"He's an Arab"

[HashiriyaS14]

What does everyone think of this? The woman who said this to McCain only to have him correct her.

What WASN'T publicized was that even after he corrected her, she continues to believe that Barack Obama is somehow an Arab, or a terrorlst, or somesuch.

I know this link is from a wild-eyed liberal blog, but the interview is just an interview, and they didn't have anything to do with it. They're just hosting the video.

http://fromtheleft.wordpress.c...nell/

Crazy leftist comments on the site aside, what do the conservatives in here think about the wacky stuff that's going on at McCain rallies now?

The cries to "Kill Him!", the ignorance from this lady and others, etc. What do you guys think of all this?

I definitely won't assert that Democrats are without their crazy supporters, but we haven't heard any of them shouting for the death of John McCain at Obama/Biden rallies.

Isn't this just a *little* nuts? I'm not even asserting that it somehow reflects on McCain or Palin, I don't think it does. I'm just wondering what the opinion is on these people from the McCain supporters here.

[Cold_Zero]

That lady is an IDIOT. My wife rolled her eyes Sunday Morning when we saw this and I was yelling and pointing at the TV. If his father was Kenyan and his mother was Caucasian, then he would be half black and half Caucasian. If he was Arab, he would be neither. Obama’s mother nor his father comes from the racial group of Arabs. This lady is obviously confusing Race with Religion and at that, very badly. Not all Arabs are Muslim. My cousin married an Arab and he has been Christian all of his life! His parents are Christian, his grandparents were Christian and so on..

That guy from Florida that had a yard sign that say, "Obama is a Muslin' is an idiot also.

I do have to hand it to McCain for sticking up for Obama and I would have to believe that if McCain were slander by Obama Supports, like he was in 2000 in SC by Bush Supporters, that Obama would correct them.

This 'issues' that Obama is some Crypto Muslim is just plain retarded and distracting to the campaign.

I think we can agree that both sides have its fair share of knuckle heads.

What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse. George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama."

Someone might need to remind Representative Lewis that George Wallace was a Democratic Governor and Presidential Candidate.

[AZhitman]

She's a looney.

I think its a function of the frustration that no one is answering the critiques and concerns many Americans have...

...where is his Charles Gibson-esque interview?

All BO has to do until the election is "take a knee" on each down. And that pisses me off.

[HashiriyaS14]

She's a looney.

I think its a function of the frustration that no one is answering the critiques and concerns many Americans have...

...where is his Charles Gibson-esque interview?

All BO has to do until the election is "take a knee" on each down. And that pisses me off.

That's not exactly true. He's said many times, on the record, that he's a Christian. It's in both his books, and he's said it in tons of interviews.

At any rate, Bud, your reaction does sound about like mine, which is what I expected.

And yes, Lewis' remarks were baseless, IMO. You'll get no argument from me there.

[AZhitman]

That's not exactly true. He's said many times, on the record, that he's a Christian. It's in both his books, and he's said it in tons of interviews.

Ummm, I didn't say anything about his faith. Ergo, nothing "untrue" in my post. "Critiques and questions" refers to other, more important matters.

I could give a damn if he's Muslim, Mormon, Methodist....

[HashiriyaS14]

Ummm, I didn't say anything about his faith. Ergo, nothing "untrue" in my post. "Critiques and questions" refers to other, more important matters.

I could give a damn if he's Muslim, Mormon, Methodist....

I assumed you were saying that he hadn't clarified himself enough to the American people on the issue that we were all speaking about.

Personally, I think he's clarified sufficiently on that and on most other issues, although in certain cases he's done it in writing rather than on camera.

He bought 30 minutes of airtime just before the election, let's see what he says then.

[Jesda]

CNN's Campbell Brown made a hilarious observation -- Barack Obama and the rest of the media have all agreed that being called an Arab or Muslim is an insult.

[AZhitman]

They would.

And they deserve the consequences that should come with that.

[AZhitman]

In other news, God bless M.Z. Jasser for bringing some sense to this whole Muslim thing:

Clarion will soon release its latest film, "The Third Jihad," narrated by M. Zuhdi Jasser, who is president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. He describes himself as a devoted, peace-loving Muslim.

"It's always interesting how the Islamist organizations that have a certain political agenda claim 'victim' and yet they always want to attack the messenger, rather than dealing with the message," said Jasser.

This was part of an article about the "longjump" knee-jerk reactions of some to a Muslim DVD sent out as part of an ad campaign.... Somehow they've decided it's political, even though neither candidate is Muslim.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/....html

I have to LOL @ the lady who said she "watched it halfway through and then threw it away".

[HashiriyaS14]

CNN's Campbell Brown made a hilarious observation -- Barack Obama and the rest of the media have all agreed that being called an Arab or Muslim is an insult.

