How can a F22c make same power a Rb25det does..?

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i was comparing my H as a price reference.. the S2000 engine is expensive

The F22c is a 2.2L not a 2.0L the F20c is the earlier S2k Engine

The spool difference between my RB25 and my H22a with a 3076R was about a 500RPM difference, however the RB has a divided manifold and turbine housing setup the H22 didnt the RB will spool a larger turbo better, but not enough to go tell all your friends

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"Hondas are cheap motors fit into ANYTHING sleeved block pistons and rods and you have something that can make 600whp all day being they were made in the US its not hard to find them ready to go... cheaper MUCH cheaper"

So wait... are you suggesting that this guy should custom swap a H22 into his S14???
Thats a shyt ton of work for an H22...
I know its been done before but the practicality of it is not there.
Plus it would also add to the cost...

I was talking about as the OP had brought up putting a F22C or a RB25 in his S14.
I couldn't find an F22C swap online but I would only assume its much more than the F20C.

Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that these Honda heads out flow the RB's.
But as far as $$ wise you can't beat the RB25.

"The last H22 motor i built for a friend put down 750whp and 570wtq on C16 TO4Z turbo ( BB 67mm) on 35psi... thats pretty nasty... show me an RB20 or 25 thats doing that..."

Also this H22 you built for you friend what did you do to it internally?
I highly doubt thats stock and if it was how long did it last?
I'm sure a built RB could hit those #'s as well.

[s14_sport]

My h22a made 440wtq and 610whp on 28psi... with a 6265 precision with pump and meth

Rb's are in the general area of this... they are by no means torque monsters... if you think that your a tard...

With a 30r my RB made 412whp and 330wtq on 20psi 92 pump

With a 30R on my h22a (same exact turbo used) i made 480whp and 376wtq on 17psi 92 pump

both have built engines... both using bone stock cylinders heads... (no cams porting valvetrain etc)

Im not trying to put down the RB motors... i love my RB and the music it makes...

RB's can make insane power, but it takes more work in cylinder head modifications etc which most poeple dont do ( i didnt) to make power with them

The last H22 motor i built for a friend put down 750whp and 570wtq on C16 TO4Z turbo ( BB 67mm) on 35psi... thats pretty nasty... show me an RB20 or 25 thats doing that...

again before people switch gears and call me names for going to bat for a honda... im just being realistic ive built and messed with both and so far my H has taken the cake


Also, what Lip is that on your kouki?

Dude, you know how many different variables you are talking about above?

For one, since you are big into Hondas who says that you're as good building RB motors as you are Honda motors?

You don't fit one piston right into a cylinder and you can rob hp, tq and 1/4 mile times.

You are comparing 20 yr old 6cyl motors to much much newer 4 cyl motors that flow better and have NEW TECHNOLOGY, years and years of research and white lab coats doing computer aided testing and modeling.

Thats like saying my 70yr old grandmother can't run a mile quicker then your 20 yr old nephew.

Nissan came out with a revolutionary VG30 Twin Turbo motor in a 300ZX back then and it did 300HP and was moping up all the competition and then ten years later they came out with the 350Z and it still does 300HP BUT N/A, without the need for turbo. Technology changes things drastically. Now look at the GTR 530HP stock in a V6 with twins. My Boy has a BONE STOCK RB26 block doing 750HP. RB30 Hybrids are Twisting 1/4 Tracks with 1000HP+ stock.

Basically, who cares what motor you think is better...you have your reasons.

Pick a motor you like, build it to the best of your ability, tune it properly and get as much out of it as you can and have fun!

btw, I have a C-West knockoff lip on my kouki

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"Hondas are cheap motors fit into ANYTHING sleeved block pistons and rods and you have something that can make 600whp all day being they were made in the US its not hard to find them ready to go... cheaper MUCH cheaper"

So wait... are you suggesting that this guy should custom swap a H22 into his S14???
Thats a shyt ton of work for an H22...
I know its been done before but the practicality of it is not there.
Plus it would also add to the cost...

I was talking about as the OP had brought up putting a F22C or a RB25 in his S14.
I couldn't find an F22C swap online but I would only assume its much more than the F20C.

Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that these Honda heads out flow the RB's.
But as far as $$ wise you can't beat the RB25.

"The last H22 motor i built for a friend put down 750whp and 570wtq on C16 TO4Z turbo ( BB 67mm) on 35psi... thats pretty nasty... show me an RB20 or 25 thats doing that..."

Also this H22 you built for you friend what did you do to it internally?
I highly doubt thats stock and if it was how long did it last?
I'm sure a built RB could hit those #'s as well.

No im not suggesting that an H22 should go in there, never once did i say that, and its unlikely to have been done before... Im just arguing the many factors as why these honda motors make such great power... Your escalading my arguement into things i havent even said yet..

Of course my friends engine wasnt stock, however its a fairly simple build, stock port head and cams crank etc, just has valvetrain pistons rods sleeved and things to support the power...

You aruge this like i have said RB's cant do this and cant do that, sure they could hit awesome numbers, The RB's are internally stonger than pretty much any stock honda B H D series however the F series and K series have been holding great power ( simular to RB25)

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[quote="flatrate"]
My h22a made 440wtq and 610whp on 28psi... with a 6265 precision with pump and meth

Rb's are in the general area of this... they are by no means torque monsters... if you think that your a tard...

With a 30r my RB made 412whp and 330wtq on 20psi 92 pump

With a 30R on my h22a (same exact turbo used) i made 480whp and 376wtq on 17psi 92 pump

both have built engines... both using bone stock cylinders heads... (no cams porting valvetrain etc)[quote="flatrate"]



ok we know u love ur honda.. now go have SEX with it..

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Dude, you know how many different variables you are talking about above?

