I'm tired of everyone capatalizing on wiring

[opticnerv]

I'm in the process of wiring up my rb25 swap. When completed be prepared for a detailed write up with pictures. The pictures will be available on photobucket and on my server. I will also post the write up on diffrent forums so no one ever has to pay to get their harness made. Unless, of course, they aren't comfortable with wiring, or just have the money and time to have their harness sent out. I'm a poor college student !! I'm sure there are many of you in the same position out there.

[virus77]

Information is already readily available to anyone wanting/willing to take the task of wiring into their own hands.

[scarboroughdub]

agreed, i wired my own s14 rb25 and i have everything working including wiper speed, consult and recalibrating the tach so no box was needed.

All the info is available on the net and fsm's.

Issue is some people arent capable or dont want to.

Good luck.

[240z4u]

There were some great writeups on another site (racebread) but they were lost along time ago. I am sure lots of folks would appreciate a step by step guide.

I used FSM's and figured it out.

Evan

[Carl H]

I find it funny if not a little offensive that you are up in arms about people charging for wiring.I too am a full time college student but yet I've managed to find a way to pay for school while still tinkering with cars.It could be said that I was in your shoes about five years ago now, but that was when there were NO guides and NO information available on these engines and we waited months if not up to years for parts to come over from japan/australia.The info is out there, if anyone chooses to have a go at rewiring their harness its fine by me but people who choose to send me their harnesses do it for several reasons...some being as follows:1) time constraints2) lack of knowlege3) out of comfort zone4) have ability to do it but rather have it done once and right by some one who is trusted.

I would say that most of my harness jobs come from people who are not comfortable with wiring...and I dont blame them.With several variations on all rb harnesses including wire colour changes there is no 'one guide does it all' and it is very possible to fry an ecu or sensor because even tho you followed the wiring guide the wires were the right colour, they went to the wrong pins.For example, I have seen no less than 5 variants on the rb20det r32 harness...and that is in one chassis alone...dont start with the a31 stuff...or even the other r series cars.

Always a catch, man...

[Fibre guy]

Combining the harnesses was the easiest part of the swap....

But I support Carl H's work so just send it to him and forget about making a manual

[Built2Slide]

I am an ASE certified technician and i have been doing wiring and chasing through schematics looking for problems for years now. And i have to agree with Carl, there are so many variations of the wiring for rb's that it can get confusing, and it can put you out of your comfort zone.

My rb starts and runs, but am having some idle issues right now. Still working on it. Hopefully figure it out soon.

If you do make complete wiring instructions to help people, great! But please put the year of the car, the motor that was in it, the year of the new engine, and what series the engine is. There are big differences with the series 1 to 2 engines and the years they were made.

[Bluefire]

I would've done a complete write up on wiring years ago, but then I realized. I would probably get a million emails from idiots that f-ed up trying to wire it. Why is my car not starting, why isn't this working, etc etc...

[Built2Slide]

Figured out my issue with my maf, I had a bad ground in the ecu, fixed that and idles like a champ.

[Darius]

Wow two whole posts and you already know everything there is to know about wiring. Congratulations. Carl obviously offers his wiring service because some people dont have the luxury of shop space or the comfort with soldering, etc.

When you finish your writeup, you can go ahead and post it next to the writeup that I made with ehacker01's base writeup on how to wire the RB25 into an S14 five (5) years ago. You aren't covering anything new here bud. And FYI, this information is not proprietary, secret, or hidden anywhere. It is on rbforums.

/pointless thread.

[craz4240]

Agreed and well I would hand my money to Carl anyday of the week to do my harness.I have done my rb20 to s14 from a pile of screwed up wiring,and my budies rb25 s13 and I still am sending my harness to Carl and suggesting to my friend to do the same.

[ST240]

I have seen no less than 5 variants on the rb20det r32 harness...

Agree. I didnt see mine in any guide on here. My "six wire plug" was actually an eight wire plug and there was no "eight wire plug" that is mentioned in the guides.

[opticnerv]

I will go into detail, by explaining how to read the wiring diagrams, and what to look for.

I will also suggest everyone to contact CarlH, if they :

1. Don't feel comfortable.2. Don't feel like doing it.3. Want a professional and streamlined harness.4. Have the money to spend.

That way everyone can be happy and keep their business.

Wow two whole posts and you already know everything there is to know about wiring. .

Since when do post counts determine anyone's level of skill ? You have 3,000 posts and you think you already know me.
Modified by opticnerv at 4:21 PM 6/26/2009

[Darius]

I am not one to get after people but when someone comes into the RB forum complaining about not being able to find something that most of us in the RB community at least know of in their first two posts on the website, that person loses any assumed credibility as a resource.

I dont claim to know everything and I dont but I know more than you and that's all that matters hahaha. Seriously, save your effort unless you are going to blow us away with the quality of the writeup.