Yeah, I read that this morning.

I wondered what took so long for someone to say it.

[Cold_Zero]

CNN's Campbell Brown made a hilarious observation -- Barack Obama and the rest of the media have all agreed that being called an Arab or Muslim is an insult.

Did someone tell Heliochrome this?

[Loki]

It honestly frightens me. Whether you support him or not, Obama does NOT deserve the hate being generated towards him.

CNN's Campbell Brown made a hilarious observation -- Barack Obama and the rest of the media have all agreed that being called an Arab or Muslim is an insult.

I don't think it's like that. It's not like people are confusing the color of his skin with someone from the middle east, they are using "Arab" as a fearmonger word like "terrorlst". The words behind the words are insulting.

[AZhitman]

There's plenty of legitimate criticism that can be leveled at Mr. Obama without the need to resort to catering to the LCD.

[telcoman]

What does everyone think of this? The woman who said this to McCain only to have him correct her.

What WASN'T publicized was that even after he corrected her, she continues to believe that Barack Obama is somehow an Arab, or a terrorlst, or somesuch.

I know this link is from a wild-eyed liberal blog, but the interview is just an interview, and they didn't have anything to do with it. They're just hosting the video.

http://fromtheleft.wordpress.c...nell/

Crazy leftist comments on the site aside, what do the conservatives in here think about the wacky stuff that's going on at McCain rallies now?

The cries to "Kill Him!", the ignorance from this lady and others, etc. What do you guys think of all this?

I definitely won't assert that Democrats are without their crazy supporters, but we haven't heard any of them shouting for the death of John McCain at Obama/Biden rallies.

Isn't this just a *little* nuts? I'm not even asserting that it somehow reflects on McCain or Palin, I don't think it does. I'm just wondering what the opinion is on these people from the McCain supporters here.

Perhaps someone should introduce Gayle Quinnell to Joe the plumber?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XmerZEyHE

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com....aspx

What a match that would be!

Joe can just bend her over the sink and straighten her out

Telcoman
Modified by telcoman at 4:17 AM 10/16/2008

[audtatious]

The cries to "Kill Him!", the ignorance from this lady and others, etc. What do you guys think of all this?

Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded http://www.timesleader.com/new....html

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/...rally

I saw some video where you supposedly can hear someone yell "kill him" and it didn't sound like that's what was yelled.

[heliochrome85]

Did someone tell Heliochrome this?

Sorry boys and girls for my long absence. Last night I got my a$$ handed to me by hurricane Omar. It formed tuesday, hit us wednesday night and was a catagory 3. I hope you are all well though.

IN ANY CASE

Couple points1.) I find obama's position on his past quite disturbing. He is very anti muslim, etc in his tone and adament condemnation of his past. Its sad actually.

2.) Palin is an idiot. She is a disgrace to women, and her selection by mccain seems to be nothing other than a patronizing move by mccain to pick up women voters. Her position on abortion is scary, (as is mccains) and she may have been the downfall of the McCain 08 campaign (economy aside).

3.) The Veep debate was quite interesting. Biden is quite qualified. Palin winks.

4.) The Townhall meeting debate or whatever you want to call it, well, hurt mccain because he came off as quite wooden and only further cemented his age factor. not to mention his inability to actually be warm with obama.

5.) Last nights debate needed to be a slam dunk for mccain, but his silence, looks of incredulity sealed his fate. three weeks out and while there is still a chance for him to win, its so small as to appear inconsequential. that is unfortunate because i acutally agree with him in some positions.

Med school is insane. I held a human heart the other day. And i became good friends with a former Israeli soldier.

Who knew?

I will try to post a bit more often, even if its in this forum. I think of you guys alot and hope you are all well.

---T

Obama/Whitney Houston 08

[Jesda]

There's hurricanes in Indiana?

A friend of mine is attending med school in Antigua. He had to wade through the water with his dog and his laptop and was able to drive to safety in his Pathfinder.

[heliochrome85]

Well, not really. We do have fat people though...Down here in St. Maarten/St. Martin, the people are beautiful, but we do have hurricanes. Guess you cant have one with out the other.

[AZhitman]

Sorry boys and girls for my long absence.

Glad you're OK, Tariq - We missed you brother!!!

I find obama's position on his past quite disturbing. He is very anti muslim, etc in his tone and adament condemnation of his past. Its sad actually.

All an effort to gain votes, buddy. It's more pathetic than sad, but there's a lot in his past that he can't sufficuently answer for - I could give a damn if he's Muslim or not... but if he was, I'd want him to say, "Damn right I am - Now let me explain to you why it shouldn't matter to you."

She is a disgrace to women

Disagree 100%. Too many reasons to outline, but suffice it to say I see no reason why more women shouldn't aspire to be like her.

