High expectations or just plain high?

[Asleep Altima]

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ph....htmlif they hit the 200 hp mark with no machine or internal work, ill be one of the first in line to call s***.

[Zydeco]

phase2motorsports is liget stuff. Why call bs 200hp isnt that much even for a KA.

[Asleep Altima]

200 is A LOT for an na ka with no internal work. i know ka's and these guys are not going to hit that mark without opening it up.

[Zydeco]

Some one here has 180 rwhp. Im pritty sure that thats on no intreanals. but not too sure.

[Asleep Altima]

if you figure, most altimas, after all bolt ons, have about 140-144 at the wheels, thats about the equivalent of 175 at the crank... now take a rwd ka powered car - the 240 - and average power at the rear wheels drops to about 120-130 because of driveline loss. these guys would have to hit at least 210-235 at the crank to achieve 200 rwhp. i dont see it. ive seen built up ka's that are THOUGHT to be at the double century mark, but even those arent too sure. it could maybe be done, but not with just cams and bolt ons.

[whiterps13]

not once on that website did they say they want 200rwhp. how do you know they arent talking about power at the crank?

[Asleep Altima]

because i seriously doubt that they are going to pull the engine and run it on an engine dyno... they are going to use it on a standard wheel dyno.

[AZhitman]

Well, they're one of our sponsors - Let's just ask them!

[SeVa-S13]

180whp with no headwork/internals is impressive enough. Link meh.

[Asleep Altima]

we dont know that they are getting that to the wheels though... most bolt ons wont get you that and cams only add between 5-10. if you count bolt ons on a fwd ka with all bolt ons and cams, like i said earlier, you still only get about 160... couple that with a 55 shot and ive seen people hit 190+ at the wheels... still no where near 200 n/a.

[SeVa-S13]

Some one here has 180 rwhp. Im pritty sure that thats on no intreanals. but not too sure.

According to him we know that. Considering cams as "bolt-ons" is kinda ridiculous in my book aswell, but even with cams, 180 to the wheels is a decent feat. I wanna see.

[PantherRacer]

Hey almost anything is possible if you have enough money, but that is a stretch, let's be belivers fa once. how'd you like it if that was your project and ppl popped up callin bs?....you'd either ignore em or start a war lol

[Asleep Altima]

im not calling bs yet, its just not possible with bolt ons and cams.

[[Zero-S]]

Chet's thread

Remember, he's making 163 rwhp with boltons.

[SmithSR]

"Our aim is to achieve close or beyond 200HP normally aspirated"

Why would you consider calling BS in the first place? How much +/- hp can be figured for all dyno conditions?

They're advertising a unique build up of parts available at their shop, and aiming for "close or beyond 200"

This isn't the stuff of conspiracy, fellas..

Phil

[Asleep Altima]

no and i dont mean it to sound that way. but lets be realistic here. 175 cant be considered "close". 25 more hp is quite a bit more hp. the ka is just not that friendly to bolt-ons. dont get me wrong here, im a big ka fan, so much so that im being stubborn and adding a turbo to mine, but if it was that easy to get that much hp from n/a, i would have done it long ago with the several thousand that i have invested in my car.

[k6kicker]

hmmm look at the parts list...since when does removing your a/c give you 50hp...and looking at what they are doing does that mean if i get a mini battery and cf hood my car will be 200 hp

[SilviaS14KA24DE]

wait, isn't the "camshaft upgrade" an internal upgrade? hmmmm lol

[Asleep Altima]

exactly, its not a bolt on.

[AustinSilvia]

There is a person here in Austin TX with a 187 hp NA s13 ka........

[[Zero-S]]

Anything that doesn't require you taking your block apart is bolt on in my book.

[SilviaS14KA24DE]

they never said just using bolt ons. They said they'd use parts that are going to be available on their store.

[SilviaS14KA24DE]

oh, mind you, if you read that article, they say CLOSE to 200. They never said removing the A/C will gain 50hp. Who cares what they said about trying to get 200. All they're doing is trying to get the most HP out of, well basically doing tid bits (well except the cams). I believe they can achieve close to 200 hp. However, they didn't list ECU programming, or upgrading. At least support them. If they don't get it, oh well, at least there will be a good power gain (obviously they'd make more than stock 155). If they do, I wouldn't call BS.

but then again, thats in my logical opinion.

[SilviaS14KA24DE]

oh, and like s13guy,

POST WHORE!

[GEO]

PHASE2TREND are no BS

[corn322]

you could probably get close to 200 with just boltons.

and silvia, they do list ECU upgrade."Inner Circle ECU Upgrade"

[rousie13]

Hey atleast they're trying to get as much as possible out of the KA without internals. Once you see what they get, you can do the same if you'd like. Saves you the hassle and expenses of trying it.

[PantherRacer]

exactly! they're makin' more power and showin you how they do it...sit back and learn something

[SilviaS14KA24DE]

good point guys. just let them do their thing and wait till the results come out

[Asleep Altima]

lol, im not bashing these guys at all. im pointing out the impossibility of it. id be ecstatic if they could manage it, but it wont happen. murphys law could be in full effect right now too and prove me wrong, but i just dont see it happening, im sorry.