Here's why Johnny Mac will lose in January... um, I mean, November.

[stopcamping]

And if you think Bush had no experience in intl affairs, why would you want his replacement to have even less?

Who said I cared about "int'l experience." I voted for GWB despite the fact he was largely ignorant of int'l affairs. I recognized this flaw in his resume, and I didn't mind it.

[themadscientist]

Both candidate suck. It just depends on what is important to each person which one sucks less. This election is all about the VP. The one who picks the VP that most counterbalanced his percieved flaws with tip the balance.

I would reccomend Bill Richardson to Barrack Obama. He brings the experience Obama lacks to the ticket.

McCain would go a long way towards silencing his critics by bringing in a straightshooter with a track record of disagreeing with Bush, Chuck Hagel or Colin Powell would be great choices IMO.

[audtatious]

Because he knew it was unwinnable then, as it remains now.

Pretty much that the UN had him stop from what I remember.

[AZhitman]

If it is such a red flag to you, why did you vote for GW?

What in the world makes you think I did?

[stopcamping]

What in the world makes you think I did?

I'm assuming you did, am I wrong?

[AZhitman]

Yessir.

<-- Registered Independent.

EDIT: I should add that I did not vote in 2000, due to circumstances far beyond my control...

[stopcamping]

Yessir.

<-- Registered Independent.

Ah, my mistake then. But now I'm interested to know who you voted for in the general election in 2000. I'm guessing Nader?

[themadscientist]

Here's hoping the fracturing of the two big parties continues apace and we should have a good shot at a three party race in 2012.

[stopcamping]

Oh, so you didn't vote in '00. So who would you have voted for in the general election in '00 if you could've had the opportunity?

[AZhitman]

Ah, my mistake then. But now I'm interested to know who you voted for in the general election in 2000. I'm guessing Nader?

No.

I had open-heart surgery and watched the election drama unfold from a hospital bed.

[themadscientist]

I'm almost ready to vote for Alan Keyes just so he will go home already. He's made a career out of runnig for president

[stopcamping]

No.

I had open-heart surgery and watched the election drama unfold from a hospital bed.

Glad you got thru it ok. As you watched, did you lean towards any of the contestants in the general election?

[nissan_star]

as long as Clinton isnt on the ballot. if BO picks Clinton for his VP it would be extremely embarasing for him and show his inexperience with his so called 'negotiating' skills. Also if he does end up getting elected he would get shot and Clinton would take over as prez. Ever notice how people around the Clintons seem to die mysteriously?

[themadscientist]

Bill would probably put the moves on Michelle.

[ishkabibble]

More of the same what? Iraq?

Yep, and: PNAC? Being advised by Kristol and Rove? Telecom immunity? Network neutrality?

We are winning there

Define winning.

and the Iraq Gov is taking over more and more of the day to days.

Let me know when we can leave and they can keep the country under control themselves. Anything less than reaching that state doesn't really matter much.

Let's see what happens if Obama agrees to the requested Town Hall-style debates (which is doubtful).

I'd like to see that, too.

As long as he has a strong VP, I won't care. We will at least have a car enthusiast and decent looking First Lady instead of a bitter and racist one.

Voting for the VP for President... interesting concept.

Seems everywhere I turn everyone spews the "racist" comments. It seems absolutely OK for black people to vote for the black candidate over the white one while white people voting for the white candidate over a black one is considered racism in action. Pathetic.

Nah, racism works both ways. There are going to be a lot of people who will not vote for Obama simply because he's black, and Hillary simply because she's a woman. By definition, that's racism and misogyny. Same goes for the people who vote for Obama only because he's black.

Presently, I don't plan on voting for Obama... so by the NICO mods' interpretation of my statement, I guess I called myself a racist.

[audtatious]

Yep, and: PNAC? Being advised by Kristol and Rove? Telecom immunity? Network neutrality?

And this stuff is new to Gov since Bush took over? Clinton was doing far more with Echelon than Bush is doing with telecom.

Define winning.

Al-quada on the run and the Iraqi Gov stepping up to control their own security issues.

Let me know when we can leave and they can keep the country under control themselves. Anything less than reaching that state doesn't really matter much.

We can leave when the Iraqi Gov feels they can fend their own security needs (which is coming).

Voting for the VP for President... interesting concept.

Why is that? I like some of what Mac stands for and not so much the other. Having a VP that is strong in "the other" would make the selection easier. Regardless, Mac will get my vote because I don't view him as being as bad as Obama even tho I think his boarders and Global Warming directions are absolute BS.

Nah, racism works both ways. There are going to be a lot of people who will not vote for Obama simply because he's black, and Hillary simply because she's a woman. By definition, that's racism and misogyny. Same goes for the people who vote for Obama only because he's black.

