How good is KA-T on the track?

[redtop91]

Yeah...why don't you NOT worry about KAT relted threads

Hehehe. I <3 your spelling Bri.

[WDRacing]

Psssssht...you try drinking a 1/10 of my usual diet and see how well you type

[joenismos15]

I didnt Know you could drink Denatured alcohol WD

[BigMACKenzie]

Psssssht...you try drinking a 1/10 of my usual diet and see how well you type

I will try! give me your numbers sir, I will give it the old college try (if I dont get it the first time, get falling down drunk and try it again. But to be on Topic: I am a Huge SR slut. Love them. want one to have thousands of my little babies. But that doesnt mean there is anything wrong with the KA. Its not bad just different. Elgarvo616 try READING before you go making outlandish statements. The Ka can make torgue that would cause an SR to weep openly and throw itself on the ground while gnashing its teeth. The SR makes the silvia a almost perfectly balanced high HP drifting/racing machine. Each side has its ups and downs and its more about the driver and what they like/want/need than whether or not "Ka'S RUl3 SR M0t0rs" or vice versa.

[WDRacing]

I didnt Know you could drink Denatured alcohol WD

SURE you can...just need to filter it through a paper towel...lol.

I will try! give me your numbers sir, I will give it the old college try (if I dont get it the first time, get falling down drunk and try it again. But to be on Topic: I am a Huge SR slut. Love them. want one to have thousands of my little babies. But that doesnt mean there is anything wrong with the KA. Its not bad just different. Elgarvo616 try READING before you go making outlandish statements. The Ka can make torgue that would cause an SR to weep openly and throw itself on the ground while gnashing its teeth. The SR makes the silvia a almost perfectly balanced high HP drifting/racing machine. Each side has its ups and downs and its more about the driver and what they like/want/need than whether or not "Ka'S RUl3 SR M0t0rs" or vice versa.

To drink as much as I do, you have to admittedly be an alcoholic I'm trying to cut down...but sometimes it gets the better of me.

On a flip on topic note...

The SR and KA are both full of design flaws. Nissan had already designed close to perfect motors prior and after these two. I'll give you examples...the CA18, FJ20 both before, the entire RB series during and after.

By design flaws I mean simple things like...rockers in the SR..bad idea...more moving parts are NEVER a good thing. Timing chains...BAD idea, belts are far better and easier to maintain and facilitate far easier maintenance. The KA also suffers from the chains as well as a poorly balanced crank. Not to mention it's almost as heavy as a SBC 350 block...WTF over?

The best design would have been a hybrid CA18 KA24 SR20 masterpiece. Take the aluminum block from the SR, the design of the CA18 and the stroke of the KA with a fully counter weighted crank and achieve a 2.2 screamer that can produce torque and still rev to 8000rpm is factory form while being lighter then the entire RB series.

But I'm just a dreamer...

WD

[BigMACKenzie]

alchoholic? sorry thats where I have to stop. But I see you is a NORML member so you are aware of the healthier options (hope your vaporizing ^^) The nice thing about what you mentioned though is that with aftermarket parts you can fix some of the problems you mentioned. Upgraded rocker arm stoppers are a staple now in teh SR comunity and not exspensive or hard to locate. I agree though a RB SR KA hybrid supermotor would melt everyones faces but I dont think it will ever be. sad day.

[boznuttz]

Torque isn't a bad thing at all. Anyone that tells you that a KA-T setup produces too much torque is just an idiot. What do you think some of the LSx guys do coming out of corners?

[bruinbear714]

Im wondering how good the KA-T setup is on the track...Im not talking about drifting (cuz I know it does well), im talkin about circuit racing and grip. I havent heard that much about KA-T's killing it on the circuit, and many people tell me that KA-T's require alot of finesse on the gas (due to massive torque) so its supposedly a little harder to get used to (rather than throwing the chassis around drifting).

So are there any 'famous' KA-T track cars out there that do really well on the track? And for people who already have the set up, how do you think it does with circuit racing?

I've driven both the SR and KAT at autox and I prefer the KAT over the SR anyday due to the fact that it has more low end torque.

However, the rear tends to lose grip coming out of most corners with a KAT so throttle control is important. With an SR, you can floor it out of the corners.

[simmode1]

The best design would have been a hybrid CA18 KA24 SR20 masterpiece. Take the aluminum block from the SR, the design of the CA18 and the stroke of the KA with a fully counter weighted crank and achieve a 2.2 screamer that can produce torque and still rev to 8000rpm is factory form while being lighter then the entire RB series. But I'm just a dreamer...

