Hate crimes on the rise in the US following Elections...

[heliochrome85]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...acialh ... /...surge/

looks like America was not ready for a black president. This should end well...

[marlin29311]

I'm hoping that Obama has 4 good years so we can finally end all this race BS. Seriously.

[Cold_Zero]

This is just plain stupid for Americans to participate in these kinds of actions.

Seriously, now that we have the first black president and the Oval Office ceiling has been broken, will all this talk of affirmative action, civil rights and reparations get toned down in our country? Or are the race pimps just inciting these acts to keep the 'movement' going?

[szh]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...acialh ... /...surge/

looks like America was not ready for a black president. This should end well...

Damn stupid folks inciting such nonsense! That is certainly and unequivocally not the right way to do things anymore.

Z

[Jesda]

I'm not worried. Retards will be retards. We're generally decent people.

[S13_love]

...schoolchildren chanting "assassinate obama" ??? , i would like to believe thats not true but if it is, then thats just downright disturbing

[HashiriyaS14]

I'm not worried. Retards will be retards. We're generally decent people.

Yep.

We'll never not have a$$holes, so we can't hold out for them magically disappearing.

The same people who are doing this now could just as easily be holding up liquor stores or robbing armored cars. I don't believe that these are the actions of otherwise respectable people that somehow have been twisted to evil on the issue of bigotry alone. I bet that these are the same people who would be equally inclined to rape women, rob, sell drugs to kids, and murder but just decided to blow up black churches this week, or whatever they're doing.

Anyone who will, for instance, drag a gay man to death behind his pick-up is just as likely to shoot an old white woman in the face to steal $20. I don't believe for an instant that there is some breed of human out there selectively predisposed to violence only against certain groups. Rapists and murderers are rapists and murderers, they just look for any reason. This seems to them to be as good a reason as any.

The solution to hate crime, as with any other crime, is for decent people to band together and decide that they've had enough of it. That's how things get done.

[hannibal]

This is just plain stupid for Americans to participate in these kinds of actions.

Seriously, now that we have the first black president and the Oval Office ceiling has been broken, will all this talk of affirmative action, civil rights and reparations get toned down in our country? Or are the race pimps just inciting these acts to keep the 'movement' going?

I agree with your first statement, but I dont get the second part. Isnt this evidence that racism and hateful people are still alive? Affirmative action and reparations really have nothing to do with this. This is insensitive, uninformed people pushing an agenda of hate against people because of their race. If anything, this shows that even with a half Black president elect, these people and their senseless ideas are still an issue.

And when you say 'race pimps', I assume youre talking about white power advocates...

[Loki]

...schoolchildren chanting "assassinate obama" ??? , i would like to believe thats not true but if it is, then thats just downright disturbing

It's the same people that think anarchy is "cool". They have no idea how the world works. Ship em to Somalia and see what anarchy gets you.

[rjdmmfl1]

Seriously, now that we have the first black president and the Oval Office ceiling has been broken, will all this talk of affirmative action, civil rights and reparations get toned down in our country? Or are the race pimps just inciting these acts to keep the 'movement' going?

not sure what movement you're talking about.. if you're talking about the "Black Power" movement, which is quite different from the white power movement of white supremacists, then I think the for-mentioned acts are clear justification for the need to continue said movement and said affirmative action programs... affirmative action should be removed when folks are judged equally...Obama's election is a step in the right direction, but one step on a marathon is hardly a sign of equality!

to even think that "race pimps" are inciting these incidents, or exagerating these indicents, or making them up is ignorant and shameful. Clearly written by someone that has never been a victim of these types of hate crimes!

To the OP, this does not surprise me at all... and as someone else mentioned, these are probably the same delinquents that would be causing other damage or wreaking havoc elsewhere... but now they have a rally call to centralize and focus their hate!

Guns sales have soared since the election... as if everyone is preparing for some sort of race war... well I'm not preparing for a race war... but I do know that any hate monger that approaches my residence with malicious intent will find the waiting end of a hollow point ... I'll even write their name on it to make em feel special... attacking peoples homes, terrifying peoples children and families are unacceptable acts of hate... and God have mercy on their souls if they approach me and my family with that nonsense... cause I sure won't!

