I bidded for a part from him on ebay. Paid by paypal, and arrived damaged. It was poorly packed. Contacted him and he stated that he insured it for extra money and to file a claim with ups. Item was picked up, ups inspected it and didn't cover the claim do to being poorly packed on his part. I have confirmation that he recieved it back. Since i recieved the item...paypal don't refund the money. Sqaure Trade (ebay) is voluntary-based and can't make him give the money back. Phone number and address on request (he lives in atlanta,Ga)
I'll be adding this to my sig
I got scammed by r240na on ebay
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keepingthe240
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I usually don't frequent this forum anymore, too much BS, but someone was kind enough to send me the link, and I really find it amusing. It seems I've been caught, my million dollar a day scam of selling used parts to intelligent, courteous Ebay buyers has been exposed.What's funny is you've only gotten half the story, and it's not even complete at that. I buy wrecked cars from time to time for parts, mainly for myself or friends, than I begin to sell off what's left through forums. As a very last resort, I go to Ebay, because 90% of Ebay buyers are a problem, flooding my mailbox with questions that don't pertain to the item, fitment questions I could never answer, advice on listings, even input on other items for other cars. Most of these people are also extremely picky, and don't seem to understand that used parts are in fact, USED.I listed 2 fenders, 2 bumper covers, and a decklid several months ago on Ebay to sell off, I had not had luck with moving them locally, and forum buyers had been flaky on most every item. 'sideshowbob' bid and won the auction for one of the fenders, a red 1995 one, which, in my auction, CLEARLY STATED that it had surface scratches and visible marks, and would need a repaint to be perfect. After all, it's USED. He paid quickly, so I shipped it out the next available day, making a box for it to cut down on size, cost, and packaging, since I didn't charge enough in the first place. I'm one person selling parts, so there was and is no way for me to have perfect fender sized boxes, anyone would know that, and would understand that it was packed to the best of my ability, given the time and cost constraints. I shipped the other large items the same way, and all the other buyers received their packages happily, without any problems. Not 'sideshowbob'. His first mail to me had nothing to do with physical damage, only that the box, resting against the fender, had scuffed the paint in a few areas, he felt needed compensation for that, which I declined, since I stated in the auction it had some surface damage and would need paint anyway, what's a few more marks to an already marked panel? If I had stated it was perfect, scratch free, and clean, I would have taken more effort to ensure it was received that way, but I didn't, and it wasn't. I'm guessing he took offense to this, expecting a perfect item anyway, which is stupid on his part to hold such high expectations for a USED part. His next mail them informed me of actual pshyical damage, something not meant beforehand. I also felt this was strange, why would the important information be left out, and why, more importantly, was the package accepted if it was damaged. I know I always open boxes before the UPS guy leaves, seems the only intelligent thing to do. So now it's damaged, his word is the only thing I have to go on, so I ask if he wants me to file a claim with UPS, or what would he like to do. He replies he'd probably just resell it anyway, so file the claim, I make the long, arduous call to UPS to do so, but before I get confirmation from the local office, the fender shows up at my house. Obviously, UPS isn't going to do a thing now, it's been repacked and reshipped, so there's no way to verify if and when it was ever damaged. They deny the claim to me. Fine. I then get a fraud report from both Ebay and paypal, and THEN a warning from the 'sideshowbob'. Gee, good way to be civil about it. So now I have a damaged fender, that when it left me was fine, no proof that UPS ever damaged it, and an angry buyer who obviously backed out because it wasn't the perfect item he had hoped for. What would you guys do?
To date, I've sold nearly $2000 worth of junk parts, the only complaint I've had is a guy who never paid me, then exactly 45 days later realized he hadn't received the item, and left me negative feedback, even though he ignored all attempts I made to collect. Hmmm.
To 'sideshowbob', when I resell the damaged fender, you'll get a cut out of it, only because you've proven the point that I made the mistake of dealing with you in the first place.
Anybody need a damaged fender?
To date, I've sold nearly $2000 worth of junk parts, the only complaint I've had is a guy who never paid me, then exactly 45 days later realized he hadn't received the item, and left me negative feedback, even though he ignored all attempts I made to collect. Hmmm.