WD

Maybe Nissan will put this in the S16...

[Biggamehit]

i auto-x and drift my 240...

i use the auto x events now to fill in while waiting for drift events... I love it

i just did my first one in the SCCA DC region and man it was a blast and highly recommend it. my car did very well. the time of the day was about 54 or 56ish set by the vets.... i had never done auto-x in my own car that i built..

after the first three go around and finding the track, i turned 90 secs

on the last one i sorta let it "hang" out and turned a 67sec run... i was so impressed with the performance of my motor, very responsive in and out of the corners. as many of you know, you generally never get out of second and maybe touch 3rd for a split second, depending on how fast the track is.

I used second all the way around the course and it was awesome. Yes i drift, but i was into grip racing before drifting and they compliment each other. to be honest every great drifter is awesome at grip driving just check out BMI.

[shahabshaukat]

The SR with its mighty rocker arm stoppers.....the SR haha...do some research

[redtop91]

You need to do some research. The SR doesn't have rocker arm stoppers. People add them to it. Way to prove how much of a dumbass you are. Spend the time you are trying to pull your foot out of your mouth learning how each engine has its advantages instead of jacking off to the KA's 400 extra cc of displacement. Tard.

[480sx]

The pwnage skills are strong in this one...

[Scuffed_ChukiCoupe]

You need to do some research. The SR doesn't have rocker arm stoppers. People add them to it. Way to prove how much of a dumbass you are. Spend the time you are trying to pull your foot out of your mouth learning how each engine has its advantages instead of jacking off to the KA's 400 extra cc of displacement. Tard.

whats wrong with jacking of to the ka's extra 400 cc's.....? i do it all the time

[redtop91]

Just like there is technically nothing wrong with jacking off to gay p0rn there is nothing wrong with jacking off to the KA. It just makes you a man meat expert like WD.

[shahabshaukat]

You need to do some research. The SR doesn't have rocker arm stoppers. People add them to it. Way to prove how much of a dumbass you are. Spend the time you are trying to pull your foot out of your mouth learning how each engine has its advantages instead of jacking off to the KA's 400 extra cc of displacement. Tard.

hahahaha the mere fact that it need these rocker arm stoppers is reason enough to avoid this motor, the money that you shell out to make power on the sr is much better spent building up the KA with its awesome 400cc's extra displacement and the torque advantage........if you havent ever experianced the ka the you need to, because past all the fanboy JDM'ness of the motor there is nothing that makes it special, infact if you do want to do some research, do this... the sr was made at a time when nissan motors was not doing so well , hence these motors these SR20det's that you so aimlessly bow down to are nothing more than fanboy HYPE.

I'm much happier jacking off to the extra 400 cc's pf displacement then to some fukkin jdm fanboy garbage.

Peace Bitcch

[240sxvaj]

hahahaha the mere fact that it need these rocker arm stoppers is reason enough to avoid this motor, the money that you shell out to make power on the sr is much better spent building up the KA with its awesome 400cc's extra displacement and the torque advantage........if you havent ever experianced the ka the you need to, because past all the fanboy JDM'ness of the motor there is nothing that makes it special, infact if you do want to do some research, do this... the sr was made at a time when nissan motors was not doing so well , hence these motors these SR20det's that you so aimlessly bow down to are nothing more than fanboy HYPE.

I'm much happier jacking off to the extra 400 cc's pf displacement then to some fukkin jdm fanboy garbage.

Peace Bitcch

+1I Jack-Off to my ka-t. Man it is as good as p0rn, actually whenever i floor the gas pedal i cant control the feeling, it's like a getting a bj from a HOT *** girl while driving.LOL All the torque is like having a never ending climax.

The feeling of a sr is like "i'm starting to feel it, okay its getting closer" Redline done!

Dont get me wrong i've been in a 230whp sr and not close compared to my 245whp t25 ka-t. LOVE the torque of the Ka-t!
Modified by 240sxvaj at 1:50 AM 6/28/2008

[WDRacing]

hahahaha the mere fact that it need these rocker arm stoppers is reason enough to avoid this motor, the money that you shell out to make power on the sr is much better spent building up the KA with its awesome 400cc's extra displacement and the torque advantage........if you havent ever experianced the ka the you need to, because past all the fanboy JDM'ness of the motor there is nothing that makes it special, infact if you do want to do some research, do this... the sr was made at a time when nissan motors was not doing so well , hence these motors these SR20det's that you so aimlessly bow down to are nothing more than fanboy HYPE.

