I got a bone to pick...

[biosehnsucht]

what the **** is this **** doing in our forum anyways? how come this thread hasn't been locked or nuked? I mean really.. at least move it to the general chat or something!

****ing internet trolls, just stirring up **** to cause a problem, go home and whine to your mommy you attention whore.

[davidricardo86]

Erase it whoever has the power to. Tell one of the mods.

[c-rad]

Alright well just erase it whoever has the power to. Tell one of the mods. Everyone got the wrong impression but hey... oh well... why keep it going?

First of all HONDA IS THE SH*T! Accept it

I'm sorry, how did we get the wrong impression?

[BLKTOPS14SR]

Wow!!!! Things really heated up in here!LOL I'm not looking to start anything or add fuel to the fire so to speak, but I've ridden in and drove a few Honda's and honestly have to say I wasn't impressed with VTEC. My friend has a 2002 Type S RSX with the K20 in it. The car felt better at low rpm and faster. Once Vtec kicked in it didn't go anywhere. Now another friend of mine has a H22 swapped in his 95 Civic Sedan and it does move really nice. Holds off SR20's well. Of course he'll only race from a roll!lol But really Honda's aren't designed to be fire breathing A**-KICKERS, unless you're talking about S2000's and NSX. But even they have downfalls. They both really aren't drag cars, but have EXCEPTIONAL handling abilities. Alot of guys forget that the Integra Type R isn't meant for drag racing but circuit and auto-x. Look at the suspension tuning and bracing. A friend had one of these. It was bada**, but couldn't get out of its own way in a straight line. It was all stock. He traded it in on a EVO 8. I'm a car guy. I love cars from the thirties, forties, fifties, and up. I have a 1995 S14 SE and in my garage for nice days a 1966 A-Code 289 Mustang. True I do get offended when people talk smack about Mustang's, but thats their opinion. AZhitman says he doesn't like Fords. Oddly enough I don't care for them either, except for the Mustang! The one thing I've notice with some, not all, Honda enthusist is the irrogance or cocking attitude. Yeah I give props to someone that can get alot of HP and Torque out of a small displace commuter engine. I had for a short stint a 1990 EF Civic Hatch (for gas, but traded) with a D15 in it. It moved really well.

But what some guys need to realize is that this Import thing is the same as it was in the sixties and seventies with Ford, Chevy and Dodge guys. There are guys out there that think Nissan is Superior and Honda's are for "Grocery Getting and Fuel savings" and could care less if Honda's have Vtec. My brother and another friend are like this. They are die-hard Nissan Guys. Like guys years ago that would only buy and drive Fords or Chevy's or Dodge's. Its a cool kinda revivalry, but take it personnal. There is two different types of car guys. Those who like all cars and those who worship their specific brand.

Sorry for the novel.

[boost_boy]

Erase it whoever has the power to. Tell one of the mods.

I could do just that, but then again, I can trash the whole thread and that would end our 4th of July celebration. You opened this fresh can of [pee-you-es-es-why] that attracted so much attention, that it even got the attention of the forums CEO and the administrators, so you're going to have to bask in this one until it settles down. First and foremost, I don't have beef with you and I want you to know that regardless of what anyone say, you are entitled to your opinion. But the tact you use as well as the fashion, and then bringing it into an engine specific forum, what did you think was going to happen.

If you're going to do something like this in the future, you'd bring facts from all aspects of the table or I personally would come at you with my own share of replies. Now, I for one have personally used the phrase "Vtik" because I was poking fun at the fact that most honda engines tick like crazy . Me saying that doesn't discredit what honda has done over the years and what people with a gang of money and R&D have been able to with honda engines on strip.

Okay, let me get straight to the point, you ever noticed most honda/acura product at the strip are stripped? You rarely would ever catch a full body honda car excepth the EF9 (or whatever nmenclature you guys use for it) hatch with a big engine. I'm sorry dude, but power to weight prevails in any situation. And speaking on behalf of the CA18DE, I've stumped-on more B17A integras as well as that B16 powered Si car when it first came out, using a CA18DE in my B12 sentra that's fully loaded. The CA18DE was a wonderful engine in N/A form as long as it was used in a chasis that was just too heavy for to be totally exploited.

Try putting a D15 into an accord and then try to extract performance out of (Good luck). I'm not making excuses for Nissan, but most nissans you see are fully loaded commuter cars with a nice swap. My sentra as it stands right now, will smash most street hondas pound for pound, not stripped. Out of the whole and most definitely on the top end, that's how confident I am. And this confidence comes from experience of driving to and from Moroso Motorsports park, only to be attacked by every boosted car on the highway going to the same place I am. They only see an old school sentra with disc brakes?

Wait a minute, why does that P.O.S. have a blitz NUR spec exhaust which worth more than the car itself? The car's windows are too dark, so I can't see any gauges, let me try his @ss. Snaaaap, that mofo is out of here! He has to be spraying. So they drive in front of me looking for an intercooler and barely can see one with the pipes the same color as the car and the intercooler is the same color as the black grill. So one by one, car after car, they all try, and one by one, I rape 'em. My car was built to run on the highway at high speeds, so they were out of their league from the start. Now, the track is a different story and some shine waaaay better than mine ever will in that area. But things will change here very soon, just give me a minute.

