with the Mercedes folk, but I didn't know how much. Those features are so Benz-like. Say, did they also throw the cruise control switch on the left so you can inadvertently turn on cruise control while trying to activate the turn signals?

Not sure if they were trying for more market penetration or what kind of synergy Benz had in mind, but this to me is an odd partnership - price it just a few grand less on MSRP, the Infiniti rated for lower mpg, etc... But hey, if they have to roll in bed with the Europeans for us end users to experience panoramic roofs among other fast-aging tech, it's cool.

[M37xfan]

I think the Q60 is cool..sat in one at the dealer

[Ilya]

Watching CNN/election and what I don't understand is why in almost ALL Infiniti commercials they NEVER show the FX/QX70 and M/Q70. For years I've noticed this. It's always the Q50, EX/QXwhatevernumberitis, JX35/whatevernumberthatis, and QX56/whateverstupidnumberthatdoesntmakesensethatis.

[EdBwoy]

Watching CNN/election and what I don't understand is why in almost ALL Infiniti commercials they NEVER show the FX/QX70 and M/Q70. For years I've noticed this. It's always the Q50, EX/QXwhatevernumberitis, JX35/whatevernumberthatis, and QX56/whateverstupidnumberthatdoesntmakesensethatis.

Haha, I noticed that too. It's like you have to know the secret handshake to get the dealer to show you the cars in some backroom.

My opinion is that the FX* and M* series are for purists, not too many people looking for an entry level luxury car and accidentally stumble into an M56*. Everything else is a people-mover and will be pushed out to get numbers (think about the crossover craze). Heck, IIRC, when I was spec'ing the Q50 I believe I saw the option of cloth seats. Not necessarily a bad thing, since some people want the driving thrill without the frills, but that was interesting.
At the end of the day, Nissan has stakeholders and as much as they'll toss a GTR here and a 370z there to appease the enthusiasts, at the end of the day I bet their margins on the Altima, Q50, Murano, Rogue, JX35*...etc is what keeps the caviar on the table.
Weird vehicle is the new QX56*. Not sure why, but I see about 10 of those for every M37/M56* I see. I mean I know they're a very capable truck and possibly good value for an offroad-luxo, plus good value compared to the American trucks - they just seem to be flying off the lots.

*please insert the new confusing nomenclature where applicable.

[Ilya]

*please insert the new confusing nomenclature where applicable.

HA! I still don't really like that change. I have no idea what engine is in a car by looking at the name. It used to be so easy.

[armybrat]

*please insert the new confusing nomenclature where applicable.

HA! I still don't really like that change. I have no idea what engine is in a car by looking at the name. It used to be so easy.

LOL, have to look at the engine size badging on the fenders.

[Ilya]

HA! I still don't really like that change. I have no idea what engine is in a car by looking at the name. It used to be so easy.

LOL, have to look at the engine size badging on the fenders.

Right, but when looking at cars on autotrader, etc. it's much more different to quickly know as they dont' always list 3.7 or 5.6.

[InfinitiAce]

Watching CNN/election and what I don't understand is why in almost ALL Infiniti commercials they NEVER show the FX/QX70 and M/Q70. For years I've noticed this. It's always the Q50, EX/QXwhatevernumberitis, JX35/whatevernumberthatis, and QX56/whateverstupidnumberthatdoesntmakesensethatis.

The Q70 and QX70 do not sell well. Year to date they only sold 4,946 Q70s and 4,433 QX70s. They sold 34,000 Q50s, and 34,000 QX60s. They even sold 13,000 QX50s and 13,000 QX80s.

It wouldn't make sense to have a big advertising campaign when you only sell 5,000 of that car. Here are the full sales if anyone is interested:

http://infinitinews.com/en-US/infiniti/ ... -u-s-sales

[Ilya]

I don't mean a full campaign...they can still 'feature' the Q50 in the commercial but at the end when they show 4-5 vehicles...why not include ALL of the lines? That's the part I'm curious about...why they leave 2 vehicles out of the final screenshot every time.

[M37xfan]

EdBwoy-basically hit the nail on the head. Every manufacturer have their "staple' model(s). It is not necessarily that the Q70 and QX70 do not sell well it is just that they are not the staples for Infiniti. If you notice you will see a ton of Q50 ads and now I see quite a few QX30 ads.

Check this link out also with their global sales record for October

http://infinitinews.com/en-US/infiniti/ ... or-october


Also note, Infiniti is a fairly young company when compared to its competitors it was launced in 1989!!

