HOW MUCH ????

[maroon240]

I wanna do a rb20 swap and i was just goin to buy a motor set from a local engine dealer it will cost me 1400 and i planed to try and get a x-member off ebay for like 40 with out shiping and I planed to do most of the wiring my self how much would it cost to get the engine installed and every thing else i may have forgoten . what do u guys think it will cost me in total ???

[Kansei240sx]

Godamnit, it must be the time of year.

Dont pay a shop to install it, do it yourself. Shops are untrustworthy and if they do it, you usually dont even know jack **** about your own car. Its not that hard, mechanicly speaking, the wiring is where it gets most people, if you're uncomfortable with doing that, send it to the Wiring Specialists, they know how to do a good harness.

And if you ask another question thread like this im going to cut off your fingers so you cant post anymore.

But to answer your question, probably around 1000-1400

Have a nice day.

[rb240det]

There are 2 stickies at the top of the main page that will give you an idea of what is entailed with the swap, and a rough idea of cost.

[lucky7]

$1400?? are you serious??

my vote is for $7k+. especially if you have a shop do it. assuming you plan ahead and replace the things that wear and could fail. clutch, water pump, oil pump, timing belt, etc.

i started out wanting just the motor put in the car, but wound up buying this and that. ive lost count. including the cost of the car, im somewhere around the $20k marker for everything i have for this car.

[maroon240]

I wanted to know how much it would cost to just get the engine put in the bay and bolted no wiring im doin that. cuz i dont have a drive way or grage i got a town. And this is the first time i asked this question and that sticky probly woulnt have helped me any way im going to go read it and if it does'nt help me your goin to ****ing hear about it. All I was doing was just asking was a simple question. if im wasting your time posting it then dont come on here ****ing bitching about it go read somthing else . and come in here like that again im going to stitch you head back on because you need to pull it out of your *** .For the rest of you thanks

[maroon240]

sorry having a bad day

[Kansei240sx]

$1400?? are you serious??

my vote is for $7k+. especially if you have a shop do it. assuming you plan ahead and replace the things that wear and could fail. clutch, water pump, oil pump, timing belt, etc.

i started out wanting just the motor put in the car, but wound up buying this and that. ive lost count. including the cost of the car, im somewhere around the $20k marker for everything i have for this car.

7000!?!?!?!?! FOR installation? Whatever shop charges that much for installation better damn gold and silver plate everything.

[SeVa-S13]

RB20 is retarded cheap, hence the constant noob spamming about it. That guy's talking about 25. Extra couple grand for 30hp w00t.

[maroon240]

but the 25 has more displacement so you get more horse power in the long run

[SeVa-S13]

[themadscientist]

but the 25 has more displacement so you get more horse power in the long run

A lot of 25 owners tell me that before I smack that grin off their face. While that may be true in the abstract you must treat each example individually and I have encountered more seriously fast 20s that seriosly fast 25s If you are looking for just under 400 streetable horsepower the money you save going 20 can be put towards goodies to support the goal. If you want the bigger displacement and lofty power levels quit fooling around and go 26. Going with the 25 while claiming "displacement is where it's at", ignoring the 26 is like saying "I want to bag a p0rn star" and going home with a peepshow chick.

[jrb92se]

Going with the 25 while claiming "displacement is where it's at", ignoring the 26 is like saying "I want to bag a p0rn star" and going home with a peepshow chick.

....lol peepshow chick lol thats an internet classic....

[rb240det]

Look man...I'm sorry you're having a bad day and all, but don't take your frustrations out on me. I was trying to be helpful, not a jerk.

[lucky7]

for a complete install, a shop will probably charge you around 4k. with custom fabbed DP, and IC piping. that is on top of what you pay for the motor and mounts. unless you use the X member from you clip.

the 7k, i was adding in the crap you would surely want to upgrade + some mroe goodies. basically, what the majority of ppl here upgrade.

