How many people crashed there a/c bc of crappy stock tires?????

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

im making this thread to see how many people crashed there a/c bc of there s***ty tires......as in lost control at normal speeds. I lost control bc of rain/ice wat about everyone else???????

yes i know there are other factors in this but im j/w.....also i have a base 2.5 so no vdc if that matters
Modified by PhEnoM78 at 1:44 PM 3/21/2010

[LongBeachCoupe]

im making this thread to see how many people crashed there a/c bc of there s***ty tires......as in lost control at normal speeds. I lost control bc of rain/ice wat about everyone else???????

Bueller? Bueller?

Hey smartypants, you arent supposed to go "normal speeds" during rain/icy conditions, thats why you lost control!

[yoonzilla]

Lol

[migs7585]

Goin around a rotary at about 20 with slight rain, thing just spun out and lucky me I only hit trash barrels lol.....my 06 Alti I totaled bcuz a tire blew on me.

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

Bueller? Bueller?

Hey smartypants, you arent supposed to go "normal speeds" during rain/icy conditions, thats why you lost control!

bro i know u hate me but seriously come on think about it logically n stop trying to piss me off

You and i BOTH know "normal speeds" meant that you drive at watever would be considered normal speeds during the rain/ice and i crashed not bc i was speeding bc i hit a patch of ice ok so seriously quit bein such a d!ck about me crashing bc its a soar subject with me. I am having alot of problems with the shop i dealt with who fixed my car. I dont need to hear someone tell me i crashed bc i was speeding when i wasnt k thanks

[DReed86]

Well I drove 7 hours during the worst snow storm we had this year..... 20+ inchs in my stock tires.... I counted 34 cars that had crashed or spun out on the drive up.... My car didnt lose control once......

So maybe its the driver..... Jk Im sure there were some extenuating circumstances.....

[Rmuth25]

Never crashed, but the stock tires are terrible. If there is even a bit of unplowed/unsalted snow on the road my A/C goes to its knees and I gotta really focus on not losing control.

[QR25DE]

This is general and not aimed at anyone in particular:

A. Unfamiliar with how the car reacts in certain conditions.B. Going to fast for road conditions.C. A combination of the two.

The tires are crap, but far from being something that would cause you to crash. The tires meet standard safety requirements and have been used on thousands of Altima Sedans and Coupes.

There are many tires out there with very similar tread patterns.

I do not know the full details of your crash/accident and obviously was not there so I'm not judging you as a driver. I'm just saying, the tires are not the 100% factor to blame.

[bunda4th]

The tires are not to blame, because if they were crappy then this would had been a bigger story about how all these A/C are crashing yet there is no major story to these tires being bad.

If I recall you said your car was shaking that caused you to spun out. Apparently something else was a factor to the accident and not the tires at all.

[chrispizzitola]

tires may not be to blame but i guarantee if i had the tires i wanted on my car i would of never hydroplaned like i did point made.

[AppleBonker]

I got my coupe sideways in a turn while it was raining. Pretty tough to lose traction like that on the rear axle of a FWD car. Definitely crappy tires.

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

Well I drove 7 hours during the worst snow storm we had this year..... 20+ inchs in my stock tires.... I counted 34 cars that had crashed or spun out on the drive up.... My car didnt lose control once......

So maybe its the driver..... Jk Im sure there were some extenuating circumstances.....

ive driven in the snow n been ok u just gotta drive like a grandma lol........but i loved em in the snow bc they were fun bc i knew i would slide, but whenever i hit a hill or any type of incline ide be f***ed. I left work once n went up the hill by my job after closing to see how it is n i legit had the car start sliding to the side n just feathered up the hill i made it but there was only a dusting imo thats not good.

I had the new tires in one storm n i loved em never had a prob w/ spinning in rain or snow ever yet.....

This is general and not aimed at anyone in particular:

A. Unfamiliar with how the car reacts in certain conditions.B. Going to fast for road conditions.C. A combination of the two.

The tires are crap, but far from being something that would cause you to crash. The tires meet standard safety requirements and have been used on thousands of Altima Sedans and Coupes.

There are many tires out there with very similar tread patterns.

I do not know the full details of your crash/accident and obviously was not there so I'm not judging you as a driver. I'm just saying, the tires are not the 100% factor to blame.

agreed the road i was on is known for being s***ty bc of all the turns n its a 4 lane highway rt 80 sooo yea. And ur right there not to blame but they are deff horrible i just wanna see how many people have had this prob.