Bottom line, honda makes a great car, but to say it is the shyt leaves room for a major discussion and some head chewing as well. So dude, dust your shoulders off and defend your post and on July 5th, I'll delete what biosehnsucht said.

Have Fun,

Dee

[boost_boy]

Beautifully said!

Dee

[davidricardo86]

To Boost_boy - Thanks for that mature response. I myself do not have beef with you, or anyone in the forum for that matter. I simply wanted to know a few answers and i got them. I am also pleased to know that i got the attention of ceo, mods, admins, etc. My arguement was aimed more towards a small minority but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Trust me, i was not attacking anyone specifically because personally, i do not know any of you well enough. Like someone previously said, theres those who like all cars and those who worship their specific type. Thats fine! If you know what youre talking about. Also give credit where it is deserved, i believe you mentioned something similar.

Also, i see what youre trying to do by keeping the topic going, thats ok too. I said erase it because obviously others (and myself...) had enough, so there is no point to keep talking about it if so many do not want it. Thats it! That and i dont have the time to be arguing with someone i dont know on the internet. Cmon. But you are the moderator and you do have the option, so i will just go about my business.

[boost_boy]

To Boost_boy - Thanks for that mature response. I myself do not have beef with you, or anyone in the forum for that matter. I simply wanted to know a few answers and i got them. I am also pleased to know that i got the attention of ceo, mods, admins, etc. My arguement was aimed more towards a small minority but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Trust me, i was not attacking anyone specifically because personally, i do not know any of you well enough. Like someone previously said, theres those who like all cars and those who worship their specific type. Thats fine! If you know what youre talking about. Also give credit where it is deserved, i believe you mentioned something similar.

Also, i see what youre trying to do by keeping the topic going, thats ok too. I said erase it because obviously others (and myself...) had enough, so there is no point to keep talking about it if so many do not want it. Thats it! That and i dont have the time to be arguing with someone i dont know on the internet. Cmon. But you are the moderator and you do have the option, so i will just go about my business.

Have some fun dude! If you know something else we don't know, by all means stand-up and handle your business. Though this should've went to general chat, I can kind of see how it made it's way to the CA forum as well. But if you're done and satisfied with some of the responses you've gotten (key word satisfied), then we'll let this thread wear itself out. I personally don't like other ford cars, but I love two 1993 Ford Taurus SHO cars. I don't like the maxima, the altima, the Q45, the accord, the civic (all of them) and I especially hate the mazda 626. But I do love the M35, G35, the RSX (I even though I smoke my friend's everyday coming from work) and acura TSX. We all have cars we like and don't like. I ain't making no car payments, so I could care less who drives what because mine are all paid for . And thanks for being a good sport about this, man!

Dee

[91RMKS13]

Off topic, Hey Boost Boy can you direct me to a place where I can see more pics of your car ? I have loved that thing ever since I first saw it in your sig.

Oh and David I realize you might not have been trying to offend any certain people, but when you say that some Honda motor is better than the motor they have in their forum they are going to get a little angry. Like if you were to say that that the Civic chassis is better than the S13 chassis. After that the glove would come off and I would really bring out the flame thrower .

[boost_boy]

Off topic, Hey Boost Boy can you direct me to a place where I can see more pics of your car ? I have loved that thing ever since I first saw it in your sig.

Oh and David I realize you might not have been trying to offend any certain people, but when you say that some Honda motor is better than the motor they have in their forum they are going to get a little angry. Like if you were to say that that the Civic chassis is better than the S13 chassis. After that the glove would come off and I would really bring out the flame thrower .

Sorry man, i don't take many pictures of that car because I suck. If you go to car domain and type in this same screen name, you can check out the old sentra that was wrecked as well as the introduction tho the current one. I also have a beast of a sentra coming out hopefully before the years end. I set a goal for that white sentra to break into the 11s possibly 10s and with the new suspension and a few other goodies, we'll see. If the white sentra achieves its objective, I'll get to work on the other one. A co-worker and I also have a CA20DET in an S13 suprise for you all in the very near future, so stay tuned.

Dee

[OverBoosted180]

This has been an interesting thread and a joy to read. To tell all the truth, I've kinda been waiting for a Nissan Vs. Honda Rivalry Thread(LoL) But I can't wait to see this CA20DET to come out and rip the streets with me. Who knows, i just might pull my wonder out again to do some major work!

[91RMKS13]

You should also ad Vtec so it can flow well enough to make good power .

[Ca_Silvia]

ohh low blow

[Trigger]

funny thing is I would take a 4 barrel carb and a big block(GM) over any import engine. I have both big block 400 and t3/t4 ca and I like them both. no point in bashing any motor or car maker although im not a fan of ford neither. This thread should have been put in the general nissan forums although I think it was handled very well here

Tim

[davidricardo86]

Wow i wasnt expecting this **** to grow this big!!! hahaha...