I'm much happier jacking off to the extra 400 cc's pf displacement then to some fukkin jdm fanboy garbage.

Peace Bitcch

First off, spouting ignorance doesn't do much to support your cause man. If the SR was such a bad motor designed because Nissan was doing badly at that particular time, how do you explain it being designed by the same team that built the RB26? Also, how do you explain that it still currently resides in the S15 chassis many many years after Nissan came out of the slump? And finally the rocker arm statement...this mod does not need to be done on SR's that retain there stock rev limit.

It's this inability to argue the facts that turns these threads into utter crap every time they get posted.

Ryon, you FAIL for not realizing that the KA, albeit it being a heavier motor, is every bit as good as the SR. The aftermarket has finally caught up so that can't be considered anymore. What you're left with is a motor that has 400cc more displacement that without question yields more low end torque then the SR is capable of. The only reason there are so many problems with the KA is because people in general are lazy and stupid. They cheap out on essential things and ignore proven methods of success. But compare the KAT's that are built by guys with any knowledge at all and you have a platform that is every bit as competitive as the SR.

They are both very good motors. Arguing that one is better then the other is for people that should stick to peeling bananas for retarded monkeys.

WD

[redtop91]

hahahaha the mere fact that it need these rocker arm stoppers is reason enough to avoid this motor,

Not really. The SR has a powerband the KA can only dream of spinning up to so the only people that buy RAS are those who plan on drifting and even then it's only as insurance against REALLY overreving the engine. I've revved my SR to 8700 bone stock. The SR does NOT NEED RAS. And are you really saying that a $150, 30 minute mod is a reason to avoid a motor? Yeah I'm sticking with my original argument. You are a retard.

the money that you shell out to make power on the sr is much better spent building up the KA with its awesome 400cc's extra displacement and the torque advantage

What money I shell out? Redtop SR's can be had for $1500. Slap on a GT30R, some 740's, cams and a rom tune and you are making 400+ WHP all day. With the KA you are still shelling out money for internals at that point. And for what? 40 extra lb ft and loosing that at your 6500 RPM redline? Sorry I'll still be in gear making the torque that is your only claim to fame that you are now having to build back up. Save the torque argument when you are making turbo diesel torque. The torque of any 4 cylinder is only impressive to ricers and noobs.

because past all the fanboy JDM'ness of the motor there is nothing that makes it special

Balanced crank, better internals, better breathing ability, lighter, bigger aftermarket support just to name a few. Again this is something all KA fanboy's say. Just because someone got a motor that came in the car in Japan doesn't make them a fanboy. The fact that you think that makes you even further a PDS rehab dropout. The SR and CA came in every other market except the United States. It doesn't make the SR JDM tyte it makes the KA the bastard red headed step child.

the sr was made at a time when nissan motors was not doing so well , hence these motors these SR20det's that you so aimlessly bow down to are nothing more than fanboy HYPE.

Ummmmmmmmm there is no train of reason or logic to directly equate Nissan's profitability to the SR's quality. GM is reporting record losses when their car's have never been powered by more reliable, efficient, and powerful engines. Picking your weak argument apart is a walk in the park.

Ryon, you FAIL for not realizing that the KA, albeit it being a heavier motor, is every bit as good as the SR. The aftermarket has finally caught up so that can't be considered anymore. What you're left with is a motor that has 400cc more displacement that without question yields more low end torque then the SR is capable of. The only reason there are so many problems with the KA is because people in general are lazy and stupid. They cheap out on essential things and ignore proven methods of success. But compare the KAT's that are built by guys with any knowledge at all and you have a platform that is every bit as competitive as the SR.

I'll paypal you $10 if you can even find where I remotely even suggested that the KA was inferior to the SR. My only argument has been they are different and done right they are both pretty much equals.

[WDRacing]

What money I shell out? Redtop SR's can be had for $1500. Slap on a GT30R, some 740's, cams and a rom tune and you are making 400+ WHP all day. With the KA you are still shelling out money for internals at that point. And for what? 40 extra lb ft and loosing that at your 6500 RPM redline? Sorry I'll still be in gear making the torque that is your only claim to fame that you are now having to build back up. Save the torque argument when you are making turbo diesel torque. The torque of any 4 cylinder is only impressive to ricers and noobs.

