How many people crashed there a/c bc of crappy stock tires?????

[bunda4th]

Well, I still don't think its the tires. I had the stock tires for a year and driven it in the rain (heavy and light) never had a problem. It is a matter of knowing what can be done with the car. I done quick lane change and didn't have a problem, but notice body roll.

I had a GS-T with bald tires (wires showing) but it had coilovers and didn't had any problems but didn't get much traction. With that said..

There are several factors to losing control in the 2.5s such as sitting higher and not having the best suspension. The 2.5s was not build to handle, brake and be fast like a 3.5se. It is meant to be a daily driven car by the average consumer who doesn't plan on changing suspension component or going fast.

I mean these tires do have a rating to only handle 113mph max. It is common sense that these tires are meant for normal driving condition such as not going fast in rain/snow, changing lane fast (last minute), taking corners, etc...

Then you have to realize the suspension is not meant to drive crazy either. Being that it sit like a 4x4, you aren't going to get the best handling for corners and be able to change lane like crazy.

If you want to drive and take corners etc...get the proper suspension first and tires (the right tires for different condition) before doing all this. If you get into some accident and say its the stocks tires well, its not because there are many more factors to losing control and how one handle it.

[dangeris]

I've never had any bad experience on the stock tire. Even when I took the wheels off and installed them on my daily driver, Acura TL-S. But then again, now-a-days, the coupe only comes out in nice weather and garaged on the crappy ones

[dldjros69]

if ur truely turboing you better have diff tires by the time you go to carlisle seriously.....if u turbo u should have a sick tire setup whats the point of not having good tires. Good tires could increase your speed by ALOT AND if you think your going to turbo and go over 120 EVER ummmmm yea you NEED new tires or they will blow up from the heat and u will crash lol wow that was morbid

IF?

No i wont have new tires by then. Im running these tires into the ground or atleast til i burn then off and get the turbo out of my system. Then ill be buying something new.

But im far to cheap to get rid of my stock rims.

No matt i do not plan on going any where near 100 mph let alone 120. but it would be nice to have decent tires.

This thread sucks! - why must people continue to say its the driver or the way we drive. Even driving normal and not spirited - these tires blow, and are dangerous in moist situations.

[QR25DE]

I drove the whole winter on GoodYear Nordics. OEM tire size on OEM rims. No issues. I even got into boost a few times in the snow and had no issues. I dunno, I'm used to driving in snow and rain 3/4s of the year so it's not bad. We get like 2-3 months of summer then it's back to rain/snow/ice.

Never had an issue.

[JAFO]

Not trying to be an a** to the OP, but if you thought that the stock tires were such crap, why didn't you replace them??

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

I'm pretty sure I have the baldest tires here (aaron can be my witness, he seen them first hand), PLUS I'm from California and up until this year, I have never driven in the snow.... that being said, this year I've driven through large puddles of water, snow, etc and have never lost control. I remember playing with the car in the rain with traction control off (at night when no cars or people were around) and trying to make it spin or slide and nothing happened. FWD is so predictable! drove my brothers mustang in the rain and just went half throttle on a turn in the rain and the rear end came around lol

bc this thread is only for 2.5's sorry lol

I've never crashed because of the tires but I have lost control for a second or two a few times while the roads were wet (light rain for like a half hour). Seems like any sort of moisture on the road will let the tires spin. I have finally replaced all my tires from stock but I still broke traction a couple times during heavy rains (and driving real slow).

and ur in cali throw some cold weather n ud a been fudged lol

Well, I still don't think its the tires. I had the stock tires for a year and driven it in the rain (heavy and light) never had a problem. It is a matter of knowing what can be done with the car. I done quick lane change and didn't have a problem, but notice body roll.

I had a GS-T with bald tires (wires showing) but it had coilovers and didn't had any problems but didn't get much traction. With that said..

There are several factors to losing control in the 2.5s such as sitting higher and not having the best suspension. The 2.5s was not build to handle, brake and be fast like a 3.5se. It is meant to be a daily driven car by the average consumer who doesn't plan on changing suspension component or going fast.

I mean these tires do have a rating to only handle 113mph max. It is common sense that these tires are meant for normal driving condition such as not going fast in rain/snow, changing lane fast (last minute), taking corners, etc...

Then you have to realize the suspension is not meant to drive crazy either. Being that it sit like a 4x4, you aren't going to get the best handling for corners and be able to change lane like crazy.

If you want to drive and take corners etc...get the proper suspension first and tires (the right tires for different condition) before doing all this. If you get into some accident and say its the stocks tires well, its not because there are many more factors to losing control and how one handle it.

im dropped on springs if that matters but i kinda see what ur saying maybe that does affect it idk personally

I've never had any bad experience on the stock tire. Even when I took the wheels off and installed them on my daily driver, Acura TL-S. But then again, now-a-days, the coupe only comes out in nice weather and garaged on the crappy ones

read the thread darryl lol its only for 2.5s get ur gtr outta here oh s*** i shouldnt have said that lol

IF?