Well yeah i kind of figured that if i said something specific about the cars/engines were trying to fix up, someone was going to stand up and defend their ****. Know what i mean.

Oh and the breathing thing, i was talking about the fact that variable valve timing uses a low profile lobe for lower engine speeds then after a certain point itll switch itself to a higher profile cam lobe, often with oil pressure differential, for better "breathing" all the way to redline. Obviously i couldnt tell you by numbers and data ( maybe) which would breath better because i am not a CAD engineer or something. Where as a normal engine either has good low, good high, or in between somewhere. Thats all i meant.

Hey man i seen C-rad's car on 240sxforums.com and i have to say, good job man. The engine build looks good. As for some of the others, i have not seen whats up.

[OmarM]

Well for all those "Hondas have no Torque" Before deciding to pick up a 240 and a CA18DET, i had a 92 Hatch with a built LS/VTEC motor in it. It made 210whp and about 155ftlbs, in my car with roll cage weighing 2200lbs, ran high 12s on street tires and would pull on SS Camaros. From a stop none of that roll bs. When it is all said and done, it comes down to the setup. The setup includes, brakes, wheels, tires, suspension, motor, etc. It all has to work together. But I wanted RWD and decent power, so know I have a 240.

[audtatious]

Did the 92 hatch come with the LS/VTEC motor? Just curious as a lot of Honda gearheads swap integra motors into their older cars. I'm Honda illiterate (I don't like their looks other than the current Acuta TL) when it comes to their motors.

[dracula2084]

actually 92 hatches come with d-series sohc engines... ls/vtec is just LS block with b16 vtec head...

[davidricardo86]

I prefer a motor that revs high and freely. That is why i envy some engines like the infamous B16s and B18s from Honda. Even the old school Toyota 20V 4AGE is a nice little reving monster! I want to see if i could make my future CA rev up pretty high, safely.

[89'ClubK's]

400? GTO or Firebird? I know this is a bit off subject, but I also have a 72' GTO w/ a 400 C.I.D along side my Silvia. FR platform all the way, FF was invented for those who can't drive in the snow, and if it doesn't snow in your part of the country,

[davidricardo86]

FFs can hold their ground when they have to. Now im not talking about drag racing or some ricers trying to race you because you look like you have a fast car. No sir. Im talking about the cars that run on track. Ive got the Best Motoring International video of a "2 liter NA Battle." Cars included the Amuse S2000, an H22'd Accord, i think it was a B20 Civic EK, and there might of been one more. This is what i remember. Keichi Tsychuai (lol) was driving the EK and he was keeping up with the S2000 the majority of the time! He's an excellent driver but that Front Wheel Drive formula with a lightweight chassis and a powerful engine, can be quite fast on a track. Youre telling me thats not some good FWD. FWD can kick a*s but ultimately i think RWD kick more a*s. ; )These are not complete race cars either. Ive seen the Spoon Sports Integra R race car. Wow. Its suppose to be a great race car! I saw a version of it at a local shop where my brother had his motor swap.

[Trigger]

the big block is going back in the 81 trans am...had to pull it to refreshin it up a little. put new head,cam,intake,exhaust on it. the engine was out of a GTO though and its been bored over 30 thousands. with the posi 4:10 gear in the rear it will snap your head back a little lol or atleast the old setup would...i cant wait to get the engine back in and see what she can do...

Tim

[davidricardo86]

the big block is going back in the 81 trans am...had to pull it to refreshin it up a little. put new head,cam,intake,exhaust on it. the engine was out of a GTO though and its been bored over 30 thousands. with the posi 4:10 gear in the rear it will snap your head back a little lol or atleast the old setup would...i cant wait to get the engine back in and see what she can do...

Tim

Straight line racing is, ...ok i suppose.

Going through corners, learning things about weight transfers, learning when to brake, accelerate, etc. just seems like it takes so much more skill...

[Trigger]

if i want to courner then i will drive the 240

[c-rad]

This thread needs to die.

[davidricardo86]

Do'h. Yeah.....

[davidricardo86]

Hey this is what i got right now but will eventually sell when the new engine goes in. 103,000 miles, doesnt burn oil, no oil or coolant, or any type of fluid leak, compression within spec, cylinder ring sealing within spec, oil changed every 3000 miles, cleaned, maintained regularlly, and a real joy to drive. Great if your looking for a great base to rebuild. A rebuilt CA18DET will take its place.












Modified by davidricardo86 at 7:45 AM 7/2/2006

[91RMKS13]

That KA24DE looks great why are you replacing it with the CA18DET? Why not turbo the KA24? Wanna sell me the KA24 when you get that CA18 ?

you make fwd hondas look like they were meant to be track cars. I realize they can and are used for the track all the time. So are 240s and Sentras. pretty much any car that is any good is used in some time of racing.

[Okay]

That KA24DE looks great why are you replacing it with the CA18DET? Why not turbo the KA24? Wanna sell me the KA24 when you get that CA18 ?

[davidricardo86]

I was debating all the engines and the CA had the most advantages for what im trying to do.