Power under the curve is what all racing is about. Because a motor can rev higher is a good thing, but the KA does NOT have a rev limit of 6500. This goes back to my, educated discussion comment. If I had an SR in my S14 I certainly wouldn't remove it in favor of the heavy *** KA...so my opinion isn't biased. The KA has been proven to consistantly make over 400whp with just the installation of a T3/TO4E and a rom tune coupled with 20 psi of boost. This was done at 6300 rpm. That gave Fiznat a useable 3500 rpms of real power. When in ANY type of racing, you don't leave the rpm band. Drifing included...if you are going to argue, then explain why I've seen diesels swapped into Miata's?

Add cams and the KA head WILL breath as well as the SR...so now we no longer have the 6500 rev limit. The KA CAN rev to 8K with cams and springs. I'd personally upgrade the rods though before I did that, so thats $350 to safely run up to 8K once you've swapped cams and added some springs.

I don't know why people say the KA crank is bad...sure it's not fully counter weighted, but I don't know of a single person that has twisted a crank because they over revved.

If you guys are going to argue for one or another, atleast make informed statements. Like I said already...like 3 times now. They are both good motors and most of the arguing points are actually not true. The only thing SR definitly has over the KA is light weight. The KA is a boat anchor.

WD

[240sxvaj]

You guys should have a ka24de-t vs sr20det race. No arguing and just let the cars talk for itself. also make a video, i would love to see this.

[WDRacing]

You guys should have a ka24de-t vs sr20det race. No arguing and just let the cars talk for itself. also make a video, i would love to see this.

Depends on what type of racing...Ryon is only a couple hrs away from me. But he know's he'd get owned at the drag strip...then again, Ryons SR does not have a rod on the wrong side of the block My S14 has been down for close to 3 years now. But she's got plans that are coming together. Just involves some fabrication, a new motor, internals that can sustain insane boot levels and enough alcohol to kill an entire herd of cows

WD

[redtop91]

Depends on what type of racing...

Race home from the bar. Easy win for me.

[Biggamehit]

sigh wd sigh... its no point bro

well some more real world action

of all these cars yesterday at school.

i only finished 2nd to one of the s2ks by one second

KA-T currently 190hp

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[Scuffed_ChukiCoupe]

^ was this a straight line drag race? cause i have a hard time beliving a 190 hp 240 beat an srt8, and bmw 3 series... just to name a few from that list. What was this thread orginally about again?

[Biggamehit]

no it was not straight line.. it was an Auto-x event...........................................................

zerothread/348269

however even in a straight line i run 13s..... so if they slipped up/can't drive, i would beat them.... drag FTL so not cool anymore to me..

the thread was about how KA-T's do at the track... i had 25plus runs yesterday and the KA was awesome once again

[Florida240sx]

I had 5psi and sr I raced had 7psi. He lost all 3 times from diffferent speeds.he was fmic upgrade and smalll crap. I was IAP kit. With stock injectors and me tuning the safc on the drive out there.

To settle the drinking yall fly down here to FL. We'll drink some Guiness at my bar... just so you know I just now got home from it.

Challenging a bartender is usually not the wiset of ideas, sounds like another bandwagoner wanting to jump on but his idioticjdmness keeps him from prevailing in all situations.

[JVkouki]

I dont want this to turn into a SR vs KA this-is-better-than-that flame war type thread, theres way too many of those around. IMO, they're both great & they both have their own weaknesses and strengths.... I'm just alot more interested (im sure we all are) about how turbo KA's perform on circuit/track/grip.....

OTHERWISE

zerothread/348269

however even in a straight line i run 13s..... so if they slipped up/can't drive, i would beat them.... drag FTL so not cool anymore to me..

the thread was about how KA-T's do at the track... i had 25plus runs yesterday and the KA was awesome once again

nice examples/vids- good job kicking a$$ and reaching 2nd... power is definitely not everything in this case do you have any vids with the in-car cockpit view?

....but so far, really great discussion about the overall performance with KA-T's
Modified by silverkouki at 6:50 AM 6/30/2008

[Biggamehit]

thanks bro.

im going to build me a IN car mount for my camera for this next event.

edit:

i just talked to the 911 guy and he got an 34 also.... :/ lol

[WDRacing]

ITo settle the drinking yall fly down here to FL. We'll drink some Guiness at my bar... just so you know I just now got home from it.

Challenging a bartender is usually not the wiset of ideas.

Do you own the bar? Do they serve Kilkenny? It's also not wise to challenge someone of Irish/Scottish/Welsh decent to ANYTHING. Because I will cheat if need be