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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp ... mpare1=yes

Initial Review, 150 Miles on Tires

July 11, 2010

Extremely impressed so far with these tires. I had a set of worn RE-050A's and swapped out the rear tires first. Didn't really like the setup that much, rear traction was great but overall high-speed steering response seems to diminish. Just yesterday I moved the rear 245s to the front and put 265s on the rear. Noticed an instant difference which I'm very, very happy with. Very sticky and predictable tire. High-speed steering is still not what it was with the RE-050s, but the car is actually less twitchy, which is a good thing. I can't speak about wet traction and feel bad about the Audi owner just below. But, I would suggest that mixing tire brands/styles could be at fault. Important to note that I now am running 20mm wider than stock size all around and this has probably helped handling quite a bit.
did this guy really have the 265 up front and the 245 in the rear? :wtf2:


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Nope... he moved the 245s that were on the back to the front and put 265 on the rear

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Poor writing ftl.

Send his as$ back to class dude!

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Extremely impressed so far with these tires. I had a set of worn RE-050A's and swapped out the rear tires first.
This is the part that concerns me more. Worn tires all around and he puts the new ones on the non-steering end first?
Didn't really like the setup that much, rear traction was great but overall high-speed steering response seems to diminish.
Well, no f*cking sh*t. New tires on the drive axle and worn ones on the steering axle, what did he think was going to happen? :poke:

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Reviews are best left to professionals and people who know what they're writing. Not people who think they know.

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Dattebayo wrote:Poor writing ftl.

Send his as$ back to class dude!
SKUel IZ FOUR LUZERz :crazy:

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There was nothing tricky about the writing. It is the readers who cannot comprehend. Lets break it down for the reading impaired...

"Just yesterday I moved the rear 245s to the front and put 265s on the rear."
He MOVED THE rear tires to the front... "the" and "moved" as in tires that were already on the car.

"Just yesterday I moved the rear 245s to the front and put 265s on the rear."
He PUT 265s on the rear... he did not say THE or MOVED, therefore he was not referring to tires that were previously on the car. If he would have used "moved" like he did on the first portion, it would have meant that he had 265s on the front previously.

Don't you just love when somebody tries to correct another when they themselves are wrong?

Gotta love IRONY!
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tm1218 wrote:There was nothing tricky about the writing. It is the readers who cannot comprehend.

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RustyBucket wrote: This is the part that concerns me more. Worn tires all around and he puts the new ones on the non-steering end first?
That is EXACTLY what he should have done. Most people have this misconception that new tires should go on the front. In practice this leads to A LOT of accidents.

I have personally seen 3 cars come back in 2 years. New tires on front, old on rear. All it takes is some rain and a cloverleaf, and they end up in the guardrail. The general public is no good at controlling oversteer, they panic. Understeer on the other hand is in most cases, easy to handle, just slow down. Plus, having old tires on the front will not give you a false sense of security. If you try to leave a stop, and end up spinning just because of a little rain, it will help remind people they are working with limited traction. Having those tires on the rear on the other hand, you only find out something is wrong, when it is way too late. If your tires dont work in a panic stop situation, then you shouldn't be driving in the first place.

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LMFAO @ the guy saying RE11's are not as good as RE050's. What a dummy...

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Four high pressure spares FTW.

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tm1218 wrote:There was nothing tricky about the writing. It is the readers who cannot comprehend. Lets break it down for the reading impaired...

"Just yesterday I moved the rear 245s to the front and put 265s on the rear."
He MOVED THE rear tires to the front... "the" and "moved" as in tires that were already on the car.

"Just yesterday I moved the rear 245s to the front and put 265s on the rear."
He PUT 265s on the rear... he did not say THE or MOVED, therefore he was not referring to tires that were previously on the car. If he would have used "moved" like he did on the first portion, it would have meant that he had 265s on the front previously.

Don't you just love when somebody tries to correct another when they themselves are wrong?

Gotta love IRONY!
This thread is hilarious.