[Joe]

A lot of 25 owners tell me that before I smack that grin off their face. While that may be true in the abstract you must treat each example individually and I have encountered more seriously fast 20s that seriosly fast 25s If you are looking for just under 400 streetable horsepower the money you save going 20 can be put towards goodies to support the goal. If you want the bigger displacement and lofty power levels quit fooling around and go 26. Going with the 25 while claiming "displacement is where it's at", ignoring the 26 is like saying "I want to bag a p0rn star" and going home with a peepshow chick.

im sorry man but thats retarded.

a RB26 will easily cost double the price of a RB25 swap. if you arent going for 500+ there is NO reason to get a RB26 other than the bling factor. you can damn near fully build a RB25 to 500whp for the cost of a STOCK rb26 swap.

a .1l displacment change is not even noticable. but half a liter is a different story.

there are more seriously fast RB20's than 25's because there are more swapped RB20's in the US because its a cheap swap.

people always ask me "rb20 or rb25?" the simplest answer i can come up with is that nissan stopped making the RB20 LONG before the R chassis ended. if its such a great engine why didnt they go back to it.

RB25 > RB20

[themadscientist]

im sorry man but thats retarded.

No, that time I tried to learn to breakdance, that was retarded.

a RB26 will easily cost double the price of a RB25 swap. if you arent going for 500+ there is NO reason to get a RB26 other than the bling factor. you can damn near fully build a RB25 to 500whp for the cost of a STOCK rb26 swap.

These 500+ online heroes are exactly who the comment is aimed at. Anything above 400hp is a serious project so why f- around pretenting 500hp is going to be enough, spend the coin to get there, then realizing it is not and spending even more trying to push past the motors limitations rather than admitting you should have laid out more in the beginning for the 26?

a .1l displacment change is not even noticable. but half a liter is a different story.

Sorry man, I have driven an R32 GTS-T with an RB25 and an R32 GTS-T with an RB26, It is NOTHING alike, not even in the neighborhood The 25 exhibits more torque than the RB20 as it should but pound for pound, step for step, dollar for dollar, The difference between the RB25 over the 20 is far less than the 26 over the 25.

there are more seriously fast RB20's than 25's because there are more swapped RB20's in the US because its a cheap swap.

I speak for my local area in Japan, I have been away from the states for years, I cannot argue one way or the other on that.

people always ask me "rb20 or rb25?" the simplest answer i can come up with is that nissan stopped making the RB20 LONG before the R chassis ended. if its such a great engine why didnt they go back to it. RB25 > RB20

It's a logical progression, get the design kinks worked out and then start climbing up in displacement. They did the same thing with all the engines. They stopped making the FJ20 even longer before the RB25 came out than the RB20, which side of that fight do you want to stand on? It's just a little 2-liter, it should be no problem to wipe up the street with it, right?

They ditched the CA18 in favor of the SR20. That must mean the SR20 is better according to that logic. It isn't so that kind of shoots that theory to hell. They make a VQ35 now, everybody rip out your VQ30s to be current! Too simplistic man, it doesn't prove a thing that they migrated to the 25 other than it's bigger not necessarily better beyond that.

The point is just because the motor is bigger or displaced an older design is not enough reason to choose it over the other or mean the preceding or smaller engine was replaced because it is inferior. I stand by what I say. If high 300/low 400 is all you want the 20 is the way to go. If you are wanting serious power skip the 25 altogether and go 26. Too many guys with 1000hp dreams and 200hp budgets, I just have no humor for it. People should be realistic with their goals and go with what fills their needs the best, not what the flavor of the month is.For me, a solid 400hp would do just fine. I notice most people who want these huge power numbers are normally driving something with at least half, sometimes less power than whatever their goal is at the time. The extra money thrown at the 25 over the 20 for 500 more ccs is a waste. Now that transmission on the other hand, definate must have baby, the RB20 one sucks!

[Carl H]

the only reason the 20 was dropped not because it was a bad motor but because the boat they called a r33 weighed too much.rb20 is a fasntasic motor and all current rb motors have their roots in its basic design...it was a race motor long before there was a 26.nissan had to make a comprimise the 20 would have felt underpowered and slow in stock trim in a r33 but if they put a larger turbo on it and what not (from that era) the power would have been very peaky and for most consumers disagreable.hence the development of the rb25, its nothing more than the ka for the skyline.