Hell, just being a Mayor and Governor is accomplishment in and of itself, especially while raising a family.

Like her politics or not, no way in hell is she a "disgrace to women".

Med school is insane. I held a human heart the other day. And i became good friends with a former Israeli soldier.

Spectacular. You're gonna be awesome at what you do. Even more so given your background and accrued experiences.

Again, welcome back buddy!

[heliochrome85]

i guess what i was getting at was that with hillary, she wanted to be a president, but happend to be a woman. She wanted to be taken as seriously as a man. With Palin, my issue is that when people question her ability, mccain stepped in and said, thats too far. and shielded her. I felt it was incredibly patronizing. If you are trying to make the case that women are just as capable to be president as men, you dont do it by shielding a candidate from questioning. that de-legitimizes her strengths.

what irks me the most is that the US practically cruicified Jayme lynn spears a few months earlier for having a kid out of wedlock, yet with palin's daughter, she is a hero for having a kid. i dont get it? When did the religious right ever accepted that sort of behaviour as anything other than an example of liberal hedonism?

[AZhitman]

I don't think it was "shielding", I think it was a natural response to some crap that was way past relevant and over-the-top.

To question her decision to carry a Downs child full-term? To ask how she can raise kids and be VP? To ask what kind of mother she must be if her 17-year-old get pregnant? What-freakin-ever.

Screw that - Some of us are defensive about women, and a question like that on the street would get someone a quick punch to the throat. It's bullcrap.

As far as "Jamie Lynn Whocares", she wasn't "crucified". She's rich and famous for doing nothing. Not one thing. People who buy tabloids eat that crap up, and the tabloids had their way with her.

They did Palin's kid the same way, and I don't think anyone's painted her as a "hero". No one's "accepting" what she did - But what's done is done, and there's nothing to be gained by beating her down over it.

Besides, she's no more relevant to the election than I am.

Both of them are just kids who screwed up, doing what kids do.

[heliochrome85]

i agree about the irrelevancy. I will say this though. Im sick and tired of being taught by the religious right about why my life is wrong and how im going to hell because of it and my liberal ways. Everyone has dirty laundry. Dont throw stones when you live in a glass house. Thats all. Truth be told, if it was a younger head of the ticket, her qualifications would not have come up at all (ala Dan Quayle.) She may go down in history as the first candidate to have been swift-butted, as they say.

On a side note, id give anything in the world for a few min alone with tina fey. somethin about those glasses.

[AZhitman]

Im sick and tired of being taught by the religious right about why my life is wrong and how im going to hell because of it and my liberal ways. Everyone has dirty laundry. Dont throw stones when you live in a glass house.

I'm assuming you mean the leaders of your faith as well?

I'm no member of the "religious right", but I'd say if you don't ascribe to the same beliefs, you have nothing to worry about...

Perhaps it's something innate pushing you to feel bothered by their comments?

On a side note, id give anything in the world for a few min alone with tina fey. somethin about those glasses.

You and me both, buddy. But I'm gonna need more than a few minutes...

I watched a [otherwise crappy] movie starring Fey ("Baby Mama") the other day... Damn, I could fall in love with her.

[smockers83]

Disagree 100%. Too many reasons to outline, but suffice it to say I see no reason why more women shouldn't aspire to be like her.

Hell, just being a Mayor and Governor is accomplishment in and of itself, especially while raising a family.

Like her politics or not, no way in hell is she a "disgrace to women".

Haha, good thing we aren't talking about Jennifer Granholm, governor of MI. She is a disgrace to women and this state. She recently decided to start living on food stamps. Way to go and unnecessarily burden the system. Give that money to someone who really needs it or use it in a much better way. Not to mention everything else going on here.

[heliochrome85]

oh i agree. some of the most vocal members are some of themost fringe as well. i guess that goes with every religion though.

Yea, i can only last a few min, sorry. but hey, im young, things just work right, i dont have to wait for them to work

Can i get her and Dita Von Teese too?

[TBrack]

Barack Obama is not even legally a black American. He only has one black great-great-grandmother on his father's side while the other 7 were Arab.

That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black. 12.5% is the minimum required to legally claim any racial status in America.

Obama would quallify as the first Arab-American president, NOT the first black president. That is why they keep saying "African-American" and NOT black because they know he is African Arab and not African black.

Of course the little black-lie will be told over, and over, and over again and he will rely on those eigth-grade educations he recently reffered to his black supporters as having to get them to buy it.

[heliochrome85]

You sir, are an idiot. You must be one of the 23% who still believe that President Bush is doing a bang up job. Ignorance is bliss.

urgh...

[HashiriyaS14]

Barack Obama is not even legally a black American. He only has one black great-great-grandmother on his father's side while the other 7 were Arab.