For one, since you are big into Hondas who says that you're as good building RB motors as you are Honda motors?

You don't fit one piston right into a cylinder and you can rob hp, tq and 1/4 mile times.

You are comparing 20 yr old 6cyl motors to much much newer 4 cyl motors that flow better and have NEW TECHNOLOGY, years and years of research and white lab coats doing computer aided testing and modeling.

Thats like saying my 70yr old grandmother can't run a mile quicker then your 20 yr old nephew.

Nissan came out with a revolutionary VG30 Twin Turbo motor in a 300ZX back then and it did 300HP and was moping up all the competition and then ten years later they came out with the 350Z and it still does 300HP BUT N/A, without the need for turbo. Technology changes things drastically. Now look at the GTR 530HP stock in a V6 with twins. My Boy has a BONE STOCK RB26 block doing 750HP. RB30 Hybrids are Twisting 1/4 Tracks with 1000HP+ stock.

Basically, who cares what motor you think is better...you have your reasons.

Pick a motor you like, build it to the best of your ability, tune it properly and get as much out of it as you can and have fun!

btw, I have a C-West knockoff lip on my kouki

The H22a honda motor was out in 1992 same era as the RB

An engine is an engine, if clearance and assembled properly there both gonna perform well, Ive built many engines and have had great results with all of them including my RB25 and my H22's currently building an S2000 engine as well (F20c) for a friends drift corolla

Again im not really saying ones better than the other, but more so posting my results and experiences with 2 of the identical turbos on 2 engines of simular displacement... while the RB just needs cylinder head work and better cams to get where the honda is... The RB's ( 20/25) got f*** when god was handing out cylinder heads, and thats the main reason (IMO) that the hondas outperform F22c B18C h22A which ever one you wanna choose they are all better... Just how it is..

Im not Bashing them its just a fact, i like both engines, most of you clowns dont wanna hear bad things about RB's its a RB forum for gods sake, so dont take it personally just understand it..

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ok we know u love ur honda.. now go have SEX with it.. [/quote][/quote]


I mean really, do you think your comment is funny or what, i dont even know what to say... I had a honda before a nissan however i enjoy both why hate?

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Someone actually took a S13 and put a H22 in it. A longtime ago.
disgrace-honda-engine-in-a-s13-t400831.html

-->"No im not suggesting that an H22 should go in there, never once did i say that, and its unlikely to have been done before... Im just arguing the many factors as why these honda motors make such great power... Your escalading my arguement into things i havent even said yet.. "<--

(Me)----------The Quotes in bold mislead me to think thats where you were going with it.-------(Me)

"Hondas are cheap motors fit into ANYTHING sleeved block pistons and rods and you have something that can make 600whp all day being they were made in the US its not hard to find them ready to go... cheaper MUCH cheaper"


-->"You aruge this like i have said RB's cant do this and cant do that, sure they could hit awesome numbers, The RB's are internally stonger than pretty much any stock honda B H D series however the F series and K series have been holding great power ( simular to RB25)"<--

(Me)----------You also put out a Challenge for an RB to match a BUILT H22 #'s??? Your own words...---------(Me)

"The last H22 motor i built for a friend put down 750whp and 570wtq on C16 TO4Z turbo ( BB 67mm) on 35psi... thats pretty nasty... show me an RB20 or 25 thats doing that..."

(Me)----- Again to put it out there, I totally agree that Hondas out Flow RB's no doubt. And yes and engine is an engine is and engine. My Argument was that to reach the OP's goal it would be cheaper to go the already beaten RB path. And not blaze his own trail of F22C. Which would also be the more expensive route w/o any hiccups.--------(Me)

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Someone actually took a S13 and put a H22 in it. A longtime ago.
disgrace-honda-engine-in-a-s13-t400831.html

-->"No im not suggesting that an H22 should go in there, never once did i say that, and its unlikely to have been done before... Im just arguing the many factors as why these honda motors make such great power... Your escalading my arguement into things i havent even said yet.. "<--

(Me)----------The Quotes in bold mislead me to think thats where you were going with it.-------(Me)

"Hondas are cheap motors fit into ANYTHING sleeved block pistons and rods and you have something that can make 600whp all day being they were made in the US its not hard to find them ready to go... cheaper MUCH cheaper"


-->"You aruge this like i have said RB's cant do this and cant do that, sure they could hit awesome numbers, The RB's are internally stonger than pretty much any stock honda B H D series however the F series and K series have been holding great power ( simular to RB25)"<--

(Me)----------You also put out a Challenge for an RB to match a BUILT H22 #'s??? Your own words...---------(Me)

"The last H22 motor i built for a friend put down 750whp and 570wtq on C16 TO4Z turbo ( BB 67mm) on 35psi... thats pretty nasty... show me an RB20 or 25 thats doing that..."

(Me)----- Again to put it out there, I totally agree that Hondas out Flow RB's no doubt. And yes and engine is an engine is and engine. My Argument was that to reach the OP's goal it would be cheaper to go the already beaten RB path. And not blaze his own trail of F22C. Which would also be the more expensive route w/o any hiccups.--------(Me)

I meant fit into anything Honda, kinda figured that was a given but hell i just saw an H22 in an S13 ...lol

i would like to see a 750whp RB25 though, not saying it cant be done, just havent seen it out there on the interwebs

i agree completly with your last statement

i posted my thoughts on the thread tittle, you read the thread.. haha

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Gotcha!!

Check out the vid of the H22 S13 lol.

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I looked at it briefly, couldnt hear tires screaming or engines rouring so i stopped watching


S14sport... your car ever been on the dyno? interested to see what that turbo setup does for you

[s14_sport]

no not yet...I just had the motor built and waiting on some custom stuff from the aussies before I put it back in...should be anyday now

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got a build thread? or a place you update the progress? i like to see