To 'sideshowbob', when I resell the damaged fender, you'll get a cut out of it, only because you've proven the point that I made the mistake of dealing with you in the first place.
Anybody need a damaged fender?
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keepingthe240
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I have all the emails sent along with every email i've sent him to confirm what i said.I've been around the block a few times. If the fender would of been wrapped in 2 trash bags ( 20 cents tops) before it was put in the box it would not of had damage to the paint. The damage to the upper rear was purely do to not being supported. I've already filed a legal claim in atl. georgia
*sigh*
This situation seems very simple to me. Sideshow shouldn't have expected a perfect fender, nor should he have filed all the claims so fast, but R240 should have packed it a bit better. Mistakes were made on both sides. This doesn't need to be discussed on a public forum. R240 has his fender back, why doesn't he just give sideshow his money back? Both of them can call it a day, and this thread can be deleted. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.
This situation seems very simple to me. Sideshow shouldn't have expected a perfect fender, nor should he have filed all the claims so fast, but R240 should have packed it a bit better. Mistakes were made on both sides. This doesn't need to be discussed on a public forum. R240 has his fender back, why doesn't he just give sideshow his money back? Both of them can call it a day, and this thread can be deleted. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.
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keepingthe240
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I should of been more clear...i waited 1 week before i called ups. The fender had 3 scratches that were on the fender before it was shipped....5 big buff marks from were the box rubbed off over half the paint. The rear upper corner was bent( the box came to a point in the back instead of puting another square box on the end) It is in no part ups's fault. He did offer to refund the $35 shipping fee. And ups did refund his shipping cost. If he sold it for $56.00 he would break even.F.Y.I fenders are in high demand. Any offer less then $126.00 will be rejected.
xyster wrote:*sigh*
This situation seems very simple to me. Sideshow shouldn't have expected a perfect fender, nor should he have filed all the claims so fast, but R240 should have packed it a bit better. Mistakes were made on both sides. This doesn't need to be discussed on a public forum. R240 has his fender back, why doesn't he just give sideshow his money back? Both of them can call it a day, and this thread can be deleted. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.
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If you knew you had to paint it anyway, whats the diff between 3 scratches, 3 scratches+2 buff marks, or 50 scratches whatever? Its used, with any used part, especially body panels, i think it is reasonable to be prepared that work and repaint will need to be redone..otherwise, one should be shoping at Nissan Parts Dept.
BUT i DEFINITLY think the title "SCAMMED" is a bit much, and not really true insight on what happened....
BUT i DEFINITLY think the title "SCAMMED" is a bit much, and not really true insight on what happened....
SCAMMED is a touch much dood PLUS you bought a fender on ebay and it needed to be shipped. plus its not like you weren't gonna paint it. Stop letting your lifemate get you riled up. Chalk it up to miscommunication between the both of you. Also UPS is of course gonna say its the shippers fault if you ran a shipping fleet are YOU gonna admit you got a bunch of drunks trowing your boxes around then delivering them ...dood you should have seen my cat-back from them the midpipe was hanging out of the box and the dude said it was shipped that way from the company "RRRRIIIGGGHHHTTT go smoke some more crack!"
sideshowbob - r240na has been a reputable and knowledgeable person both in this forum and others. I have dealt with him in the past and he has been more than forthcoming on all dealings. if you plan on bringing legal claims against him, i guarantee he will win because he is handicapped (has a ramp out of the trunk of his 240 to roll out of) and his wife is ugly. the judge will take pity on him and tell you to pay the guy's rent for the next three months for dragging the guy into court.
No seriously, r240na is a good guy. Sorry you had a problem with the corner of the fender being bent, but you should have never accepted the shipment and not checked it out. that was your mistake. If he says that he is going to comp you somehow on the shipping and resale. believe it, he will just to prove the point.
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No seriously, r240na is a good guy. Sorry you had a problem with the corner of the fender being bent, but you should have never accepted the shipment and not checked it out. that was your mistake. If he says that he is going to comp you somehow on the shipping and resale. believe it, he will just to prove the point.
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First of all,
I am inclined to not believe the person who has told lies. Had anyone looked at the auction, they would have seen that, contrary to r240s repeated claims, he never mentioned that the item will have to be repainted.