No i wont have new tires by then. Im running these tires into the ground or atleast til i burn then off and get the turbo out of my system. Then ill be buying something new.

But im far to cheap to get rid of my stock rims.

No matt i do not plan on going any where near 100 mph let alone 120. but it would be nice to have decent tires.

This thread sucks! - why must people continue to say its the driver or the way we drive. Even driving normal and not spirited - these tires blow, and are dangerous in moist situations.

thankyou danny n wait so ur gonna get this turbo lol ok sooooo u wont get new tires bro please get new ones itll cost u like 400-450 for new tires i just got em n imo soooo much better AA rated so there awsome

I drove the whole winter on GoodYear Nordics. OEM tire size on OEM rims. No issues. I even got into boost a few times in the snow and had no issues. I dunno, I'm used to driving in snow and rain 3/4s of the year so it's not bad. We get like 2-3 months of summer then it's back to rain/snow/ice.

Never had an issue.

lol thats saying that u think its not the car and it is the tires........debate this with esp lol

Not trying to be an a** to the OP, but if you thought that the stock tires were such crap, why didn't you replace them??

i wasnt replacing them at that time bc i had one month left of winter and i was going to switch them out come march w/ my summer rims so i never did YET.....now theres new tires bc i f***ed them up in the accident wen i slid.....not a d!ck comment u put it perfectly

[LongBeachCoupe]

The thing is, if you know its crappy, you should drive accordingly. Bottom line.

If you had a broken leg, and needed it to shift, you would drive differently right?

By the same token, if you get in the car and think the tires are crappy, act the same way... and most certainly if there is something shaking, pull over and get a tow, or go GRANDMA speed at your own risk!

All this talk of rubber..... Stop humping my leg darryl!

[Truerocket11]

I know a number of the 3.5 guys are thrilled with their coupes in the snow. Being a 6-speed 2.5 (like Matt), I can attest to the fact that this particular model is an oily turd in the slippery stuff.

Yeah I don't have the 6spd but the 2.5CVTs Continental Conitact Pro Stock Tires are horrible in the snow, but not too bad in the rain. I haven't gotten into any accidents but ALMOST did and this is going like 20mph around a curve with slight rain.

[chrispizzitola]

Where i live its Dry 300+ days a year. When it does happen to rain there are many accidents due to two things.1 is that people just are not used to driving in the rain.2 is all the accumulation of oil and dirt come are brought to the surface making the roads very bad. I did unfortunately crash my car due to the rain but its a lessoned learned. (Dont go over 60 in the rain)And like i said tires are not to blame completely but better tires would have possibly prevented me from getting into my accident.Personally i am afraid to drive in the rain now, You can call me a p**** but i prefer to avoid the risk.

[bunda4th]

If you want to see how good your suspension is but I do not recommend doing this unless at a close course or at an empty parking lot in the middle of the night.

AutoX at a close course when you can.

or

Pretend there is a set of cones in front of you in a straight line that is a little more than a car length just enough for you to weave in and out of it. See if you can do it without going out to wide each time or having to slow down. See how many times your tire slip on you etc and how much body roll you can feel.

A higher ground clearance means that the center of mass of the car is higher, which makes for less precise and more dangerous handling characteristics (most notably, the chance of rollover is higher).

So if you are lower your handling improve because the lower center of gravity. Thats why high end sport car is already lower to the ground.

So with that I will say it again there is more factor then just tires making someone lose control or spinning out.

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

The thing is, if you know its crappy, you should drive accordingly. Bottom line.

If you had a broken leg, and needed it to shift, you would drive differently right?

By the same token, if you get in the car and think the tires are crappy, act the same way... and most certainly if there is something shaking, pull over and get a tow, or go GRANDMA speed at your own risk!

All this talk of rubber..... Stop humping my leg darryl!

i agree you should drive accordingly if you know they are bad. BUT to my defense i didnt think they were this bad. I never spun out before this ever other than in the snow n that was always on purpose. I know how to drive in the snow and have never had a problem with it literally. Im making this post to one see if this has happened to other, which obviously it has and 2 to keep it from happening in the future

n i agree darryl stop humping his leg like ur dog tried to do to mine lmao

Yeah I don't have the 6spd but the 2.5CVTs Continental Conitact Pro Stock Tires are horrible in the snow, but not too bad in the rain. I haven't gotten into any accidents but ALMOST did and this is going like 20mph around a curve with slight rain.

again another person this has happened to. I look at it this way I WAS LUCKY AS HELL. I went across 4 lanes of traffic n there were a decent ammount of cars too. But somehow i only hit the guard rail so yea thankyou god for watching over me.