[Larz]

Seems Infiniti is not all that keen on promoting or selling any full size cars. Infiniti hasn't updated, redesigned, or even improved the Q70 aside from new front end and tail lights for years. The QX80 (or as I call it: beached sperm whale) is a very popular seller here but not because of adverts. Americans who can afford them still want the biggest, baddest SUV they can find. To promote the Q70, Infiniti have to actually allocate more units to dealers first, then start to advertise. My dealer might have as many as 6-7 Q70s on offer at any given time compared to 30 Q50s and nearly as many Q30s and Q60s.
If you consider the cost of producing and stocking more Q70s in the hopes of gaining maybe 1-2% increase in sales, it seems very risky. The best Infiniti can do is to actually BUILD a completely new Q70, include the same comfort features that rival cars have, and then promote the living crap out of it. They need to make the Q70 worth trying and more appealing to the first time Infiniti buyer before they can promote it.
To me, it's a laugh to see a $70,000 long version sedan with no window curtains, no rear seat controls, a small moon roof, a hard armrest with 2 cup holders, and the same interior design that has been stale for years. There really isn't much to attract buyers to the large Infiniti sedans when Hyundai has options not available in the Q70 and other high-end sedans have more luxury. At least upgrade the Walmart quality carpeting and add sound deadening materials for Peter's sake!
Mind you, I love my M and even the pensioner looking body of the newer Ms and Qs are growing on me, but for me to buy another full size Infiniti sedan, there has to be a reason other than brand loyalty. Infiniti need to work out what large luxury / sport sedan buyers want and then actually BUILD it. "If you build it, they will come".
Until there is something worth buying, there is no benefit from promoting it.

[M37xfan]

Larz, I believe what you are talking about will be the Q80. From the infiniti usa website:

The Q80 Inspiration: A brave statement of intent

HONG KONG – Infiniti's first foray into the upper echelons of the premium sedan category comes in the alluring shape of the Q80 Inspiration – a bold concept that hints at future Infiniti design language and smart powertrain technology.

From the convention-breaking proportions and arresting body styling, the full-size Infiniti Q80 Inspiration four-door fastback marks a brave and innovative conceptual charge into a challenging sector.

"The Q80 Inspiration concept was born to disrupt the premium sedan category," said Francois Bancon, Infiniti Vice President, Product Strategy. "We aim to do this with elegance, style, and emotion. Q80 Inspiration is how we see the future in terms of moving people in the higher end of our portfolio. This car is making a statement. Q80 Inspiration is a precursor of a production model in this segment and, as such, integral to our future."

http://www.infinitiusa.com/now/future-v ... .240189298

[Ilya]

Too bad it's only a concept. Concepts rarely look like that and if they do, they are 10 years away.

[DredM56]

Idk the Q60 is pretty close to the concept. They definitely need to up their game though. Used they are a value but new they are too expensive

[Ilya]

The Q60 concept and real car are pretty close, I'll give you that. But THAT concept interior is something from a movie lol.

[Pimperish1]

When Infiniti first brought the M over here it was a beauty of a beast. It was "Wifey-Proof" (Wifey-Proof: the condition of being immune to "arguments of "lacking familial-practicality" usually brought about by wives and or expectant mothers, against the ownership of high performance autos. I was sold. But then they did the next gen and suddenly the car went from 345 horse to 330 in the V8. Why, who does that? That to me was a step backwards and took them down a peg or two.

When they announced the third gen I got back in line and once they released the performance specs I basically camped the f*** out. But they couldn't help but disappoint. I walked into the dealership with probably more knowledge about the specs of the car than the salesman. I was full on "M groupie". Yet still this guy spent the entire test drive trying to convince me that I didn't need to spend and additional $40K for 90 more horses, "the v6 is enough", Motherf**ker I'm not here for your opinion! I was biting my tongue SO HARD. It was bad enough that I had to involve corporate for them to finally let me test drive the 56 they had in stock. I felt like they thought I was a combination of too young and too dark to be taken seriously.

They didn't know but I already had a green light to buy. I came in one morning right after my night shift, took my deposit and immediately drove from Hartford to PEPE Infiniti in White Plains because they understood I wasn't about the BS. Pepe actually poached a car fitting my spec sheet which was in transit to Texas and had it redirected.