[silviasgp06]

um whats thats stupid expression....... oh yeah

"I think someone JUST GOT SERVED"

[Fibre guy]

I think Nissan just used the color/gauge wire from the lowest bidder... All car companies do.

[opticnerv]

CarlH I'm sure you can wire really well. A lot better than I can, but you can't really get upset if someone wants to try to save money. I'm sure it annoys you because every person that attempts to save money is another customer you loose. You have to keep evolving though. If business from harnesses stop coming in find something else you can do to make some extra money.

ARE YOU EFFIN KIDDING ME?people make money converting harnesses...i do it as a side job since im a full time student.first its the whole 'heres how to swap a rb25 into xx car' and now a wire harness video...jeeez.this makes me sad, really sad actualy...one reason why im slowly seperating my self from this 'scene' no one has any creative flair to them anymore all they want is for some one to spoon feed them and tell them what to do.there is no bright side to this video, it means more work for me when i get hacked up harnesses from some kid who has NO experience in wiring much less any mechanical experience...and i hate repairing hacked harnesses.

I agree 100% with WDRacing. He has more posts than CarlH and Darius ( Darius thinks post counts make you more l33t)

Anyone who see an instructional video as a bad thing IS not seeing the big picture. Is the RB for the elite only now? Why should we be against a noob wanting to go RB instead of SR or KAT etc? When did we start no helping others? When I first came onboard here no one had any idea about anything. Now we have a large group of skilled people who have done great swap projects. Progression is all about sharing...period.

Education and knowledge is never a bad thing. I fail to see where this animosity comes from here. You guys need to get out of the box a bit and see a bigger picture. Just cause you have the RB does not make you special in anyway. This is usually one of the more mature motor forums...

WD

CarlH you say you are slowly separating from the scene because no one is creative, and they want to be spoon fed. In reality it's people like you, people who are money hungry and self centered that are destroying the scene. It's a cheap shot IMO. Everyone knows the wiring isn't that complicated so what's the big deal in "spoon feeding". All it takes is one spoon feeding sticky and the forums wouldn't be flooded with questions about wiring as often. It will even save on bandwidth . Information is free.

[rb240det]

CarlH you say you are slowly separating from the scene because no one is creative, and they want to be spoon fed. In reality it's people like you, people who are money hungry and self centered that are destroying the scene. It's a cheap shot IMO. Everyone knows the wiring isn't that complicated so what's the big deal in "spoon feeding". All it takes is one spoon feeding sticky and the forums wouldn't be flooded with questions about wiring as often. It will even save on bandwidth . Information is free.

You need to relax bro. Carl is neither "money hungry" or "self-centered". He has helped me out countless times without asking for a dime. The hours he spent helping me troubleshoot issues with my past swaps was hardly an act of greed, but one of generosity. Putting up a sticky on wiring is not a cure-all for questions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen "What do I need to swap an RB" oriented questions, with a freakin' sticky at the top of the main page.

[opticnerv]

A sticky isn't gonna solve everything I recognize that. That's why I said the questions shouldn't come up AS OFTEN.

[Carl H]

...but you can't really get upset if someone wants to try to save money. I'm sure it annoys you because every person that attempts to save money is another customer you loose.

Not really.that is the beauty of a captalistic enterprise system you have the freedom of choice, many of times have I had interest in my services only for them to be declined...bother me? no.Irritate? hardly.Its up to the person to choose, should they choose to venture off on their own or choose my services (out of the DOZENS of shops that provide the same service) that in the end is their choice and their choice alone.

You have to keep evolving though. If business from harnesses stop coming in find something else you can do to make some extra money.

You're right which is why I also tune cars/ecus as well as modify tachometers for these swaps and other conversions...did I mention I also offer repair services for previously or miss converted harnesses or now that I also offer VH and VG swap harnesses?Being dynamic is being competitive but it doesnt mean I should drop support for a market that still currently exists and is going strong.

I agree 100% with WDRacing. He has more posts than CarlH and Darius ( Darius thinks post counts make you more l33t)

Perhaps, but any professional is not going to give up all his tips or tricks to the trade...how many race teams do you know of that will up and give you information if you simply ask for it...

CarlH you say you are slowly separating from the scene because no one is creative, and they want to be spoon fed. In reality it's people like you, people who are money hungry and self centered that are destroying the scene. It's a cheap shot IMO. Everyone knows the wiring isn't that complicated so what's the big deal in "spoon feeding". All it takes is one spoon feeding sticky and the forums wouldn't be flooded with questions about wiring as often. It will even save on bandwidth . Information is free.

Now THIS is a cheap shot. Period.Show me where I was moving away from the scene, and please feel free to slap me across the face if I did indeed say so...I have been more active (and productive!) in the rb section in the last year than I have since I have owned an rb series engine.Then stepping out and calling me money hungry and self centered is way out of league, if that were the case then I'm simply in the wrong buisness to do so...perhaps I should do something else like trade stocks.I guess any shop or other individual that offers wiring services or builds cars for customers is just money hungry and self centered and doesnt care about the scene and is just in it for the green.