[marlin29311]

Guns sales have soared since the election... as if everyone is preparing for some sort of race war... well I'm not preparing for a race war... but I do know that any hate monger that approaches my residence with malicious intent will find the waiting end of a hollow point ... I'll even write their name on it to make em feel special... attacking peoples homes, terrifying peoples children and families are unacceptable acts of hate... and God have mercy on their souls if they approach me and my family with that nonsense... cause I sure won't!

That's actually because of some of the speculation in regards to what Obama is supposed to do to gun laws...people are buying them now so that they can actually have them.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Guns sales have soared since the election... as if everyone is preparing for some sort of race war...

Our friends Mr. Correlation and Mr. Causation are having a field day over this statement

[CakeDaddy]

Seriously, now that we have the first black president and the Oval Office ceiling has been broken, will all this talk of affirmative action, civil rights and reparations get toned down in our country? Or are the race pimps just inciting these acts to keep the 'movement' going?

This is probably the most un-educated & loaded question that I've seen on this political side of the forum. I'm embarrased for you! Race Pimp?

Take note of the following: Please refrain from using civil rights and reparation in the same sentence. Civil rights belong to "every" individual by virtue of citizenship and reparation is just another form of welfare(almost like those stimulus checks you get) Most blacks could give a damn about a reparation and as for good ole Affirmative Action... This is just another hate crime in my book and I promise you that most blacks hear the term"affirmative action" and get mad.


Modified by CakeDaddy at 7:56 PM 11/19/2008

[heliochrome85]

This is probably the most un-educated & loaded question that I've seen on this political side of the forum. I'm embarrased for you! Race Pimp? Modified by CakeDaddy at 7:56 PM 11/19/2008

actually, you sir have made a number of even less educated points in the past. Bud is one of the most well educated and knowledgable members of the forums that ive come across. im sure the long time regulars of this section will agree.

[audtatious]

Bud knows his stuff.

I just like to argue and piss people off for the hell of it.

[hsckris]

Please refrain from using civil rights and reparation in the same sentence. Civil rights belong to "every" individual by virtue of citizenship and reparation is just another form of welfare(almost like those stimulus checks you get)

Wrong and wrong.

Civil rights, as he referred to it (and he'll correct me if I'm wrong) means the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s. The movement was primarily aimed at abolishing public and private racial discrimination. As far as "rights for every citizen"... civil rights are in part based on this general idea, but moreso on other legal ideas.

Reparations would be a repayment for injustices done against a certain segment of society. That is NOT the same thing as welfare or stimulus checks.

[CakeDaddy]

actually, you sir have made a number of even less educated points in the past. Bud is one of the most well educated and knowledgable members of the forums that ive come across. im sure the long time regulars of this section will agree.

You are more than welcome to go dig up those old post and argue what I said if you'd like. Lets try sticking to the topic in "this" post.

.... and lets try to let Cold_0 reply for himself. I directed my reply to him and not anyone else... that is the purpose for the quote reply, right? It was very noble of you all to come to his rescue, but let him expalin for himself what he meant by "race pimp" and that othrer chatter in his post.

and just to stay on topic.... I think we can all agree that these hate crimes are out of control.

[heliochrome85]

You are more than welcome to go dig up those old post and argue what I said if you'd like. Lets try sticking to the topic in "this" post.

.... and lets try to let Cold_0 reply for himself. I directed my reply to him and not anyone else... that is the purpose for the quote reply, right? It was very noble of you all to come to his rescue, but let him expalin for himself what he meant by "race pimp" and that othrer chatter in his post.

and just to stay on topic.... I think we can all agree that these hate crimes are out of control.

thanks for being the forum police. im glad you are around to keep us all on topic. i did not come to his rescue, bud can easily swat gnats like you without any help from me. i was just reminding you, as has been done in threads before to argue respectfully. CZ is not a johnny come lately, from the 240 forum who just stumbled in to say "bush suckz, he is teh dumb..." you on the other hand...

you want to play, you have to play nice. otherwise, you might just kicked out of the playground.

[AZhitman]

You are more than welcome to go dig up those old post and argue what I said if you'd like.

That would be a colossal embarrassment for you, sir. It's in your best interest to let those errors fade into history.

expalin for himself what he meant by "race pimp" and that othrer chatter in his post.