One might have thought that things would improve after that but in the time I've had my car I've had way too many conversations with corporate than I care to remember. And even so I get the impression that corporate has little to no influence on the behavior of the dealership. Or they just pretend to care and let them call the shots.

Fast forward to gen four and with the Q70L which they are pushing so much. They made MORE car and gave it LESS motor. I actually had one of the "girls" at the NYIAS this year try to argue that fact with me, then try to tell me the Q70L and Q70(56) had the same power output. She was really cute but I broke down the math and couldn't hide it. She did an abrupt about face and walked away. When she got to her colleagues my buddies told me the whole group turned in our direction. Sorry, all outta f***ks.

For a brand that touts performance as a selling point, in my opinion they could learn a lesson or two from Kia and their Stinger. Everyone else is trying to push hard ahead, Infiniti seems confused about which direction that's in. Why would they get rid of 4WAS?

I LOVE my car. My GF gets reminders as needed of the wifey-proof concept and has come to terms with QT time with the M as a thing for me. But unless I happen to find myself with an option that doesn't involve my current area dealership group for service, without driving 50+ miles, this M will be my last Infiniti as well.

GF doesn't realize yet but the Merc E63S 4matic AMG is in the cross hairs and it too, is Wifey-Proof.

[hulk1602]

When Infiniti first brought the M over here it was a beauty of a beast. It was "Wifey-Proof" (Wifey-Proof: the condition of being immune to "arguments of "lacking familial-practicality" usually brought about by wives and or expectant mothers, against the ownership of high performance autos. I was sold. But then they did the next gen and suddenly the car went from 345 horse to 330 in the V8. Why, who does that? That to me was a step backwards and took them down a peg or two.

When they announced the third gen I got back in line and once they released the performance specs I basically camped the f*** out. But they couldn't help but disappoint. I walked into the dealership with probably more knowledge about the specs of the car than the salesman. I was full on "M groupie". Yet still this guy spent the entire test drive trying to convince me that I didn't need to spend and additional $40K for 90 more horses, "the v6 is enough", Motherf**ker I'm not here for your opinion! I was biting my tongue SO HARD. It was bad enough that I had to involve corporate for them to finally let me test drive the 56 they had in stock. I felt like they thought I was a combination of too young and too dark to be taken seriously.

They didn't know but I already had a green light to buy. I came in one morning right after my night shift, took my deposit and immediately drove from Hartford to PEPE Infiniti in White Plains because they understood I wasn't about the BS. Pepe actually poached a car fitting my spec sheet which was in transit to Texas and had it redirected.

One might have thought that things would improve after that but in the time I've had my car I've had way too many conversations with corporate than I care to remember. And even so I get the impression that corporate has little to no influence on the behavior of the dealership. Or they just pretend to care and let them call the shots.

Fast forward to gen four and with the Q70L which they are pushing so much. They made MORE car and gave it LESS motor. I actually had one of the "girls" at the NYIAS this year try to argue that fact with me, then try to tell me the Q70L and Q70(56) had the same power output. She was really cute but I broke down the math and couldn't hide it. She did an abrupt about face and walked away. When she got to her colleagues my buddies told me the whole group turned in our direction. Sorry, all outta f***ks.

For a brand that touts performance as a selling point, in my opinion they could learn a lesson or two from Kia and their Stinger. Everyone else is trying to push hard ahead, Infiniti seems confused about which direction that's in. Why would they get rid of 4WAS?

I LOVE my car. My GF gets reminders as needed of the wifey-proof concept and has come to terms with QT time with the M as a thing for me. But unless I happen to find myself with an option that doesn't involve my current area dealership group for service, without driving 50+ miles, this M will be my last Infiniti as well.

GF doesn't realize yet but the Merc E63S 4matic AMG is in the cross hairs and it too, is Wifey-Proof.

So they had the 56 in stock but would not let you drive it? What was their excuse? It's a shame how a bad dealer can make or break your experience and influence some people's decision (not that they deterred you from pursuing what you wanted).
It's too bad this car has not gotten a real remodel in the last year or two. I understand it's a smaller segment now with the compacts and crossovers taking over but it would be nice to have something that can truly complete in this class so I don't blame you for looking elsewhere. If you ever reconsider the brand try George Harte in Wallingford. Took some test drives there a couple of years ago and had a very good experience. Just my $.02.

[Ilya]

Rumor has it Infiniti will be all electric (thus the death of the V8 as Top Gear/Grand Tour has made mention of many many times) by like 2022. I want nothing to do with electric for MY car...for my wife I'll definitely consider it. My car needs to have sound/emotion.

