I'm certain of it, this world sucks.

[AZhitman]

I disagree with Altiman (nothing new there). Most 21-year-olds are blissfully clueless when it comes to maintaining relationships.

And (HEAR THIS) that's OK - It's the way it's SUPPOSED to be. With time, you (and she) will become less self-centered, more introspective and sensitive to the needs of others...

Nate, sorry to hear about your gal - But Jesda said it PERFECTLY: "I think little girls might be watching too much TV. "

Go score a date with an "older" woman - They have their heads on straight (usually) and can better appreciate what you're offering.

Most 18 y.o. girls = pure idiocy.

We're here for ya bro - Drop in anytime.

[AZhitman]

^Living life with a goal and a purpose. So rare these days.

Agreed.

Nate, you're gonna be JUST fine. Keep at it.

[Anand]

seriously... this is normal life...

people at this age go through this.. it doesn't mean that life as they know is over

she is 18.. and yes, that is not an age that anyone should be settling down...

just keep your head up... go on and date other women.. and then see where it takes you..

get your life in shape..

[cys19]

My friend and his gf went on a break, both got 2nd partners, and now they're back together. Think about it. If she chooses you, it would boost the **** out of your relationship.

[ceniack]

wow all these woman problems this week.

can only be one of two things

1) something in the water

2) something on lifetime

but yeah, try and score an older woman, that is kind of my goal (well not goal as in a prize or something) but i am 21 and i would love to date someone that is 24-25ish. older women seem to know what they want and what they don't and are less likely to play games (although there are exceptions)

[nametakennow]

Alrighty. Let's do a tally of what people have said thus far:

**** her, she's a *****, and immature, cause she's 18, and no 18 yr old can be mature.

Awesome. Nice to notice that EVERYONE thinks age is a prerequisite to maturity.

Right, so now I'm going to stop being a bitter kid and be a somewhat useful kid, here goes:

Because she says she wants to see other people for a while doesn't mean diddly poop. That's perfectly normal. My exgf dumped me in part because I was unsure about the prospect of dating one person my whole life (she was essentially my first gf).

Will we get back together? More than likely no. We'll continue to go our separate ways and she's the type where once is more than enough. There were many much larger reasons for the breakup than that one.

Anyway, here's the point: at some point she'll realize that 25 year old guys dating 18 year old girls isn't quite normal. It's called too much teen p0rn. Then she'll come crawling back to you...

SO: You have to realize you are in quite possibly THE most awesome position in existence. You can screw around and get stuff out of your system all you want, and it's justified. Moreover, you can still have her when she figures her silly self out.

In other words, have some fun. See how hot your hottest date can be. Do whatever you desire for a while. Then, when she comes back, if you haven't found anyone as wonderful as her, take her back.

Now, for my prediction: At some point you'll find someone even better. Yes, even better. Someone who adores you as much as you adore her, if not more.

I spent all my time chasing my exgf when we were together. My most recent find left me 5 messages before noon today (first one at 11ish last night), kinda creepy, pisses off my parents and brother a bit... indeed, they'll probably be predisposed not to like her, and things will end in a "sorry, my family prevents me from seeing you, damn that sucks" fashion... but whatever, worrying about the future is like throwing yourself out of a car at 80mph, it just ****in hurts.

Wait a sec, why do I always worry about my future then?

Do as I say, not as I do.

[cnickk]

nathan i dont even know you, but please take what im about to say serious and dont blow it off!! "forget that female and concentrate on your paper!"(paper=$)...pick what you love and make it your life, focus on you and what you want and let the rest fall into place. your a young man and the best years of your life are starting today!

ps. when i went through what you are going through nothing was better than late night spirited drives in my j30

oh yeah your gonna have a lot of free time for productivity that use to be wasted on imature love....

[crzycav86]

Alrighty. Let's do a tally of what people have said thus far:

**** her, she's a *****, and immature, cause she's 18, and no 18 yr old can be mature.

Awesome. Nice to notice that EVERYONE thinks age is a prerequisite to maturity.

Right, so now I'm going to stop being a bitter kid and be a somewhat useful kid, here goes:

Because she says she wants to see other people for a while doesn't mean diddly poop. That's perfectly normal. My exgf dumped me in part because I was unsure about the prospect of dating one person my whole life (she was essentially my first gf).

Will we get back together? More than likely no. We'll continue to go our separate ways and she's the type where once is more than enough. There were many much larger reasons for the breakup than that one.

Anyway, here's the point: at some point she'll realize that 25 year old guys dating 18 year old girls isn't quite normal. It's called too much teen p0rn. Then she'll come crawling back to you...

SO: You have to realize you are in quite possibly THE most awesome position in existence. You can screw around and get stuff out of your system all you want, and it's justified. Moreover, you can still have her when she figures her silly self out.

In other words, have some fun. See how hot your hottest date can be. Do whatever you desire for a while. Then, when she comes back, if you haven't found anyone as wonderful as her, take her back.

