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rn79870 wrote:There is documented evidence that McCain suffered irreparable psychological damage at the hands of the north Vietnamese during his captivity. Many blame his hot tempered, flying off the handle responses to many little situations on that damage.

I give him credit for the suffering, but when that's added to the normal effects of age on a persons brain, he's too much of a wild card to want in office.
^^Sorry, but this strikes me as fearmongering.

The Democrats don't need to resort to lines of "logic" such as this to win, IMO.


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HashiriyaS14 wrote:I'm not certain I understand how someone can be FOR a war in Iraq with no clear purpose but at the same time AGAINST the defense and support of a nation that wishes to become part of NATO. Explain that one to me, I'll wait.
I'm not for the war in Iraq. I was against the war in Iraq, but we went. I am for finishing what we started.

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Military experence doesn't necessarily make for a good President-

Of Washington, Lincoln, and FDR, only Washington had extensive military experience. Last time I checked, Lincoln and FDR did o.k. as wartime Presidents.

Franklin Pierce- Brigadier General in the New Hampshire volunteers during the Mexican-American WarUlysses S. Grant- Civil War GeneralRutherford B. Hayes- field general during the Civl WarBenjamin Harrison- field general during the Civil WarAndrew Johnson- Brigadier General as military Governor of TenesseeGeorge H. W. Bush- Lieutenant j.g., saw combat in WWII

Military experience doesn't automatically translate to greatness in the White House.

Likewise, 20+ years in Washington may just mean you've bought into the corruption and power grabbing there and keep getting elected because you bring the pork home to your area in order to keep getting elected. Because you get elected by a block of voters in one area of the country for a long time doesn't mean you represent or even care about the entire United States' best interest.

I'm not saying that the above necessarily applies to McCain, only that they are considerations to not look blindly at his experience as automatically qualifying him over someone else.

Since those previous life experiences must influence how they conduct business now, I weigh a lot more recent things as factors into my voting decisions. Attendance on the job, more recent voting records by the candidates, ability to reach across party lines, compromise when appropriate, etc. Just as I've changed over the years, I fully expect others have changed, too. If they haven't changed they are definitely not the person I want in the Oval Office because they're proving they aren't constantly learning from life's experiences.

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HashiriyaS14 wrote:
^^Sorry, but this strikes me as fearmongering.

The Democrats don't need to resort to lines of "logic" such as this to win, IMO.
Of all the Republicans in the US Senate, few know John McCain as well as Thad Cochran, who first met the front-runner for the party's presidential nomination when they lived in Mississippi during the 1970s.

“The thought of him being president sends a cold chill down my spine,” Mr Cochran said last week, as he announced his endorsement for Mr McCain's rival, Mitt Romney. “He is erratic. He is hot-headed. He loses his temper and he worries me.”

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For whatever reason, presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain has not, until recently, had a pervasive reputation among the voting public for being hot-tempered – despite accounts of an explosive temper spanning decades.

For example, after he was elected to the Senate for the first time in 1986, McCain spent what should have been a joyous moment screaming until he was red-faced and poking the chest of a young campaign worker who hadn´t set up the lectern tall enough for him. According to Jon Hinz, then-executive director of the Arizona Republican Party, "There were an awful lot of people in the room . . . It wasn´t right."

And The largest newspaper in John McCain’s home state is questioning whether the Republican senator has the temperament to be president.

The Arizona Republic, in an editorial in today’s editions, criticizes McCain for a “volcanic” temper it says he has unleashed on other politicians, reporters and even the public.

“If McCain is truly a serious contender for the presidency, it is time the rest of the nation learned about the John McCain we know in Arizona,” the newspaper says in the editorial. “There is also reason to seriously question whether he has temperament, and the political approach and skills, we want in the next president.”

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... back to Biden ...

I have to say I was a bit surprised that Biden wasn't more forceful. The bio was great! But I thought Biden was really gonna give it to McCain, and frankly, it came off sorta predictable and weak. It was good, but safe. I think this Dem convention has just been too safe for a candidate that always talks about Change. Maybe it just the way we're all tiring of our traditional institutions. The major networks are only televising it for an hour a night, for instance. I've watched 11 Democratic conventions now, so maybe I've gotten jaded myself.

But it doesn't look like this convention is going to help Obama much. There's evidence of a bump developing, but most people are waiting for the Rep convention next week before they make a decision, so it takes most of the wind out of any bump Obama might get. So, I suppose safe was the way to go. In Obama's case, with so little proven experience, he can't afford ANY mistakes.

Now if McCain announces a woman VP Friday, no one will remember or care what happened at the Dem convention.

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You thinking Condi?

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rn79870 wrote:
YARRRRRRR!!!

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Condi is too closely related to the Iraq situation at this point. I think she'd be harmful to the ticket.

But a prominent African American Woman as a VP choice would be really interesting.

I think very highly of her personally.. But I don't think she'd be a good running mate for McCain right now just because of the American Public's disdain for the whole Iraq issue.

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rn79870 wrote:You thinking Condi?

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rn79870 wrote:You thinking Condi?
Ack! No. I like her just fine, but she isn't a politician and couldn't help ANYONE get elected. And ... whew ... how token would THAT be? LOL!

My personal choice is Christie Whitman, but there's just no mention of her anywhere.

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I don't think that Christie would pull anything from the Hillary camp. Traditionally, they are died in the woll dems. They just suffered 2 setbacks (Hillary's loss of the nomination and the VP ticket) and are venting. They will come back around by Nov.

McCain will look for someone who stacks up against Biden, and that's Romney. Both are clean and respected and don't bring problems to the campaign.

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OriginalWheelman wrote:Exactly. We have no business in a border dispute between two sovereign states.
When you're right, you're right.

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Strictly tongue in cheek, of course...

How about Musharraf? Military experience, experience in a federal government, a friend of the Republicans, has darker skin than McCain, and he's looking for a job. As for eligibility, no problem. The current administration has no problem trampling on the Constitution and the Democrats have no problem letting them do it.

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LOL, and McCain has pledged to pursue OBL to the end of the earth, and Musharraf knows where he is.

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Ack! No. I like her just fine, but she isn't a politician and couldn't help ANYONE get elected. And ... whew ... how token would THAT be? LOL!

My personal choice is Christie Whitman, but there's just no mention of her anywhere.
Yup she's an excellent choice to help Obama get elected.

She screwed up the NJ finances and we are still suffering from her budget deficits from giving tax cuts to the rich

The only good thing she did was to name a rest stop on NJ Rt 295 for Howard Stern

As head of the EPA appointed by Bush she told the NYC Firemen and other rescue workers immediately after 9/11 that the air was safe to breathe around the WTC. Many are dying a slow death from her Bull $hit.

What a loser

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telcoman wrote:She screwed up the NJ finances and we are still suffering from her budget deficits from giving tax cuts to the rich
Tax deficits are not caused by giving tax cuts to the rich. This is a simplistic and short-sighted fallacy that you need to stop spewing so much and so often.
telcoman wrote: As head of the EPA appointed by Bush she told the NYC Firemen and other rescue workers immediately after 9/11 that the air was safe to breathe around the WTC. Many are dying a slow death from her Bull $hit.
Do you have a reference for this, please? As it is, your comments are unfounded speculation and not worthy of being taken seriously.

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Saw this somewhere, and I'll be darned if I can find it again. Fortunately, it was in my paste buffer:
Unknown Source wrote:Democrats need to wake up and realize their party is so far left that it better represents the old USSR than America.
So darn true!

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telcoman wrote:The only good thing she did was to name a rest stop on NJ Rt 295 for Howard Stern


Unreal.


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