So that being said, I'll likely get an off-lease Q70 around that time that is like a 2019/2020 and that'll also likely be my last Infiniti sedan. Lexus LS and Audi A8 are looking far better these days...

Sad thing is, I've had 4 Nissans/Infinitis...two Maxima's and my two M's...and they are about to lose a loyal customer with their, as previously mentioned, steps back.

[JCesar]

The Q70 lost it already. compared to all the other manufactures our cars come with nothing as far as options for the back seat. not even a 12v port or usb charging port for the back

[Pimperish1]

It kills me inside. When they introduced the refresh in 2010 NOBODY outside of die hards new about it. I was snapping necks left and right but they never marketed the car. I essentially had a sleeper with that V8 because no one knew what I had until I smoked them and they googled the bagde. I still kinda do because you don't see many V8 M's around. They had a machine I would, and still regularly use to trounce Audi's and BMWs, but you never saw and still don't see any ads for it. They shot themselves in the foot if you ask me.

Hulk, I'm beyond over Harte Infiniti group. I took my car down to thier dealership in New Haven a few months in, hoping the BS was limited to Hartford and those guys blew off my complaint about the noise from the A/C compressor. The same one Infiniti ended up issuing the service bulletin on.

[Ilya]

It kills me inside. When they introduced the refresh in 2010 NOBODY outside of die hards new about it. I was snapping necks left and right but they never marketed the car. I essentially had a sleeper with that V8 because no one knew what I had until I smoked them and they googled the bagde. I still kinda do because you don't see many V8 M's around. They had a machine I would, and still regularly use to trounce Audi's and BMWs, but you never saw and still don't see any ads for it. They shot themselves in the foot if you ask me.

Hulk, I'm beyond over Harte Infiniti group. I took my car down to thier dealership in New Haven a few months in, hoping the BS was limited to Hartford and those guys blew off my complaint about the noise from the A/C compressor. The same one Infiniti ended up issuing the service bulletin on.

I've never seen an V8 other than mine lol. We're driving unicorns guys.

As for marketing...Infiniti never shows the M. Even at the end of the commercials where they have 4-5 vehicles, the M is ALWAYS missing.

[Pimperish1]

I've never seen an V8 other than mine lol. We're driving unicorns guys.

As for marketing...Infiniti never shows the M. Even at the end of the commercials where they have 4-5 vehicles, the M is ALWAYS missing.

LMAO! It's actually a game I play. I see an M in traffic and try to sneak a peek at the badge. I get really stoked when I do find one.

[Malbec 56 Beast]

Went to the Infiniti dealer and was there killing time. They had the Q70S 5.6, in two wheel drive. I must say how disappointed I was in the lack of changes from my '13 M56xS. Minor exterior changes and with a $75000 price tag and from what I understand that's about mine cost new to but at least it has awd for our Utah weather.

5 damn years and no real changes and really that's from 2011 WTF are they doing, it appears not much.

Andy

[Pimperish1]

They should tout their artistry in design rather than try to sell this performance mantra that their obviously not committed to.

That sheet metal though.

[paranoidjack]

Wow. Looks cheap. Reinforces my decision to buy ultra low mileage M56s. C'mon, Infiniti.

[M37xfan]

Went to the Infiniti dealer and was there killing time. They had the Q70S 5.6, in two wheel drive. I must say how disappointed I was in the lack of changes from my '13 M56xS. Minor exterior changes and with a $75000 price tag and from what I understand that's about mine cost new to but at least it has awd for our Utah weather.

5 damn years and no real changes and really that's from 2011 WTF are they doing, it appears not much.

Andy

And look at what you would get for $75K from the competitors...I guess the Q80 is coming...but for me that is too little to late...

[M37xfan]

https://www.infiniti.com/vehicles/conce ... ation.html

[walt1227]

I know this is my first and last Infiniti. Not sure what I am going with next but will probably be German. Lexus just does not have anything that makes me want to stay on the Japan automakers. I did like the GSF but the lack of power and torque for a 85k car is underwhelming. Have not heard much about that car since it came out. Will have to look it up on youtube since it is about 2 years old now.

[hulk1602]

I don't think I've ever seen an ad with a M/Q70, and very rarely see others on the road. On one hand I like having something a little different that not everyone else has, and on the other hand it's a shame Infiniti hasn't taken advantage of it's looks because I think it's still one of the most attrative sedans out there.