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FlatBlackIan wrote:The general public is no good at controlling oversteer, they panic.
Understeer is FAR more difficult to "fix" than oversteer. Even a skilled driver is limited by physics. Steering back into understeer means heading toward something you were trying to avoid. Maybe something immovable. And slowing would restore traction, but brakes are front-biased and you're already working on limited (or no) traction or you wouldn't be understeering. So you're not stopping until you hit something or end up somewhere you don't want to be. None of those are good.
Most of the time, oversteer ends up as a spinout and that's the worst of it. Might even end up in a ditch, but that's a lot better than ending up in a wall.

Basically, panicking during oversteer is probably not going to be as bad as panicking during understeer.
Driver skill is irrelevant. People who CAN fix oversteer are better off with traction up front, and people who can't are effed either way.

I've been driving rear-drivers in heavy winters for years (including a 2wd truck). If you only have two good tires, you NEED to have them up front. Front tires do most of the braking. And the front tires steer. And steering is how you avoid things. If you can't steer, you're going to crash. The small chance of losing the back end catastrophically is NOTHING compared to the near-guarantee that lack of steering abilities is going to put you into something that will destroy your car.

And this only becomes more true with cars with traction control, which will manage step-out oversteer for you if you can't do it yourself.
And, of course, anyone putting their best tires on the back of a front-driver needs to hand over their keys NOW.

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I dont agree. If your in a turn and you start to understeer twards a wall you can hit the brakes which might stop the understeer but you will slow down the car no matter what which would make a impact less destuctive assuming you have abs. Now if your also taking the same turn and you oversteer you would be heading twards the wall sideways or backwards. If your sliding sideways and hit the brakes its barley gong to slow the car down. And most cars have front end airbags but only newer cars have side airbags.

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cool

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All the roads are straight in the midwest. I can drive with my eyes closed.

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Jesda wrote:All the roads are straight in the midwest. I can drive with my eyes closed.

Thats sucks. no wonder you owned a mustang. :ohno:

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Hey, they still put curves throughout the midwest. Mostly to keep people from closing their eyes and falling asleep, I think.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote: Understeer is FAR more difficult to "fix" than oversteer. Even a skilled driver is limited by physics. Steering back into understeer means heading toward something you were trying to avoid. Maybe something immovable. And slowing would restore traction, but brakes are front-biased and you're already working on limited (or no) traction or you wouldn't be understeering. So you're not stopping until you hit something or end up somewhere you don't want to be. None of those are good.
Most of the time, oversteer ends up as a spinout and that's the worst of it. Might even end up in a ditch, but that's a lot better than ending up in a wall.

Basically, panicking during oversteer is probably not going to be as bad as panicking during understeer.
Driver skill is irrelevant. People who CAN fix oversteer are better off with traction up front, and people who can't are effed either way.

I've been driving rear-drivers in heavy winters for years (including a 2wd truck). If you only have two good tires, you NEED to have them up front. Front tires do most of the braking. And the front tires steer. And steering is how you avoid things. If you can't steer, you're going to crash. The small chance of losing the back end catastrophically is NOTHING compared to the near-guarantee that lack of steering abilities is going to put you into something that will destroy your car.

And this only becomes more true with cars with traction control, which will manage step-out oversteer for you if you can't do it yourself.
And, of course, anyone putting their best tires on the back of a front-driver needs to hand over their keys NOW.


If you have 2 tires that cant really do their job, and 2 that are new. Then you should not be driving. Its unsafe, and unwise. You may have the skills to control a car, but most people freeze up. Understeer is safer in the fact that all you can do is brake, turn, and hope in most situations. Oversteer requires control that most people do not have. This leads to the point of air bags. Cars are designed to hit things head on, because that is the direction in which they travel. Hitting a pole head on is ALWAYS safer than hitting it sideways. ABS adds a new level, its very easy for ABS to save a person in an understeer situation, where as its rather useless for oversteer. Today's stability programs are designed to negate this, but they were also designed to work with 4 matching tires. In practice, this means properly rotating tires, and replacing them when they are worn. Despite what grampa may have told you, this means getting rid of old tires when they have less than 4/32 of tread.

If you have 2 racing slicks, and two new tires on a FWD car, then the new should most definitely go on the rear. That way, when inclement weather strikes, you may never even get moving, and if you dont leave the house, you can run you car into the back of me when you realize you cant stop.

Really Chris, you cant argue with me over the semantics of doing something you shouldn't be doing in the first place. Its like arguing about which is worse, murdering your wife with a knife or a gun.


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