Honda s2000 vs. Nissan 350z

Post by **AZ89two4Tsx** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:32 pm

Some people just buy cars to drive them. Not all people want a project.

And most aren't as critical as you and would be plenty satisfied with the performance of a 350z. If everyone was as critical as you, they would sell so goddamn many as they do.

And yeah, lets bring a Viper into the discussion. That'll level the playing field.

Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:43 pm

AZ89two4Tsx wrote:Some people just buy cars to drive them. Not all people want a project.

And most aren't as critical as you and would be plenty satisfied with the performance of a 350z. If everyone was as critical as you, they would sell so goddamn many as they do.

And yeah, lets bring a Viper into the discussion. That'll level the playing field.

An NB Miata with a well done turbo kit (aka Flyin' Miata) is NOT a project. It's install and enjoy.

Most 350Zs are automatics. That alone should explain what most people are looking for when buying a Z...

Oh, and I just realized something. C5 Corvette? 3250lbs (3170 for the FRC). THAT's the car I'd buy given the choice between S2000 and 350Z, if I didn't want a "project."

Post by **Koshin** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:47 pm

corvette = ghey

I hate them

except the ZR1 which pretty much owns all...

C5 is more monies than the other two used as well...actually, you could prolly buy an average mile early C5 for low 20's...maybe a little less, buyers market right now

Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:58 pm

Koshin wrote:corvette = ghey

I hate them

except the ZR1 which pretty much owns all...

C5 is more monies than the other two used as well...actually, you could prolly buy an average mile early C5 for low 20's...maybe a little less, buyers market right now

Yeah, well, now I know you're dumb.

Average-mile late C5s can be found for low 20s...less if you're willing to look.

Post by **AZ89two4Tsx** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:59 pm

I smell an e-fight coming on.

d!ck vs bigger d!ck

Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:01 pm

AZ89two4Tsx wrote:I smell an e-fight coming on.

d!ck vs bigger d!ck

I don't e-fight with an 'tard who just shouts HYPE all the time.

Don't you have homework to do?

Post by **AZ89two4Tsx** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:05 pm

charlieo wrote:
Don't you have homework to do?

Very funny, and no, it's summer break.

Post by **Koshin** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:07 pm

Its hard to hype an 02 WRX

lets try hyping the fact that youre a h0m0....

that pretty much all youre working with

y0

Post by **AZ89two4Tsx** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:13 pm

Charlieo, what is your avatar a picture of? Anal beads?

Post by **Koshin** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:16 pm

charlieo wrote:
I don't e-fight with an 'tard who just shouts HYPE all the time.

Don't you have homework to do?

...and youve never heard me shout hype, we've never or spoken

whos the tard a$$hole

Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:18 pm

AZ89two4Tsx wrote:Charlieo, what is your avatar a picture of? Anal beads?

Spacing Guild. Navigator.

Koshin wrote:Its hard to hype an 02 WRX

lets try hyping the fact that youre a h0m0....

that pretty much all youre working with

y0

Yeah, you know, I drive a boring WRX, you drive an over glorified secretary-mobile. We're not so different, you and I.

Well, you know, except the WRX has a racing pedigree, and the 240SX has, well... it kinda LOOKS like a 944, which has a racing pedigree...

Post by **Koshin** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:26 pm

my s13 would destroy your WRX in any way youd want it...except the whole shot lol

and Id be past you mid way thru second anyway...

Ive never seen a secretary driving a RHD S13....thats would be hella cool

y0

Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:32 pm

Koshin wrote:my s13 would destroy your WRX in any way youd want it...except the whole shot lol

and Id be past you mid way thru second anyway...

Ive never seen a secretary driving a RHD S13....thats would be hella cool

y0

Yeah, but every time I get into my WRX I'm not getting in to a nearly 20 year old 240SX.

So, I win. Oh, and it's "hole" shot, by the way.

Post by **Papi Chulo** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:51 pm

pen15

Post by **numbnuts240** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:49 am

now, now, children, take it the the flagpole after class. nothing either of you has said contributed to the topic at hand in any way whatsoever. all you did was spew your biased nonsense that no one really cares about. koshin, you drive a flat black silvia, who cares? charlie, you drive a bug-eye wagon and love miatas, again, who cares? op was asking for suggestion between an s2k and a z33. he got some good facts and was pointed in the direction of a thread that addressed this very topic. buying a car and improving it is not what he's looking for, so a 240 with a swap and a turbo miata are out of the picture, stop mentioning them.

Post by **HashiriyaS14** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:02 am

charlieo wrote:
What folly you speak.

Hash was talking power, so I brought in the next side of the equation.

No. Power helps in straight lines only. Losing weight helps everywhere. The 350Z is NOT nimble, especially when compared to the S2000...

I wasn't really *trying* to say either of these, and I certainly wasn't attempting to detail what, specifically, an S2k would have to do to close the power gap with the Z33 or the Z33 to close the handling gap with the S2k.

My point was more as follows:

A Z33, in my eyes, is sort of like a Corvette but "less so". There are a million half-GT half-sports car vehicles out there, and the Z33 and C6 (and tons of other cars) all fall into this class. Modding a Z33 makes sense because you can just give it "more" of anything and thus elevate your modded car to compete with ever-more-capable cars within this huge hierarchy of multitaskers.