Presently, I don't plan on voting for Obama... so by the NICO mods' interpretation of my statement, I guess I called myself a racist.

Not a NICO mod interpretation, but others. On other political forums I frequent the Obama supporters constantly call everyone against Obama a racist. They can't fathom that people can't agree with his political stances so the only reason you don't support him is because he is black.

[stopcamping]

Im still interested in knowing who AZhitman was leaning towards in the 2000 gen election. Is he embarrassed to say he supported Nader or something? Id find it pretty admirable if he was his choice.
Modified by stopcamping at 10:36 AM 6/7/2008

[ishkabibble]

And this stuff is new to Gov since Bush took over?

Yep, all of it.

[audtatious]

Yep, all of it.

Ah...Then damn his sorry azz

[AZhitman]

Im still interested in knowing who AZhitman was leaning towards in the 2000 gen election. Is he embarrassed to say he supported Nader or something? Id find it pretty admirable if he was his choice.

Modified by stopcamping at 10:36 AM 6/7/2008

Nader? Hahahaha, no way. Lots of reasons, none of which are important nearly a decade later.

Let's just say I'm glad the Inventor of the Internet didn't get elected.

[AZhitman]

Yep, all of it.

...in your lifetime, maybe. Nothing new.

[AZhitman]

"Worldwide opinions of Bush are widely less favorable with the exception of a few countries, including Israel."http://www.globescan.com/news_....html

"Polling was conducted from November 15, 2004 to January 3, 2005". Nice old data.

I could give a damn what western europe, latin america, and muslim nations think of our president. They hate America anyway, so let 'em whine.

They CERTAINLY don't hate him enough to refuse the foreign aid that pours into their squalid countries every year...

[ishkabibble]

...in your lifetime, maybe. Nothing new.

The topic is whether McCain plans on continuing these endeavors / lines of thought.

I'm confused at where you guys are trying to take this.

Regardless, everything I listed occurred during the current administration.

[stopcamping]

Nice old data.

Hence why I followed that post with this one: zer...15180

An excerpt from my post: "A March 2007 survey of Arab opinion conducted by Zogby International and the University of Maryland found that Bush is the most disliked leader in the Arab world. More than three times as many respondents registered their dislike for Bush as for the second most unpopular leader, Ariel Sharon.[223]

The Pew Research Center's 2007 Global Attitudes poll found that out of 47 countries, a majority of respondents expressed "a lot of confidence" or "some confidence" in Bush in only nine countries: Israel, India, Ethiopia, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Mali, Nigeria, and Uganda.[209]"

I could give a damn what western europe, latin america, and muslim nations think of our president. They hate America anyway, so let 'em whine.

They CERTAINLY don't hate him enough to refuse the foreign aid that pours into their squalid countries every year...

This isn't the point, the fact that is Bush is widely disliked around the world is the point.

[96Qowner]

This isn't the point, the fact that is Bush is widely disliked around the world is the point.

Ok, but what's YOUR point? Bush is disliked. So what? It's a given that we want our President to be liked, but to what end? What difference are you saying it makes?

[audtatious]

He's not as disliked as some would have you believe.

[96Qowner]

Well, as I sometimes point out to people, I don't talk to the guy all that much.

All I know is what I read in the papers and see on TV. I suspect most foreigners get even less of a change to hang out with Bush than I do. So, one could ask just exactly what it is they base their opinions on.

[HashiriyaS14]

He's not as disliked as some would have you believe.

This really depends on who you're asking.

Honestly, next time you visit a state outside the Bible Belt, go around and ask people what their opinions of GW are and keep score. The results likely won't even be clearly partisan.

I have been a registered Republican my whole life and I think he's a buffoon. Most of my friends, many of whom are very conservative, also think he's a buffoon.

His approval ratings do not show him as being terribly popular with his own party.

The 6/5/08 CNN approval poll is the most generous recent poll I could find, which places him at 32% approval rating. Many are in the 20's.

A lot more than 32% of the American population is Republican, so then who are these Republicans who are deserting him?

There are about 100 million Evangelicals in the US, so like 30% of the population, most of whom ardently support Bush. This means that there are 2% of non-evangelical GOP'ers who still stand at his side (via admittedly questionable extrapolation).

Doesn't anyone else find it weird that his approval is more easily illustrated via religious criteria than via traditional political lines?

EDIT: Just as a note, I DID vote for the guy in 2000. Hell, I CAMPAIGNED for him.

[audtatious]

I like some of his policies and hate others as well. The approval rating of the whole Gov is low (congress is usually lower than his) too. I think we need to fire them all and get in some others who will work to do what is right. Of course, what I think is right others may not....

That's just me....

[96Qowner]

What we need is a 4th branch of government called the DElegislature.

They'd be rated and reelected according to how many laws they ELIMINATED and how much money they SAVED us.