Race pimp = someone who injects race into everything... Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are among the best-known "race pimps". Everything and anything is seen as racially motivated, regardless of the existence of more plausible explanations. Even in the presence of more rational arguments, they fall back on the time-worn and tired argument that "The Man" is "keeping folks own".

We're past it. But the only way "race pimps" can stay relevant (in a world that has left them in 1968 Alabama) is to continue to reach and stretch for more divisiveness and fabricate racial motivations where there are none. They have their institutions like the NAACP, the UNCF, BET and countless others that have no equal in the White (or Arab, or Asian, or any other group)....

It's November 20, 2008. "The Man" is now Black, so to Jesse, Al, and all the other purveyors of division and strife, it's time to STFU.

and just to stay on topic.... I think we can all agree that these hate crimes are out of control.

No, they're not. According to every reliable measure of crime statistics, "hate crimes" are down. What's UP? Sensationalism and false attribution. Quit sucking up the hype and comprehend that the media needs to get people fired up about SOMETHING.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Cant fight stupidity....

As the quote goes "the proof is in the pudding"...

People can say what they want, be as racist as they like, and choose to take part in acts that are detrimental to this country all they want...

(hopefully) when January comes around and things begin to get better (HOPEFULLY!).... That will be all the STFU these ignorant morons need...

Then they wont be attacking a president-elect.. but rather attempting to attack someone whose turned this damn shiznitstorm around and is helping the US remain the country everyone loves.

IMO now that such a great stride has been accomplished, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are in a weird position... i fear that their statements may cause more harm than help in the near-future

[heliochrome85]

you have to wonder what it must be like to be al sharpton or jesse jackson right now. I mean on one hand, you are finally at that point where what you have been working your entire life, has been achieved, and in the highest office in the land no less. On the other hand, where do you go from here and how to avoid being a relic of the 20th century?

I wonder what women suffragests went following their success to getting the vote out back in the 20s.

i wonder things.

[AZhitman]

I wonder what women suffragests went following their success to getting the vote out back in the 20s.

They moved on to the next challenge. They adapted to changing times and created new ceilings to shatter. They founded businesses, remained active in their communities, an advanced their cause in other ways.

Jesse, Al and their ilk clearly cannot. They're no less useless than Archie Bunker was. Too old to adapt and too stubborn to try.

[heliochrome85]

i suspect its too early to tell to be honest. i mean i dunno how i feel about them, but its too early to know where they go from here. there has to be a transitionary period between fighting the fight, and moving on. i think they are in that period. there is still alot of good work to be done, but they have some validation that their movements have brought about some progress, as evidenced by the elections.

thats how i interpret it at least. i could be wrong.

[hannibal]

I totally disagree that Al Shaprton or Jesse Jackson have become irrelevant. How does having a half Black president elect all of a sudden transform our society? I do infact believe his election gives us hope. Hope that we can and will move to an era where racism is no longer in the mainstream. Of course, those racist ideas are diminishing, but they still exist.

Racism still exists period. It wont disappear because of electoral votes. Racist people didnt drop their agenda and flee the country. The racist cop or teacher or other authority figure didnt retire when Barack won the election.

As I type this I'm considering that racism may never go away. But IMO that doesnt suggest that we shouldnt take a stand against it. Greg, I think youre wrong that Al and Jesse create division. Yes, at times I even shake my head at their actions, but to suggest they spur racism is rediculous. As long as the racist still have that mindset, I have no problem with someone calling them on it. Obviously they have gone overboard in the past (and prolly will in the future), but they do and will continue to point out valid situations of discrimination, racism, and violations of civil rights.

It is a new ball game. We dont have Jim Crow laws anymore. But that doesnt mean those ideas have disappeared. That makes Al and Jesse's mission more difficult to define. I support their goals, as long as its focused on ensuring equal rights.

Last thing, I lost a great deal of respect for JJ after his comments about Barack came out. I honestly suspect a tinge of jealously on his part. That he wasnt the one be elected president back in the 80's (1988 I think).

[heliochrome85]

i agree. i think racism will always exist. i also agree that their roles will become more nebulous since they seem to have reached their goal with the election of BO. only time will tell where they go from here.