But come on tell me u havent noticed all the people who crashed there coupes in the rain/s***ty weather

The tires are not to blame, because if they were crappy then this would had been a bigger story about how all these A/C are crashing yet there is no major story to these tires being bad.

If I recall you said your car was shaking that caused you to spun out. Apparently something else was a factor to the accident and not the tires at all.

u dont think there could be a bigger story?? I did think my car was "not shaking" but it seemed to jerk right to left and it ended up doing just that very slight turn from side to side n i just saw headlights

tires may not be to blame but i guarantee if i had the tires i wanted on my car i would of never hydroplaned like i did point made.

thankyou my point exactly

I got my coupe sideways in a turn while it was raining. Pretty tough to lose traction like that on the rear axle of a FWD car. Definitely crappy tires.

exactly why can my car just spin out like that.....its not rwd how the hell is it possible to spin twice in a row when ive gone in the snow and ripped the ebrake in a parking lot doing 40 n only spin once n thats trying to spin lol. I mean yea they werent full tread when i did crash but they werent ready to be replaced just yet

[DJ_B_Easy]

agreed the road i was on is known for being s***ty bc of all the turns n its a 4 lane highway rt 80 sooo yea.

I also lost it on route 80 in Parsippany NJ. Someone came into my lane and I had to quickly jerk the wheel so they wouldnt hit me. 3 spins later got nailed in the slow lane TWICE by the same car and then came to control, facing the same direction. Back end just completely gave out, almost like someone had hit me to cause the spin. I definitely think a different set of tires may have prevented the spin all together.

And yes, I JERKED the wheel....at 65 MPH. Not so hard that it was an unsafe driving technique, probably about 3-4" to the left.

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

I also lost it on route 80 in Parsippany NJ. Someone came into my lane and I had to quickly jerk the wheel so they wouldnt hit me. 3 spins later got nailed in the slow lane TWICE by the same car and then came to control, facing the same direction. Back end just completely gave out, almost like someone had hit me to cause the spin. I definitely think a different set of tires may have prevented the spin all together.

And yes, I JERKED the wheel....at 65 MPH. Not so hard that it was an unsafe driving technique, probably about 3-4" to the left.

no way i was 19 miles away from the delaware water gap the cop said.......but i agree i feel like it shouldnt happen like that it just spins soooo easily idk how though......mine felt the same way like someone purposly spun u

[LongBeachCoupe]

Matt, buddy... No one hates you, but if talking about how you crashed your car upsets you then you shouldnt have made this thread. Blaming a crash on tires is something you can only do when there is a defect in the tire.

You said yourself, "the stock tires suck", taking that into consideration, you should drive slower! And if they REALLY SUCK then drive grandma speed!

If there were some sort of tire defect or flaw, then thats a different story, but if it were a defect/flaw then icy roads would have nothing to do with the crash.

[AppleBonker]

LBC, that is avoiding the true issue. As an engineer, you always need to design for reasonable foreseeable misuse. In this case, people drive faster than conditions allow. It happens all the time. The car should have been designed as such to minimize the potential problems caused in this situation. For a very similar cost, better tires could've been used which would not only make the car perform better, but safer as well.

[DReed86]

Bro you just have to dive extra slow in the snow/rain..... thats all brian is trying to say.... we dont want you to get into anymore accidents matt......

this is my philosophy on life.... I reciently got a lot of tickets lets just say 12 points on my license and $1700 in the span of 9 months.... but really that money can be replaced and my points will go away soon.

You should adopt a similar philosophy u will be fine, your car is fixed now.... so I say brush it off...

ps lets see some picks of the new mods.....

[dldjros69]

The tires are junk. Knock on wood ive never had any major problems. i just dont feel save driving on them.

At proper speeds for each condition, it just doesnt feel good.

I hydroplane in rain all the time. that never happen in my other cars. My tire guy said that the tires are garbage because their tread patter is really close.

[Rmuth25]

I consider to be very damn good at driving in the snow. I spent the first 5 or so years of my driving life in a 1989 Chevy Corsica. Aka no stability control, ABS etc etc.

So what I'm getting at is when I say that in my opinion the tires suck for winter driving, its not because I don't know what I'm doing or I need to slow down, whatever you guys were saying or implying.

The fact remains that the tires (atleast mine) spin when I'm starting from a complete stop, even if there isn't much snow at all. Which leads me to say that yes, these continentals pretty much suck.