And you're right wiring isnt complicated at all, infact it doesnt really matter how you connect them because wires are wires right?there is no need for concern about which one goes where and what it might do, right?My services encompass personal experience as well as my time it took to figure out how to make it all work 100% as it was in the original chassis, that is days if not weeks of my time for all harnesses that I support now.

The info to do it yourself is out there, and if you are industrious enough to actually look and try it then sure, you can wire up a car without ANY kind of help or services.

But again I guess you're absolutely right, I am killing the scene because I dont contribute or encourage growth.The arp master studs list I put together thru my own money spent to find out what works and what doesnt is definately bad for the community especialy when there was only ONE shop at the time that supplied them.The Ignitor retrofit for the rb20/25 engines for people who never got an ignitor or had a fried ignitor definately didnt help anyone.Numerous interchanges or parts in question that people had to order from japan that I found usdm counterparts for was only for my self apparently.

Whatever, think what you like and please carry on with your wiring write up...after all apparently all I can contriubute to development of the scene is stagnation.

[gawdzilla]

all the information is out there to do it yourself. you can contribute by compiling the information together into a more step by step guide if you like, but the information is nothing new. if people aren't comfortable with doing something, or if they don't want to spend the time to become comfortable/try it themselves, paying someone to do it is always an option.

that's the same as saying, why do shops exist which do swaps and build engines, if everything is also written in the FSM? anyone can turn a ratchet and remove the 2 bolts that hold an engine into the car, and follow the FSM to assemble a motor. why pay a shop to do it?

coming in here and trashing other people's service offerings (especially Carl's) is idiotic. I've never used his service because i can do it myself, but Carl's knowledge and his services are considered valuable to this forum and community.

[mikael_KA24DET]

CarlH you say you are slowly separating from the scene because no one is creative, and they want to be spoon fed. In reality it's people like you, people who are money hungry and self centered that are destroying the scene. It's a cheap shot IMO. Everyone knows the wiring isn't that complicated so what's the big deal in "spoon feeding". All it takes is one spoon feeding sticky and the forums wouldn't be flooded with questions about wiring as often. It will even save on bandwidth . Information is free.

WHOA. Is this a troll??? I really hope so.

Yeah I'm a close friend of Carl's. We drink beers, hangout, blah blah blah. But I also BUY stuff from Carl. As he pointed out, this is a capitalistic enterprise system, and I have NO problem giving him money for parts, help, whatever. There's a line there, and you're obviously not seeing it.

And the whole "information is free" argument is just insulting. Yes, information is free and I don't have a problem with that, it's one of the founding cornerstones of America and many other countries. But let me put this into perspective, MY PERSPECTIVE.

I am an internet designer and developer. I am self-employed. Most of my money comes from clients that A> need a website B>need to upgrade/update an existing site C> help with a certain aspect of a site.

I can go a google search on "how to make a website" and get thousands of sites that offer tutorials covering almost the entire spectrum of design and development, including ACTUAL code... like Python or PHP. Actually my numbers are off:

Results 1 - 100 of about 322,000,000 for how to make a website . (0.56 seconds)

I'm rambling on. What I'm trying to say is, the information is out there for people to do it on their own and do it for free. YET, they come to me for help and I CHARGE them.

WHY???

I think the question pretty much answers itself.

[edit: check out my L337 number of posts... LULZ!]

[cdorhout]

This is the dumbest thread I've read on NICO to date.

Is the lady hired to clean somebody's house taking advantage of the home owner? Couldn't they just clean it themselves? What if there were a sticky on the internet that showed people how to operate a vacuum cleaner?

What a tool.

[Darius]

I agree 100% with WDRacing. He has more posts than CarlH and Darius (Darius thinks post counts make you more l33t)

This thread is ghey. Why do you keep trying to drag me into this topic? I think you're a cry baby for using your first post on NICO to whine about guys offering wiring help for a small, and reasonable, fee. Done.

I didn't say anything about post count being proportional to knowledge. Now go to work on your l33t wiring writeup ya tool.

[Darius]

haha "tool". I didn't even see that until I posted my comment. Nice.

[240z4u]

You have a whopping 8 posts, every single one insulting someone important on this site..

Mods, lock this steaming pile of crap. It has no place here.

[Yellow4g63]

9 days since he posted still nothing but more complaints. I thought he was going to do something like make a write up and faq or something. I guess complaining is easier.

[Darius]

Shhhh. Don't interrupt him. He is in the process here:

zer...ified

[opticnerv]

okay you guys win.

[Yellow4g63]

lol we win? I'm just making an observation. Do something instead of crying about it.