Now, for my prediction: At some point you'll find someone even better. Yes, even better. Someone who adores you as much as you adore her, if not more.

I spent all my time chasing my exgf when we were together. My most recent find left me 5 messages before noon today (first one at 11ish last night), kinda creepy, pisses off my parents and brother a bit... indeed, they'll probably be predisposed not to like her, and things will end in a "sorry, my family prevents me from seeing you, damn that sucks" fashion... but whatever, worrying about the future is like throwing yourself out of a car at 80mph, it just ****in hurts.

Wait a sec, why do I always worry about my future then?

Do as I say, not as I do.

haha.. I was wondering how long it would take before we all got the ntn woman insight.

[Altiman94]

If you guys can't handle someone's opinion, then don't post these kind of threads. Pure and simple. If you post a thread with emotional crap in it, be prepared to take some heat for it.

[nametakennow]

haha.. I was wondering how long it would take before we all got the ntn woman insight.

Yeah, sorry it took so long. I saw the post and started reading it just before I had to go to work. Thought about it a bit while I was there (no one there, I dozed off a few times, it was great)...

Anyways, you knew it was coming.

Face it: There is no 17 year old on earth with as many woman issues as me.

edit: Altiman, shut up. If you're going to take the time to post about his problems then you should have something worthwhile to say. It's a waste of bandwidth for you to ***** about people's *****ing. They have the right to post about whatever they want so long as it's in the scope of the forum (general chat) and not offensive (and of course, assuming the mods/admins approve). People want other's opinions on their problems. However insignificant the problem may seem to you, it's big to them. Deal with it.

edit 2: Screw it, I'm not done with you man. I'm tired of people coming up and saying "quit complaining" with a complaint of their own about the number of complaints. Your opinion isn't that damn holy. Simply because you you think he's being immature or whatever because he's posting about his problems, which you also deem immature, doesn't mean that his problems aren't something he's entitled to an opinion about.

This is a public forum. Anyone can join. He absolutely can post about this, and those who are sympathetic, such as myself, can come on and express their opinions. The last thing he needs right now is someone telling him he's being ridiculous. His mental/psychological state is fragile. I normally say that the state of mind junk is BS, but this is the kind of thing that drives people to suicide simply because they think they have nothing left. To tell them they're being stupid only furthers their thought that they are worthless. The only people who are worthless are heartless jack***es like you are being at the moment.

[cnickk]

and be prepared for my random a$$ replies ...... maybe b/c of 420

[cys19]

Take this chance to date other girls too, so you won't regret not taking your time with girls in the future. Then, if you still think she's the best in the end and if she comes back to you, you would know she feels the same way as you do, building a closer bond.

She didn't dump you if she just wanted a break. You take a break too.

[cnickk]

yeah listen to cys19 get some Brimbo's and take a brake.....

shhhhh.who said that...?shhhh

[cys19]

Oh and don't worry about, "Oh is she gonna stay a virgin?!?" if you haven't done her yet. Most girls come secondhand. We guys just get used to it.

This dude at my university did a survey of my health class and the whole university. Class: 90% of girls raise their hands if they had sex; 20% of guys raise their hands. University: 70% of girls have, 20% casually, some even do one-night-stands.

# of sex partners: Guys, on avg around 10-15Girls, 2 extremes: 1-10 or 20-30.

[nametakennow]

Hmm... I dunno who you people are dating. None of the girls I've dated have been second hand... then again, I'm kinda a goody goody... well, in that respect, others not really...

Yes, I just admitted I'm a virgin, proud of it.

[RMiller]

I don't think Altimaman's posts were out of place. He knows Nathan's really hurt, but the title of the thread is so irrational it's reasonable to be firm with the man. I remember my first major breakup, everybody does, and it was painful. The fact remains: the girl is 18, and she's probably about to be a college Freshman. That's just a bad time to be with a girl.

Here's how it goes: girls in high school are looking for a guy that will "love" them, be really romantic and totally impractical, i.e. driving 40 minutes to give her a flower for no reason weekly. Then girls wake up and say, "I don't want to be tied down right now, maybe I should try dating other people." This is in everyone's best interest. I would say this mostly happens the first couple months of college. After this, a lot of girls get really chill, like they're actually fun to hang with.

Nathan, you sound like a really sensitive type of guy. But I promise you, you'll be just fine.

[cys19]

I'm virgin too and proud of it.

[nametakennow]

The title of the thread was simply a vent. Everyone overstates things when they vent.

I understand being firm. However, the complaints about his complaining are out of line.

[JESTER]

Hey Nat, Life does suck. But it beats the alternative. You will be okay in time. I know it hurts. Well, I dont, because I dont have feelings anymore. But you are young, and will recover. If she comes back, I would probally cut her lose. But that is for you to decide. Everything will work out for the best. It may take you awhile to realize it was for the best, whatever happens.