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

LBC, that is avoiding the true issue. As an engineer, you always need to design for reasonable foreseeable misuse. In this case, people drive faster than conditions allow. It happens all the time. The car should have been designed as such to minimize the potential problems caused in this situation. For a very similar cost, better tires could've been used which would not only make the car perform better, but safer as well.

exactly i mean i get lbc's point to but imo why would you put bad tires on a vehicle that is one of the top ten sellers of all makes ?? makes no sense

BUTTTTTTT as some of you may know they changed the stock tires they are now bridgestones hmmmmm i wonder why lol

Bro you just have to dive extra slow in the snow/rain..... thats all brian is trying to say.... we dont want you to get into anymore accidents matt......

this is my philosophy on life.... I reciently got a lot of tickets lets just say 12 points on my license and $1700 in the span of 9 months.... but really that money can be replaced and my points will go away soon.

You should adopt a similar philosophy u will be fine, your car is fixed now.... so I say brush it off...

ps lets see some picks of the new mods.....

Overall im not stressing at the fact i got into an accident im just trying to gauge how many people really think the thought i do......i like this thread its like a huge debate if u think about it we all have diff views

But overall why should i have to drive extra slow i bought a FWD car instead of RWD BC of the fact of winters being s***ty in PA.....i was actually looking at the regular impreza but fully loaded but decided not to bc my dad said this car would be fine in the snow. When i crashed people were flying by me at 70 plus sooooo yea my car shouldnt have spun out like that

The tires are junk. Knock on wood ive never had any major problems. i just dont feel save driving on them.

At proper speeds for each condition, it just doesnt feel good.

I hydroplane in rain all the time. that never happen in my other cars. My tire guy said that the tires are garbage because their tread patter is really close.

if ur truely turboing you better have diff tires by the time you go to carlisle seriously.....if u turbo u should have a sick tire setup whats the point of not having good tires. Good tires could increase your speed by ALOT AND if you think your going to turbo and go over 120 EVER ummmmm yea you NEED new tires or they will blow up from the heat and u will crash lol wow that was morbid

I consider to be very damn good at driving in the snow. I spent the first 5 or so years of my driving life in a 1989 Chevy Corsica. Aka no stability control, ABS etc etc.

So what I'm getting at is when I say that in my opinion the tires suck for winter driving, its not because I don't know what I'm doing or I need to slow down, whatever you guys were saying or implying.

The fact remains that the tires (atleast mine) spin when I'm starting from a complete stop, even if there isn't much snow at all. Which leads me to say that yes, these continentals pretty much suck.

agreed i never had a problem EVER with my impala but this car in the snow is horrible i always start it in 2nd and ill shift a s***ton earlier when theres snow 1st to start moving 2nd at like 5mph 3rd at 15-20 4th ill sit there doin 30 its dumb its not necessary. But now i have new ones n they never spun in the snow n until next year i wont be able to tell ya how they last throughout the winter

[ESP]

Alright, I'm throwing this one out there again...

...I'm thinking the biggest issue here is the car itself. I know a number of the 3.5 guys are thrilled with their coupes in the snow. Being a 6-speed 2.5 (like Matt), I can attest to the fact that this particular model is an oily turd in the slippery stuff. A couple of years ago I was driving through the mountains during the winter...it was the scariest drive of my life! I had four brand spankin' new Michelin X-Ice tires and the damn car fishtailed. FISHTAILED!!!. The FWD car FISHTAILED!!! I was keeping up to speed with the traffic (going a bit slower, actually) going in a straight line, and the rear end would shift to one side or the other every couple of seconds.

So yes, Matt probably should have been going a bit slower than what he was (especially considering the shaking he'd mentioned), and the stock tires suck goat's nuts (yet another reason why he should have been going slower), but the design of the 2.5 should take a lot of the blame here. It is, by far, the worst winter vehicle I've driven.

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

Alright, I'm throwing this one out there again...

...I'm thinking the biggest issue here is the car itself. I know a number of the 3.5 guys are thrilled with their coupes in the snow. Being a 6-speed 2.5 (like Matt), I can attest to the fact that this particular model is an oily turd in the slippery stuff. A couple of years ago I was driving through the mountains during the winter...it was the scariest drive of my life! I had four brand spankin' new Michelin X-Ice tires and the damn car fishtailed. FISHTAILED!!!. The FWD car FISHTAILED!!! I was keeping up to speed with the traffic (going a bit slower, actually) going in a straight line, and the rear end would shift to one side or the other every couple of seconds.

