I WANT 500-RWHP!!!

[Fifth Gear]

I want 500+ whp, but I havent noticed anyone with a ka24de that has that much. I dont come to the site much so I dont know who has what. Who else make ecu chips for the ka other than JWT. Also i noticed that many people are running turbos on a stock block. I thought the compression ratio was to high.

[srdrps13]

i knwo structures running 500 + idk if its to the wheel though? can anyone clarify ? depending on mileage of the motor it is possible to have 500+ with a stock block. the question is how long could you have that. headgasket is definitely recommended though.

[lrb_2000]

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haha... go to http://www.ka-t.org and use the search button here on nico. gg.

and 500whp on a stock block, what are you smokin, it was made due to a boost spike on one engine, but the rod made it's way through the block very shortly after.
Modified by lrb_2000 at 1:02 AM 3/2/2006

[nismofly]

you have no idea what youre getting into, slow down and do some research

[MarkEmark]

I want 500+ whp, but I havent noticed anyone with a ka24de that has that much. I dont come to the site much so I dont know who has what. Who else make ecu chips for the ka other than JWT. Also i noticed that many people are running turbos on a stock block. I thought the compression ratio was to high.

I want a pony.

[AZhitman]

Welcome aboard.

Fix yourself a sandwich, have a seat, and read this entire forum, front to back.

You will then know more than 99% of the general population about big-power KA's.

[AZhitman]

p.s. Have you ever DRIVEN a S-chassis car with, say... 250 whp?

If not, you may want to set your goal a bit lower.

500 is pretty useless on the street... Hell, most drivers aren't skilled enough to use 250, much less 500.

[k6kicker]

Excellent point.....being as light as they are, these cars get stupid fast in a hurry when the HP starts piling up....not to mention wear some fairly thin rubber stock

[Structure240sx]

theres quite a few of us over 500rwhp

so far i have made 531rwhp with a slipping clutch

couple guys are over 600rwhp

this season espect to see a few more and some higher

[GEO]

seriously though anthony, how are you going to make that toyota corolla 500+ horsepower? Your insane.

[crzycav86]

quote]I WANT 500 HP[/QUOTE]

Don't we all.... noob.

[srdrps13]

lol...

[savatoge]

...I havent noticed anyone with a ka24de that has that much.

It would be a good idea to read and read and read...take a nap......and then read some more. You're gonna need to learn a lot in order to pull off 500+ to the wheels safely and reliably.

I dont come to the site much...

For 500+ you need to visit the site _a_lot_ and read and read and read...plus other resources are out there with additional valuable information.

Also i noticed that many people are running turbos on a stock block. I thought the compression ratio was to high.

The prevailing thought used to be that stock rods were good up to a certain hp threshold...some have had experiences that might indicate otherwise, even when running at low RPMs and good overall engine health and fanatical upkeep...

Proper tuning, piston face geometries, rod/stroke ratio, and squish band (as well as a myriad of other variables) can all be tweaked to run compression ratios varied over a great range and still deliver good power and torque. So I wouldn't worry too much at the outset about what the compression ratio is.

Good luck with your project...and most importantly, have fun.

[fiznat]

Oh god, that picture brings up horrible memories....

[AZhitman]

That there's a sexy chunk o' metal....

[hannibal]

I asked the same kinda questions when I first got here. How much power do I need to beat a Viper? and other senseless crap.

I had my first ride in a turbo 240 in January and if a 200whp nearly stock SR car make me smile that much, 500whp is gonna make me piss my pants. And no one daily drives a car that fast, except Anthony, but he's just crazy like that

take your time. you'll learn...

[savatoge]

Oh god, that picture brings up horrible memories....

Sorry Fiz...didn't mean to cause any further pain. On the shoulders of giants though, right?

[Jookmasta]

the compression isnt too high...........enthalpy is the other mainstream KA tuner for our ecu's.

[madskillz]

500 on the stock block is not impossible. U must do the following. First find a local tuner u like and ask what standalone system they are best with using. U must use a standalone. Dont half step on the tuning. I like the AEM (contact me if anything).

Metal head gasket. .40 -90mm bore. Get the head studs ARP. this is a must.u can use thicker.

Recommended rod bolts, and rod bearings. change ur piston rings (after market). Check a injector calculator site for recommended injector size. 850cc may be more than enough but double check. Tomei make some that git the stock rail. Get an ignition system. MSD6a is fine. the MSD6aL just has the limiter feature and the btm just has the Boost timing retard. That will be all up to you. Make sure u do not press the car without the right fuel and ignition timing. the computer will deal with that.

Have the car run a bit rich as rpm and boost climb. this will save the motor and prevent detination. I learned the hard way just thought i would pass the info. Do not press be tempted to push the motor with just the turbo kit. U will blow up. U will. Trust me.

[fiznat]

No no, 500 on the stock block IS impossible. Like others have said, you can probably reach that level on the dyno, but I guarantee you the engine will NOT last long at all. The issue is not tuning, its simple mechanical failure of the parts. That picture above of the rod broken to pieces was mine, and it was NOT a tuning issue (I actually did have the AEM EMS, along with methanol injection and professional quality tuning). The rods simply cannot handle the forces applied in an engine putting out that kind of power. ...And dont even get me started on the pistons.

Not that that's what we're discussing anyways.

EDIT: also what is the point of changing just the piston rings? You say aftermarket, but it isnt the rings themselves that fail, its the ring LANDS- which cant be changed without changing out the whole piston.

[madskillz]

i almost forgot. if u dont already have a differential get one. Dont even play with that one. Either pick up a J30 or buy one after market. this will not only save ur life but will help the car use more of the power.Make sure u get a j30 with a VLSD. some do come with an open diff AVOID those.

get a good clutch. There are those out there that can hold 500 and are very street friendly.

[madskillz]

Your right about that. Over time the stress would cause piston and rod failure. But i wouldnt recommend running around on that power daily. 300 to 400 is reliable on the stock motor. i wouldnt recommend anything higher if u dont change the pisttons and rods

[madskillz]

i have a question. Im considering getting the uego wideband o2 sensor. Would it void my air/fuel gauge and would i have to use AEM's.

[nismofly]

youre lucky if 500 on stock block lasts 15 minutes

Ivan was running forged pistons and stock rods, he had the rod fail at somewhere around 520 rwhp after only a few miles

[madskillz]

545 hp to the floor. 2 years before failure. And he beat the **** out of the car. The transmission however went twice. But that was all his fault and not the transmission's.

[madskillz]

mind u this was done so they could see the cars limits. I would not recommend this to anyone. What works for one person may not work for the next.

[nismofly]

youre saying thats the twins' car?

it was making those numbers with a built block

i can even show you the thread where he had the rod fail after a few miles:

zerothread?id=102072

according to that they got it tuned on the dyno and made a few runs down the street in front of the shop and that was it

[madskillz]

you do know shock peeding the stock rods weaken the structure. It shouldnt but it does. So what have u done to the car now.

In mine i fully built the bottom end. Right now i am breaking in the motor before the car hits the dyno in May just in time for moroso which is june.

Currently researching using the 6speed sr20det transmission.

[nismofly]

the rods come shot peened from the factory

what have i done to the car? i dunno, ive never even seen the car in person...heck never even seen a ka-t in person

my cars getting forged pistons and a new cam, thats about it from an internal standpoint unless something goes wrong

[madskillz]

really. Didnt know. damn well stock really isnt mean to see such things. I've been lucky. My stock rods held up but i cracked 3 pistons. they split from the connection to the top of the piston.