Where i live its Dry 300+ days a year. When it does happen to rain there are many accidents due to two things.1 is that people just are not used to driving in the rain.2 is all the accumulation of oil and dirt come are brought to the surface making the roads very bad. I did unfortunately crash my car due to the rain but its a lessoned learned. (Dont go over 60 in the rain)And like i said tires are not to blame completely but better tires would have possibly prevented me from getting into my accident.Personally i am afraid to drive in the rain now, You can call me a p**** but i prefer to avoid the risk.

exactly i am now afraid to drive at night in very dark roads bc of a diff incedent but i am also afraid of heavy rain/rain in general now. I have slowed down alot the only times i drive fast now are like backroads and sometimes a highway or two. But now when i drive to and from school i hate it......i hate rt 80 now it scartes the s*** out of me i wont drive it at night anymore. Or during the rain n if it is raingin ill drive super slow aka last time i went home i was going 50 in a 65 yea that shows it lol

If you want to see how good your suspension is but I do not recommend doing this unless at a close course or at an empty parking lot in the middle of the night.

AutoX at a close course when you can.

or

Pretend there is a set of cones in front of you in a straight line that is a little more than a car length just enough for you to weave in and out of it. See if you can do it without going out to wide each time or having to slow down. See how many times your tire slip on you etc and how much body roll you can feel.

A higher ground clearance means that the center of mass of the car is higher, which makes for less precise and more dangerous handling characteristics (most notably, the chance of rollover is higher).

So if you are lower your handling improve because the lower center of gravity. Thats why high end sport car is already lower to the ground.

So with that I will say it again there is more factor then just tires making someone lose control or spinning out.

lol ive done this MANY times thats y i was so surprised when it happened. There was no way of preventing it other than going slower. I went to fast for the cfonditions w/ these tires. Hell ive done autox at carlisle and i screw around every time it snows in parking lots. not so much anymore but i do it so i can learn the car

[bunda4th]

There was no way of preventing it other than going slower. I went to fast for the cfonditions w/ these tires.

I am going to have to call you out on this one. It apparently wasn't the tires that cause the accident. As you stated you went faster than you should in the weather condition. Yes, some tires are better than others but you still have to go slower than normal with any tires during different weather condition. And of course it was the jerking of the car that caused it as well.

[crayzitalian3]

once my car hit 5000 miles i felt that i needed to switch to bridgestone potenza's and i did, they are amazing and i still have them on at 39,000 miles with spirited driving and they are holding up strong in every situation

glad i switched

[DJ_B_Easy]

the main point of this post was to find out weather or not i was the only one who had trouble with these tires. And now we know the 3.5s arent in this thread lol. This only refers to 2.5 stockers from 08-09

I ride '08 3.5...see previous post.

[turbocoupe]

I do not know what the 08s came with,but my 09 has Michelin Primacy MXV4s. For a performance all season tire, Consumer Reports recomends them. They call them an excellent choice overall.

[BadaBing718]

i would add my two cents to this thread also, but i dont wanna go broke

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

I am going to have to call you out on this one. It apparently wasn't the tires that cause the accident. As you stated you went faster than you should in the weather condition. Yes, some tires are better than others but you still have to go slower than normal with any tires during different weather condition. And of course it was the jerking of the car that caused it as well.

im confused i dont get what ur calling me out on lol. Yea i went faster than i should have with these tires but at the time i didnt think oh why it was happening soooo ummm yes the jerking also caused it bubt i think the car jerked bc of it losing traction u know i mean idk im not an expert i still dont know what truely happened. It happens so quick theres no time to be like hmm maybe i should turn this way it legit just jerked the whel n i saw headlight in the same instant i then saw them again then the guardrail lol boom......end credits lol

I ride '08 3.5...see previous post.

sorry i misread i do the multi quote so if i didnt rem what ur thing said under the avatar i just assumed sorry lol

I do not know what the 08s came with,but my 09 has Michelin Primacy MXV4s. For a performance all season tire, Consumer Reports recomends them. They call them an excellent choice overall.

we had the continetals those are the bad ones im referring to so im dumb yet again lol this post technically only refers to the 08's?? are we the only ones with the continentals?

i would add my two cents to this thread also, but i dont wanna go broke

lol how would u go broke by putting ur input ??

[wildcat08]

'09 2.5, stock Conti's, 14k miles. Never had a problem. We get snow, ice, torrential rain, etc. here and I think they've done pretty well. Compared to the car I used to drive, the Alti handles pretty good on slick things. That car felt like it took forever to stop on dry pavement, even w/ brand new brakes. When we had an ice storm in January there was a 3.5 Alti coupe spun out/stuck in the median, but I didn't think it was too bad. Just don't slam on the brakes when it's slick. Bad things will happen.