Anyway, if you need to vent, go at it. We all do at times.

[Kaioshin1982]

Well I got a story for you guys too...

I been going out with this girl for awhile, and all of a sudden she says that she needs a break and blah blah blah... but she still wanna be friends. SOOOooo being the dumbass and the nice guy I am, I say OK to being friends. After we talk for like a week, she says that she wants to get back. So... we get back and like a week after that, she tells me that she only got back with me coz she felt bad for me... Well yeah.. thats farked up lol. but o well.. this happened last week btw

[Phax]

Hey Nathan,

I got in on this thread a little bit late, but what other people are telling you is true. Trina is doing what is normal for girls her age to do. The sack of crap is getting her attention because he has a job and is willing to spend money on her. My guess is that Trina is pretty attractive, and she wants to go out and use guys for her entertainment.

You want to be her entertainment, and don't understand why she'd go hang out with some other guy. There's no rationality to it. You can treat a woman with the utmost respect, and they'll walk away from you simply because some other guy is willing to give them more attention. As you already know, the other guy is a complete chump, being that he's 25 and dating an 18 year old. Man, she can't even go out to the bars.

If you want to come across as omnicient, mention to her that he's only going to be good to her for a few months, until he gets tired of her not being able to go out and doing 21+ year old things with him. Then he'll eventually sideline her, and unless she's a super great lay, she'll be last week's news within six months.

Whatever you do, don't cut her off. So long as you've treated her well, and accurately predict to her that other guys will not treat her as well, there's a good 50% chance that she'll come back to you... but only if you leave the door open. Don't go so far as to say that you'll wait around for her. Go out and hang out with other chicks. Just get out there and talk to all the girls you can.

If you really want to be the man, and are into commitment, focus on the 25+ year old women. As a group, they are most likely to sympathize with your current situation, and be interested in spending time with a guy who into them exclusively. Yet having said that, whatever you do, DON'T lament on your women problems. Few things turn women off more than a guy who is focused on his EX. Because if you're focused on your EX, you're not focused on the girl in front of you, and girls want to believe that your entire world is focused on them.

You can say things like, "Trina didn't appreciate me treating her well, and I don't have time for women who don't appreciate me. So now I'm spending time getting to know women who can enjoy a man who connects with them."

You CAN'T say things like, "Trina left me. That stupid *****. I hate that ****. Why me? What did I do wrong?"

You'll come out of this a better man. Being d!ck over by a female is kind of a right of passage into manhood.

[santi]

thats why now i always love my car more than my girls... my car dont argue or go be wit someone else..

[szh]

Marriage has been what I've wanted for as long as I can remember...its something thats extremely important to me and I was certain thats where this was headed.

Waiting for marriage does not hurt! I was 38 years old when I got married, because I then had found the person I wanted to be with for the rest of my life, (although that might be over the average a bit, suppose!). Regardless, it's now been 10 years of marriage and counting!

It is not the end of the world. If you found one person, you will find another. I speak from experience ...

Z

[Cyberkreig]

You'll come out of this a better man. Being d!ck over by a female is kind of a right of passage into manhood.

your entire post is dead on, but this part is especially true.

[cys19]

I believe that too

[Kalok]

Me personally... I don't give second chances.

If she stepped out on you once, she will do it again.

My mom married two of her husbands twice each. She's not with either of them now. My brother married his wife twice. She left him again while he was in Iraq fighting a war.

Write her off and find a new one. If she comes back she will leave you again.

As harsh as that sounds, it's reality.

This from an "old guy". I will be 37 in October.

[cys19]

If it's only a break, not a break up, it's ok.

[santi]

if you take a break and have time for another it's over.. love your car more than your girl.. and i dont think gettin your heart bashed in my a girl makes you a man.. sorry. not tryin to be rude but i just disagree..i work my *** off. i pay my bills and take care of myself.. i expect nothin from anyone except enough respect not to be disrespected ...a man is more than a womans toy..women are great.. but theres too many out there to waste my time..on, just one atleast ha.. have fun.. besides man.. you better use it while it works.. that mess will stop workin on you and it's game over then..

[cys19]

if you take a break and have time for another it's over

That's not completely true. It may make sense, but it's not a fact. I have a friend who was on a break with his girl for two months. Both had 2nd partners. But then after two months of dating other people, they both realized they loved each other most and got back together. This break was a mutual decision though, to have no regrets in the future if they marry each other, so I don't know if Nathan's could be the same.

[POS_S13]

Nathan,

sucks you're girl walked out on you, i feel that. my girl of a year and 1/2 left me a coupla weeks ago so i kinda know how you feel. what is with girls in relationships lately? anyway just figure its her loss.

my reccomendation is don't give her a 2nd chance, as Kalok said, whats stopping her from leaving you again? its over and you should think of it as a good change. focus more time on your car or go out with friends more. remember there is always rebounds and FTF's (friend to fuk)