2. Ask for the exact shipping price you need. The bidder factors that into the price before bidding. A seller cannot excuse bad packaging by claiming a lower than required shipping cost. Gosh, do it right. the definition of ethics
3. Refund the buyer his money already. You got your item back, so give him his money back. You claim that it was not in the condition in which it was sent. Duh, how do you expect it to be, given your poor packaging method?
I am inclined to not believe the person who has told lies. Had anyone looked at the auction, they would have seen that, contrary to r240s repeated claims, he never mentioned that the item will have to be repainted.
2. Ask for the exact shipping price you need. The bidder factors that into the price before bidding. A seller cannot excuse bad packaging by claiming a lower than required shipping cost. Gosh, do it right. the definition of ethics
3. Refund the buyer his money already. You got your item back, so give him his money back. You claim that it was not in the condition in which it was sent. Duh, how do you expect it to be, given your poor packaging method?
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My money's on RN240, I know him personally and I can't see him doing anything to anoy sombody. Anything you buy on Ebay it's pretty much a given that it's going to be screwed up. Plus it's a red body panel, it's more than likely faded, more than likely it's faded more or less than yours. So it would need to be re-painted. Plus looking at the pic on Ebay I can see that it needs some help. " It has a few small scratches from storage" ok, so he said "a few small scrathes" is that 2 scratches and a scuff, 1 scratch and a scuff, 15 scuff's and no scratches? How about you just assume you need to re-paint it and go from there.
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PaulOrlando, FL
longrunQ wrote:First of all,
I am inclined to not believe the person who has told lies. Had anyone looked at the auction, they would have seen that, contrary to r240s repeated claims, he never mentioned that the item will have to be repainted.
2. Ask for the exact shipping price you need. The bidder factors that into the price before bidding. A seller cannot excuse bad packaging by claiming a lower than required shipping cost. Gosh, do it right. the definition of ethics
3. Refund the buyer his money already. You got your item back, so give him his money back. You claim that it was not in the condition in which it was sent. Duh, how do you expect it to be, given your poor packaging method?
1) How did I tell lies? From my auction " It has a few small scratches from storage". It is scratched, I clearly stated that. How am I to know if the buyer wants it to be perfect, or even another color. I assume, through common sense, that if someone was to buy it, they would take with them the knowledge that IT IS SCRATCHED. Nothing HAS to be repainted, that's the buyer's call whether or not he wants it painted. He did buy it knowingingly with scratches, that's the bottomline.
2) I gave a guesstimated shipping cost before because A) I don't work for UPS, B) I don't have a scale, C) I didn't know how big the total dimensions of the box would be when finally packed. I'd like to be able to foresee into the future, trust me, but I can't.
3) I packaged it fine, just like 4 other large items, no complaints with the other items. Just because it didn't meet the apparently higher standards of one buyer doesn't mean it's done poorly.
Read the facts before you throw jabs.
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R240NA wrote:'sideshowbob' bid and won the auction for one of the fenders, a red 1995 one, which, in my auction, CLEARLY STATED that it had surface scratches and visible marks, and would need a repaint to be perfect. After all, it's USED. He paid quickly, so I shipped it out the next available day, making a box for it to cut down on size, cost, and packaging, since I didn't charge enough in the first place.
Assuming is different from CLEARLY stating. You did not clearly state it, even though you claim you did.
So, he paid quickly and got penalized for paying quickly.
That's it, the thing speaks for it self. I am outta here. I dont know either of you, just refund him his darn money.
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keepingthe240
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To those that have commented When you havn't hear from someone in 2 months that owes you money ....SCAM is accurate It's an open and shut case. He accepted it's return. And i should add,ups credited the shipping fee back to his account. My car is red and the fender is red. A repaint does not match the factory (egg crate)paint job. If i wanted a repaint, a new fender would be in order. Touching up the paint is the best option, in my case. Red is a tricky color to touch up as any one knows thats tried. The scuff marks far exceed anything that can be touched up. THe red paint in the inside of the box lines up with the scuff marks on the fender. You can assume they weren't there before it was packed.