[BadaBing718]

lol its a joke you noe haha sarcasm much?

[BLKmomba1]

i jus totaled my alti because of a nice patch of blk ice. but during the snow and heavy rain i had no problems with traction with stock continentals. but on a nice patch of ice, reguardless of what tire you have there is gonna be trouble. ... but i have to say... alti coupes are safe as hell... i walked away from this unbruised and still alive still in the process of a new ride at the moment,i have a set of brand new 18" gold chrome xxr's that i have to find something to do with and im sad i couldnt pull off my nismo exhuasts before they took the car away. but i have to say im an alti fan for life. i loved that car

isnt the air freshner ironic?!

[DJ_B_Easy]

but i have to say... alti coupes are safe as hell...

Im with BLKmomba on this one. I walked away from my accident without a scratch on me, the Alti had $12,500 worth of them.

But daaaaaamn...mine did not look anything like that. You are lucky to be alive man.

[IBCoupe]

Ten days after I bought the car, a blizzard found me. Luckily, I was going slow enough to produce no detectable damage to the car. Jerkface in the pick-up I bounced off of called insurance. As far as I can tell, there was no detectable damage to his truck, either. I know what you mean about sore spots, Phenom.

That said, it probably had to do more with the fact that I'd had the car for less than two weeks than the tires, but the Bridgestones certainly didn't help. Couple more storms last winter 'til I realized how nose-heavy this car really was.

My previous ride was a '97 Corolla that weighed nothing close to my coupe. Momentum sucks.

[IBCoupe]

exactly i am now afraid to drive at night in very dark roads bc of a diff incedent but i am also afraid of heavy rain/rain in general now. I have slowed down alot the only times i drive fast now are like backroads and sometimes a highway or two. But now when i drive to and from school i hate it......i hate rt 80 now it scartes the s*** out of me i wont drive it at night anymore. Or during the rain n if it is raingin ill drive super slow aka last time i went home i was going 50 in a 65 yea that shows it lol

This wears off over time, Phenom. Heavy rain like we had up here these last few days still worry me, but that's why God invented manual mode for those of us not blessed enough to have a standard. Driving down a straight-shot of highway after coming across a bridge on I-95W in New London, CT, I started hydroplaning in the right-hand lane (where I live - I take that "passing on the left" thing seriously) and slowly drifted towards the guard-rail. Downshifted and let go of the gas, and a few "Holy craps" later I was right as... rain. Scared the crap out of the Nissan pick-up behind me, too. He gave up on trying to pass me.

[AltyCoupe]

okay i guess im a little confused. I havent read the whole thread but i have had numerous people compliment my tires out of everything else (weird). I think the 2008's came with different tires than the ones i have (2009). A lot of people say the Michellin Pilots are very good tires. From my perspective i have never had a bad experiene (knocks on wood) and i have done some crazy stuff at times. im just wondering why everyone on the forums hate the stock tires?

[jswfl09]

My '09 came with the Michelin Primacy MXV4s. They been in some typical summertime FL downpours on the highway with no problems to report. 10k on them and they still look new. Should last a long time.

Edit: It is a 2.5

[Micron]

I'd have to agree 100% with LBC on this... You need to know the capabilities of your car and equipment. If it has issues with that environment, you need to drive with both your and your equipments capabilities. It's a combination of the two. A good driver knows their limits...

It's a constant complaint of mine with other drivers... just because something can go XXXmph, doesn't mean you should do it. Do you really think your average car stands a fighting chance at stopping quickly or even surviving a crash at 100mph? Many can do the speed, but that doesn't mean you SHOULD. Again, it falls to the driver and equipment. If you exceed what your equipment is designed for, capable of or what common sense tells the masses; you're looking for disaster.

A good analogy would be trying to run a marathon in flip-flops. For normal walking around, they get the the job done and are quite comfy; but that doesn't mean they'd be your best option to run the marathon. Nor would you wear them on a muddy hike or through feet of snow.

Now as far as the person saying what engineering tells you... You can't design, spec out and build out something to suit EVERY possible scenario. If you did, next to nobody could afford a car!

You go for how the majority will drive the vehicle. IE: Not pushing the limits.And that's not saying that those who push the limits should be doing it in the first place... just because you can push the accelerator and hold the car in a straight line doesn't mean you're safe and know what you're doing at that speed.

With all of that said... 88K miles on my A/C, no crashes due to bad weather through all of the blizzards, torrential downpours, ice storms and everything else I've driven through in the mountain backroads, interstates and through the cities. But then again, I make sure my equipment matches my driving style and ability before I'm put in a situation to have to find out.

It's personal accountability and responsibility... if it were a manufacturing defect, then you could blame the equipment.