A Z33 is a C6 is a Maserati GranTurismo is a Ferrari 575......just more and more so the farther up you get, but they all have more or less the same design philosophy engineered to different price points.

An S2000 is totally different. It is very difficult to add ANYTHING useful or needed to an S2000 without totally abandoning the design philosophy, as it is so totally different and application-specific.

If you're buying an S2000 and thinking "gee, it'll be perfect once I make it a better straight-line car by adding more power", you're completely missing the point of the car and shouldn't buy one at all.

The S2K is already the best car in the world at what it does, the only real point of modding it beyond rubber, brakes, and other little stuff is if you want it to be something different from what it is.

I'm just trying to illustrate that the cars are in no way REAL competitors to one another. You should know whether you want one or the other because they're incredibly different. If you don't know, then you either haven't thought about what you want enough or you haven't driven one/both of them. If you know what you want and you've experienced both, you won't be wishy-washy about it. It will be an obvious choice.

Post by **DrifterXRPS13** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:38 am

S2K! S2K! S2K!

Post by **Yesitisi** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:38 am

Wow, guys... Thanks a whole hell of a lot...

Originally, I was leaning more toward the Honda... Just because I'm so used to seeing the Nissan emblem... Haha..

All I really want to have is a nicer (nicer than shambles 240's) spirited driving machine that will hug the road and the occasional slide when I want it to...

Something that I can feel (healthily) when I drive...

So far, it sounds like what I'm looking for is in the S2000...

And someone asked when I'm looking pick one up... See, I have yet to take one for a drive... So, I have to drive one first to make my final decision... So, as soon as I find one for sale locally, I'll let you know...

But, thanks again for all of your help... I suppose you guys can get back to bickering now...

Hahaha... Have a good one..

Post by **Koshin** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:39 am

charlieo wrote:
Yeah, but every time I get into my WRX I'm not getting in to a nearly 20 year old 240SX.

So, I win. Oh, and it's "hole" shot, by the way.

pffft...there are like 8 million cars like yours on the street...less than 40 like mine...

a nearly 20 year old JDM car to you foo!!!

speeling owns me, it is "hole" shot

Post by **Jesda** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:25 am

If you get a 350Z, guidos will try to make friends with you.

Post by **numbnuts240** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:31 am

Koshin wrote:speeling owns me

it sure does.

Post by **HashiriyaS14** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:22 am

Yesitisi wrote:All I really want to have is a nicer (nicer than shambles 240's) spirited driving machine that will hug the road and the occasional slide when I want it to...

Spirited driving yes, but S2000's are notoriously difficult to do controlled drifts in. You can arse around in parking lots and slide it, of course, but if you want a serious drift platform (which I don't think you do), look elsewhere.

How about a Genesis 2.0L turbo?

Post by **RCA** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:57 am

Koshin wrote:If this is the case, why is he looking at these cars and not a Sebring??

Nimble is a realtive thing, this is true....but nimbleness isnt not defined by the driver, its defined by equipment and machine...

You couldn't be more wrong.

Nimble is word created by us to help us describe an emotion that we are feeling. If AZ says it is nimble enough, then it is nimble enough. The equipment has nothing to do with the equation. There isn't a standard in place in order to call something nimble, if so then equipment would be a factor. But it isn't so it will remain to be defined by ones experiences and strictly relative to ones opinion.

AZ was right and you sir were wrong.

Have a nice f*cking day

Post by **Koshin** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:06 am

numbnuts240 wrote:
it sure does.

lol

told you

Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:22 am

Koshin wrote:
pffft...there are like 8 million cars like yours on the street...less than 40 like mine...

a nearly 20 year old JDM car to you foo!!!

speeling owns me, it is "hole" shot

There are 16,709 bugeye wagonsOf those, there are 13,870 5 speedsOf those, there are 9,940 2002s

Silver, like mine, is the color I've seen the most. Even still, we're talking sub 10k.Then we get into the options packages or whatever, which I don't care about.

That's stock.

Pick any year S13 240SX (but 94, which yours clearly isn't), and you're over 20k combined we're talking 200,000 plus. Ooooh, rare!

Modified, what's the point? If there are 40 cars identically modified like yours, that's not very rare at all.

Good day, sir!

OP: Drive them both. Then turbocharge a Miata.

Post by **numbnuts240** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:30 am

charlieo wrote:Pick any year S13 240SX (but 94, which yours clearly isn't), and you're over 20k combined we're talking 200,000 plus. Ooooh, rare!

he's talking about legit s13 silvias stateside. idk what the actual number is, but i know it's pretty low.

i like to consider my fully loaded obd1 zenki s14 and my 260z rare. can i be cool?

Post by **DrifterXRPS13** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:45 am

your not as cool as me though tito...so take that...pow right in the kisser!

Post by **numbnuts240** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:53 am

DrifterXRPS13 wrote:pow right in the kisser!

Post by **DrifterXRPS13** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:56 am

Post by **numbnuts240** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:02 am

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