heel & toe easier with aftermarket pedal or without?

[Ren]

the previous owner installed these cheap pedals. and it recently falling apart so i decided to take them off.

after I took them off, I found out that it's a bit harder to do heel and toe, my heel hits the side sometimes. um... def need more practice ..

I think I will go back to the aftermarket pedal. what brand do you recommand? thanks

[toptechracing]

Practice, Practice, Practice......It took me about 2 races to get the feel for the 240sx stock pedals but now it's just second nature.

Joe

[nismo521]

You can also bend the gas pedal closer, but just bend it a little at a time. The stock pedals work fine for me, but w/ a EEE width shoe it's hard NOT to heel-toe, haha.

[4felix20]

can somebody explain heel toe to me..? i've always read people mentioning it, but never really figured it out or looked it up.

[Ren]

can somebody explain heel toe to me..? i've always read people mentioning it, but never really figured it out or looked it up.

go to google, then search heel and toe. there are plenty of explaination there. I think they have better write up than I do. good luck

[Ren]

if you have 240sx, i have a 95, reallie need some practice. it gives you so little room to do it.

[4felix20]

oh my god...i just read this little article at http://www.google.com/url?sa=U...e=747

i thought this whole 'heel and toe' thing was all common sense. i mean, you don't have to exactly play with 2 pedals at the same time with one foot to make a smooth and clean downshift through a turn.

[Axel Grungy]

i like to do it barefoot

[574-240sx]

I barely have room to do it. I need more leg room. I like using a older pair of worn shoes.

[Ligouri Rd]

Quote »i thought this whole 'heel and toe' thing was all common sense. i mean, you don't have to exactly play with 2 pedals at the same time with one foot to make a smooth and clean downshift through a turn.[/quote]Your right that you don't "have to" perform the heel and toe technique at every downshift, it just makes it easier on the syncros. With the 240 Ive only used the technique in autocross (solo 1) coming down from high speed (4th gear) into a tight corner to keep the revs up. The mazda on the other hand, needs the technique every time I coast for a length of time. I guess the syncros aren't very good at bringing the shaft that the clucth is on up to speed. I use a slightly different technique than is described, since I do not have aftermarket pedals on the 6. While pressing on the brake I rotate my foot clockwise and push the gas with my toes. I get a little better control of the brake this way. Now that I'm used to doing it regularly, I will probably use the technique more once I get the 240 put back together in spring.

[240DRFT]

I barely have room to do it. I need more leg room. I like using a older pair of worn shoes.

Same with me. My feet are too big and im too tall . When i try to do it i use my old pair of shoes.

[Red coupe]

IM with axel, I got a new job were I have to were slip resistant boots, and they are a pain to drive in, I started driving n just socks and I have never got such a good feel for it, instead of using parts of my shoe like I used to, (mainly used to use the right edge were your small toes are for the gas) It makes you firmly plant parts of your foot on each pedal. AS for people who say I cant, my foot... or my pedals... I might not be the biggest guy but its doesnt take up much more space. It just feels realy akward at first, but if you can put your foot on the gas pedal it shouldn't take much more room to anlge you heal over to the right and make it hit the gas pedal...

[Axel Grungy]

plus you have alot more control with your toes, i drive barefoot all summer

[WeldingHank]

when you rev-match, you don't upset the balance of the car while going through the corner.

[hannibal]

Before you try to heel-toe, try to match revs first. When youre rolling up to a traffic light, try to downshift and blip the gas enough to make a nice transition.

You can heel-toe any vehicle once you get used to the pedals and gear ratios...

[PGBrian]

an example.Razo makes pedals that you can adjust to make them closer to each other.i have these pedals and they are pretty darn close to each other.i rev match with my big toe on the brake and my pinky toe on the throttle.

[Juujai]

when u rev match u dont even need to press the clutch pedal lets just put it like that

if you do it correctly its so smooth it feels like butter

you guys dont really need to learn th eheel toe thing yet though just keep going to the track and you can learn everything there

[Juujai]

pgbrian did you get the carbon fiber? and can u knock off the razo logo? lol

[azncorruptedo17]

its a plus if you have small feet! well i wear a size 7.5-8 and have some room for heel-toe... just needa skoot up your foot a little on the breaks and you should have room for the gas pedal tried a couple of times, need more practice on it, you can practice by rev-matching while you just drive around. its not that great to use if your still a beginner anyway.

[PGBrian]

i have some blue ones. the blue has worn off on some places.they were on the car when i bought them

[bcar240]

lol, whenever I tried to heel-toe my big feet always gets caught up around the pedals. I have found a way to do it though. If I keep my foot oriented like I was pressing either the brake or gas, I put the left part of my foot on the brake and rotate the right side around to press the gas. This is kinda weird, cause I really don't have a good "feel" of either pedal. Watching the drift bible I thought those guys must have been double jointed to turn their feet like that, but I think it is just that I am probably not even single jointed (maybe like .75)

[azncorruptedo17]

lol, they are small, plus they don't have the transmission in the way and have more space on their right side of the pedal. thats why its so much easier for them... sitting in one of the skylines, it felt so natural when you tried the heel-toe.

[toptechracing]

Practice!..... Heel Toe is not always heel and toe. In some cars I brake with the ball of my foot and roll my foot to the right and blip the gas with the side of my foot. Remember you are just blipping the throttle to match the revs on the down shift. Also remember this is done while braking in a straight line and complete the downshift before you start to turn.

[Ren]

what's the difference between rev-match and heel toe?

[Ren]

an example.Razo makes pedals that you can adjust to make them closer to each other.i have these pedals and they are pretty darn close to each other.i rev match with my big toe on the brake and my pinky toe on the throttle.

would you recommand the razo alum one or the razo cf one?I've found that the alum one is camber plate ajustable. not sure about the cf one tho.

[hannibal]

what's the difference between rev-match and heel toe?

Heel-toe is just matching revs while braking.Matching revs is a proper part of downshifting

Juujai, of course you hit the clutch when you match revs.

[nismo521]

Actually, if you're good at rev matching, you don't need the clutch to downshift. Most of the Trans Am series drivers only use the clutch for starting off, then it's left foot on brake, right foot on gas.

[PGBrian]

would you recommand the razo alum one or the razo cf one?I've found that the alum one is camber plate ajustable. not sure about the cf one tho.

it doesn't matter. they are pedals. one is aluminum. one is carbon. makes no difference.i didn't know pedals had camber plates.

[Axel Grungy]

ive got these razo aluminum ones, they work great for me. helps out heel/toe alot.

[Ren]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...33700

the description does say there is a ajustable plate. I used the wrong term.. it's ajustable plate, not camber plate