That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black. 12.5% is the minimum required to legally claim any racial status in America.

Obama would quallify as the first Arab-American president, NOT the first black president. That is why they keep saying "African-American" and NOT black because they know he is African Arab and not African black.

Of course the little black-lie will be told over, and over, and over again and he will rely on those eigth-grade educations he recently reffered to his black supporters as having to get them to buy it.

You are really, really wrong.

Barack Obama has a great deal of MUSLIM background (although he is not a muslim personally), but this is not the same thing as being ARAB.

Being MUSLIM denotes subscription to a religion. There are Muslims across the world of all different ethnicities.

Being ARAB denotes a specific ethnicity and an origin from a specific geographical area. Insomuch as I am aware, Barack Obama does not have any family ties to this region (i.e. the Middle East). You can be an Arab and not be a Muslim, just as you can be a Muslim and not be an Arab.

Every member of his family on the African side, going back as far as anyone can trace, is in fact African in origin, and not Arab.

I really resent the idea that being either an Arab or a Muslim, or for that matter both, would somehow disqualify someone from being President. I think this is an insult to what defines America. That said, Barack Obama is personally neither one. He has zero Arab background and he does not personally subscribe to the Muslim religion.

[Cold_Zero]

what irks me the most is that the US practically cruicified Jayme lynn spears a few months earlier for having a kid out of wedlock, yet with palin's daughter, she is a hero for having a kid. i dont get it? When did the religious right ever accepted that sort of behaviour as anything other than an example of liberal hedonism?

Maybe I can provide some insight. Not to defend this rationale, but to a lot of people in the Moral Majority, Religious Right and evangelical movement think these two stories are different.

The story of Bristol Palin’s pregnancy is not as flashy as Jamie Lynn Spears. Nothing in Bristol’s story screams to Tweens, “Hey go out and get pregnant and be a teen mom. You can have it all by leading your life outside social norm.” An argument can be made that in the Jamie Lynn Spears story it is flashy since it has been in the tabloids and there has been very little accountability with the Spears and her boyfriend. Whether legally, financially or parentally, these kids really have not gotten in much trouble for what happened.

I think also the ages at which the girls got pregnant may factor into the outrage. Jamie Lynn was 15 when she got pregnant and Bristol was 17 or 18. Even though the difference between the two ages are 2 to 3 years to a lot of people it makes a big difference. Jamie Lynn’s boyfriend was of age when he impregnated Jamie and she was a minor. I get the impression that with Bristol Palin, they were both of the same age and in most states the age of 17 and up is not statutory rape.

But let’s not kid ourselves; the main difference between these two stories is the fact that Jamie Lynn has an older more successful sister who is…. OUT OF CONTROL and constantly in the tabloids for her exploits. I am sure to a lot of people they look at Jamie/Britney’s parents as failures to guide and yes, control their children. Where they look at Todd and Sarah Palin and say, there are two parents who tried to raise their kids right and their daughter got pregnant. What do you do? I am sure they look at Mommy Spears and do not say the same. Is it hypocritical? Sure. Do people just love to knock superstars off their pedestals? Yup. It also did not help that the Bristol Palin pregnancy story was perceived as an attack on good Christian people by the national news media and the Godless liberals who pass out condoms, give out free abortions and turn your kids into homosexuals. You know I am being facetious.

The irony is my eyes is this, Bristol Palin’s boyfriend stepped up to the plate and committed to marry her and help raise their child. He got a standing ovation at the national convention for his commitment. It also helped that Bristol was seen on TV dotting over her little brother acting all motherly. But I kind of got the same impression that Jamie Lynn’s boyfriend was going to marry and help raise their child as well. You do not see anyone giving him a standing ovation. I am not sure what the status of either couples’ relationship are these days.

[heliochrome85]

You are really, really wrong.

Barack Obama has a great deal of MUSLIM background (although he is not a muslim personally), but this is not the same thing as being ARAB.

Being MUSLIM denotes subscription to a religion. There are Muslims across the world of all different ethnicities.

Being ARAB denotes a specific ethnicity and an origin from a specific geographical area. Insomuch as I am aware, Barack Obama does not have any family ties to this region (i.e. the Middle East). You can be an Arab and not be a Muslim, just as you can be a Muslim and not be an Arab.

Every member of his family on the African side, going back as far as anyone can trace, is in fact African in origin, and not Arab.

I really resent the idea that being either an Arab or a Muslim, or for that matter both, would somehow disqualify someone from being President. I think this is an insult to what defines America. That said, Barack Obama is personally neither one. He has zero Arab background and he does not personally subscribe to the Muslim religion.

Thanks hash. I just realized you are the mod now. Congrats! Im sure you will do a great job.