[klh6686]

I agree with the majority of the logic in this topic, such as rb20 for 400 hp and less. preferably less haha (and i drive one) however, i completely disagree with the "disregard the rb25 and go 26" mentality. sure the 26 is a great powerplant and what not but when the cost is thrown into the equation you can do a lot more w/ the rb25 just to get to the stock 26's price point. And yes, i love the 26 to death but there is a reason that we are going w/ the 25. surely living in japan you have seen numerous high hp 25's yea? The majority of 26 powered 240s are going to be your show cars w/ huge budgets, ex scott buwalda or the one from jdmimportsdirect.com. At the end of the day, most people will be happy with either a rb20 or rb25 depending on power goals. if you are less IMOthan 400hp go rb20, 600 and less go rb25 and if you want more than that you are most likely insane and never going to actually drive it but show it and say"hey i have 800hp rb"

Anyways, to bring it back to the topic at hand, depending on who you get the motor from will tell you your budget. if you buy a 1400 motor, you will probably need to replace a majority of items on the motor suchs as water pump, thermo, timing belt, etc and etc until you are hapy w. the motor. I'm not saying to follow my route, but i picked up an EXCELLENT shape rb from jarco inc, sure i spent more than most for a 20, but i knew the exact mileage of the car, had the maintenance logs in the glovebox and i didn't change anything on the motor and threw it in my car for <3000 usd. i used the r32 crossmember and did my own wiring. thats just me though, when it comes down to it, i know a lot about general maintenance on a rb that i've already performed the ka alternator retrofit and buick coilpack retrofit. i also picked up r32 gtr exhaust at jarco for like 150 and made a custom test pipe to make my exhaust work. then when the rb transmission broke i took and old ka transmission and combined parts to make one good transmission. i've put over 12k miles on her w/ very few minor problems. (such as fuel pump randomly dying and my transmission 3rd and 4th fork breaking) however, i wouldn't trust putting a 1400 motor in a car and counting on it to get you everywhere.

[Eikon]

hence the development of the rb25, its nothing more than the ka for the skyline.

That's Classic!!!

We can all argue all day long about which motor is better. But in the end it all comes down to budget.

I propose we measure the quality and value of a motor from now on in hp/$$$.

RB20 = 220hp / $1200 = .18 hp per dollar spent.RB25 = 250hp / $2500 = .10 hp per dollar spent. RB26 = 280hp / $3500 = .08 hp per dollar spent.

These value numbers are further tilted when you start to include the cost of install. RB20 is close to a direct swap with a R32 xmember. RB25 requires mounts and driveshaft. RB26 = more expensive mounts and driveshaft.

Sure the added displacement of the 25 and 26 makes them more responsive to mods, but you can still make plenty of hp for a street driven S13 or S14 with the RB20.

Overall... The RB20 may be the worst engine of the three in terms of size, technology, etc... But, it's the best choice of the three in terms of value for those with reasonable hp goals.

[l0nestar]

TMS,

*sniff sniff* so your saying that I wasted a bit of dough by going with a 25?

j/k I dig my 25 for a few reasons, and also because my chassis and motor were built in the same month, kinda makes me feel like that is how it was 'supposed' to be. But alas, I'm an idelist =P

l0nestar.

[SeVa-S13]

I don't think anyone's trying to argue that any RB's aren't kickass (hopefully) but everybody has different tastes/styles....and budgets.

[rustbucket]

I don't think anyone's trying to argue that any RB's aren't kickass (hopefully) but everybody has different tastes/styles....and budgets.

Yea, I'd like to think my RB tastes like bannana nut bread. Wait, what were we arguing about?

Maroon240, I can do the swap including wiring and will charge 10% less than any shop. email me if your interested.

[thechinamannN]

$1400?? are you serious??

my vote is for $7k+. especially if you have a shop do it. assuming you plan ahead and replace the things that wear and could fail. clutch, water pump, oil pump, timing belt, etc.

i started out wanting just the motor put in the car, but wound up buying this and that. ive lost count. including the cost of the car, im somewhere around the $20k marker for everything i have for this car.

i got a question about this, wouldnt this be the same as for like a sr or ca, for mostly any swap you do, you might wanna replace the same parts you just listed right there, aint that true? cuz i read the big post up there and it said engine + like 2000 for the parts that make the engine run, but it seems like the water pump, oil pump, belts would need to be replaced also like other engines.