So yes, Matt probably should have been going a bit slower than what he was (especially considering the shaking he'd mentioned), and the stock tires suck goat's nuts (yet another reason why he should have been going slower), but the design of the 2.5 should take a lot of the blame here. It is, by far, the worst winter vehicle I've driven.

actually by shaking i meant like u said it would go from side to side hmmm thats weird do u think its bc we dont have vdc??

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

Matt, buddy... No one hates you, but if talking about how you crashed your car upsets you then you shouldnt have made this thread. Blaming a crash on tires is something you can only do when there is a defect in the tire.

You said yourself, "the stock tires suck", taking that into consideration, you should drive slower! And if they REALLY SUCK then drive grandma speed!

If there were some sort of tire defect or flaw, then thats a different story, but if it were a defect/flaw then icy roads would have nothing to do with the crash.

y did u add a poll.......thats kinda ummmm how do i say this d!ck lol really???? but w/e theres two parts to a story so if your going to change it change it to IF YOU HAVE A 2.5 and urs u added

[ESP]

actually by shaking i meant like u said it would go from side to side hmmm thats weird do u think its bc we dont have vdc??

VDC or not, I don't give a damn...it's a poorly designed vehicle when it comes to winter driving. Period.

[toxik]

alright i'm gonna add my 2 cents to this thread. first off, there needs to be more clarification, afaik the 2009+ coupes got a rubber upgrade on the stock wheels. And from my experience even the 08 3.5 stocks aren't that bad. 2.5 stock tires are pure garbage.

I remember having stretched summer tires on my G35 18s back in the day. I switched them for my stocks a few days after a snow storm so there was still some slush on the ground. As soon as the stocks went on I was sliding everywhere, I couldn't stop at a stop sign.... in slush, thats horrible considering summer tires performed fine in the same conditions.

Brian, to be fair you haven't really driven on your stock tires. And whether you're calling matt out on his driving skills or the quality of the tires... either way they are complete garbage.

I personally don't care if anyone thinks the tires are fine, I'm sure it's easy to say, "well the other person just doesn't know how to drive since I never had a problem."

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

alright i'm gonna add my 2 cents to this thread. first off, there needs to be more clarification, afaik the 2009+ coupes got a rubber upgrade on the stock wheels. And from my experience even the 08 3.5 stocks aren't that bad. 2.5 stock tires are pure garbage.

I remember having stretched summer tires on my G35 18s back in the day. I switched them for my stocks a few days after a snow storm so there was still some slush on the ground. As soon as the stocks went on I was sliding everywhere, I couldn't stop at a stop sign.... in slush, thats horrible considering summer tires performed fine in the same conditions.

Brian, to be fair you haven't really driven on your stock tires. And whether you're calling matt out on his driving skills or the quality of the tires... either way they are complete garbage.

I personally don't care if anyone thinks the tires are fine, I'm sure it's easy to say, "well the other person just doesn't know how to drive since I never had a problem."

no **** but i <3 u lol those last 2 parts were put perfectly......im tryin to be nice here but its hard wen people keep drilling me telling me im a bad driver cough brian cough lmao......but thanks for agreeing with me. And your experiance shows what im trying to point out that the 2.5s tires straight up suck im surprised they werent recalled

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

the main point of this post was to find out weather or not i was the only one who had trouble with these tires. And now we know the 3.5s arent in this thread lol. This only refers to 2.5 stockers from 08-09

[ESP]

Hell, if you want proof that they suck, check out their reviews on TireRack!

[Hussain]

I'm pretty sure I have the baldest tires here (aaron can be my witness, he seen them first hand), PLUS I'm from California and up until this year, I have never driven in the snow.... that being said, this year I've driven through large puddles of water, snow, etc and have never lost control. I remember playing with the car in the rain with traction control off (at night when no cars or people were around) and trying to make it spin or slide and nothing happened. FWD is so predictable! drove my brothers mustang in the rain and just went half throttle on a turn in the rain and the rear end came around lol

[Rob.Vegan]

I've never crashed because of the tires but I have lost control for a second or two a few times while the roads were wet (light rain for like a half hour). Seems like any sort of moisture on the road will let the tires spin. I have finally replaced all my tires from stock but I still broke traction a couple times during heavy rains (and driving real slow).