[maroon240]

rustbucket i sent you a e-mail but yea the rb's are awsome thats why i would rather have one then a sr cuz you get that awsome rb sound and it a skyline engine . Come on who doesnt want to tell people that they got a skyline engine in there car.

[jrb92se]

the rb sound is amazing i heard it running and had to buy it

[Sil240]

If your into just driving your car and having fun.Just get a SR slap it in, you can do it in a parking lot sleeping.SR parts are soo much cheaper and easier to get. I know I've replace every single thing on my RB Actually Inside and Out

But if you still want it go for a 20They do sound awesome and incredibly short stroke so its revs highAnd is the easiest of the 3 swaps

But.... if you wanna be BIG DOG Then do RB30DET swap lets add another T for extra bling

Have fun

[maroon240]

haha rb30 thats one big matha ****a

[RBMonster]

I hate wasting my time reading **** like this, and to top it off im wasting more time posting something......Wanna save a TON of money with your swap? Rent a mini storage, borrow tools, and viola...you have a temporary workshop.....Hell I've done a LOT of my 26 build in my basement. If you want it bad enough, you'll find a way. Plus you learn tons more doing it yourself.....that way when it blows up, and it will, you'll have a good idea about fixing it.

[DriftingisLame]

No, that time I tried to learn to breakdance, that was retarded.

These 500+ online heroes are exactly who the comment is aimed at. Anything above 400hp is a serious project so why f- around pretenting 500hp is going to be enough, spend the coin to get there, then realizing it is not and spending even more trying to push past the motors limitations rather than admitting you should have laid out more in the beginning for the 26?

Sorry man, I have driven an R32 GTS-T with an RB25 and an R32 GTS-T with an RB26, It is NOTHING alike, not even in the neighborhood The 25 exhibits more torque than the RB20 as it should but pound for pound, step for step, dollar for dollar, The difference between the RB25 over the 20 is far less than the 26 over the 25.

I speak for my local area in Japan, I have been away from the states for years, I cannot argue one way or the other on that.

It's a logical progression, get the design kinks worked out and then start climbing up in displacement. They did the same thing with all the engines. They stopped making the FJ20 even longer before the RB25 came out than the RB20, which side of that fight do you want to stand on? It's just a little 2-liter, it should be no problem to wipe up the street with it, right?

They ditched the CA18 in favor of the SR20. That must mean the SR20 is better according to that logic. It isn't so that kind of shoots that theory to hell. They make a VQ35 now, everybody rip out your VQ30s to be current! Too simplistic man, it doesn't prove a thing that they migrated to the 25 other than it's bigger not necessarily better beyond that.

The point is just because the motor is bigger or displaced an older design is not enough reason to choose it over the other or mean the preceding or smaller engine was replaced because it is inferior. I stand by what I say. If high 300/low 400 is all you want the 20 is the way to go. If you are wanting serious power skip the 25 altogether and go 26. Too many guys with 1000hp dreams and 200hp budgets, I just have no humor for it. People should be realistic with their goals and go with what fills their needs the best, not what the flavor of the month is.For me, a solid 400hp would do just fine. I notice most people who want these huge power numbers are normally driving something with at least half, sometimes less power than whatever their goal is at the time. The extra money thrown at the 25 over the 20 for 500 more ccs is a waste. Now that transmission on the other hand, definate must have baby, the RB20 one sucks!

You sure showed negative nancy!

Madscientist for mod

Jk, but seriously... Kamin, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I'm sick of hearing you bash on the rb20.. I'm glad Themadscientist beat me to defending it because I couldnt have put it better myself. I'm also impressed someone finally commented on the great value of the rb20. Let us not forget that the rb20 is just as good of a motor as the rest of the RB series motors in its own way... even cost! Our moderator of all people should know that.

Yeah, so stop being such a negative Nancy, Kamin, unless you want everyone to call you Nancy from now on.

[RBMonster]

RB20 = pen15 envy.