You know, themore i think of it, it makes more sense as an analogy.

What do we do after we kill Osama Bin Laden? Technically, we have defeated Al-Qaeda, but the work doesnt end there. That being said, the original mission was to route these people and take out OBL. Just like JJ and AS, to bring a black man to the white house (not primary goal, but a big example of their movement's objectives)

either way, it must suck to be them right about now.

[hannibal]

either way, it must suck to be them right about now.

How so? They have to be very proud of 'their' accomplishment. And for the record, Ive never heard of having a minority president as being the goal of any civil rights advocacy group. Sure its a positive, not certainly not their mission.

And to go back to Greg's point about Black civil rights groups having no counterparts. Consider the ADL. Theyre advocates for Jewish people who have had no mistreatment suffered at the hands of America. Yet they continue to function in a country that has done NOTHING but support their cause. I hate to draw parallels btw Blacks in America and Jewish people as a whole, because they have vastly different histories and struggles.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Things NEVER end... theres ALWAYS going to be the group of people who dont let go...

Women still dont earn equal wages. Jews arent welcome in certain areas... you cant stop it...

Hannibal, The end goal is for equality (i think we can all agree on that)...

For the fact that the popular vote went to Obama, i think that speaks strongly about this topic.

JJ and AS didnt achieve this, Obama did... they may feel a sense of satisfaction, but its not their win... Rather a win for their cause...

On the ADL... "they continue to function in a country that has done NOTHING but support their cause".... Where was the US involvement before Pearl Harbor, we stepped in when the fight was brought to US.

Many different parts of what makes the US (or rather NYC) a melting pot have experienced some sort of plight because of their origin...

Theres a thread in the Gen section about "women being in their place, in the kitchen"... and its to some degree celebrated on NICO, mind you we ALL came from a woman, and MOST of us HOPE to find a woman to tolerate us!

Id hope its all a big joke, but i doubt we would take the same "celebrated" stance on threads titled "where a black person/jew/asian belongs"

Back on topic... Theres always stupid people, and lets hope their wages go up, and that they enjoy a better lifestyle BECAUSE of Obama... Because if there was a successful assassination attempt, I think it will make this economic pain we are in now multiply in size and magnitude..

[S13_love]

Things NEVER end... theres ALWAYS going to be the group of people who dont let go...

Most definently agreed

[Cold_Zero]

Affirmative action and reparations really have nothing to do with this. This is insensitive, uninformed people pushing an agenda of hate against people because of their race.

And when you say 'race pimps', I assume youre talking about white power advocates...

Hey Hannibal, something you said made me perk up.. Do you (or anyone else for that matter) think that Obama is a product of affirmative action? Does the assent of a black man to the highest office in the land mean that affirmative action in the United States has been a success? Or has it been a failure? And Barrack Obama, obtaining the highest office in the land (on his own) show that Affirmative action should be rethought?

To Cakedaddy et all.Yes, yes, yes, anyone that speaks ill of anything 'black' in this country must be a racists. Especially if he is White, Unapologetic and Not Politically Correct. I know, I know, I know, I should know my place as a white man...

When I refer to 'Race Pimps', I an talking about people like Al Sharpton who when we lived in NY trashed the careers of some cops in Poughkeepsie because HE believed some girl’s story, instead of trying to seek the truth. He has always race baited the Jews even going as far as inciting violence against the Jewish business owners. Jesse Jackson who uses his Rainbow Push Coalition to boycott and then extort money from Corporations and business. He is also the person that referred to NYC as ‘Hymietown.’ Louis Farrakhan who, after you listen to him speak is one of the biggest racists that I knew of. He calls Judaism a ‘gutter religion.’ Who is also not smart enough to connect the fact that Hitler was racist against black people, when he praised Hitler. Nuri Muhammad, local NOI minister in Indianapolis. His sermons use to appear on the local Music Channel. Instead of preaching about “Allah and the writings of Mohammed His Prophet” he preaches about the white man being the White Devil and black separatism (as being a good thing.)

All these people are ‘men of God.’ Yet, they don’t preach the Gospel (in the case of the Christian Ministers) no instead they whore after the spotlight espousing some of the most stupid ideas and conducting themselves in an ungodly manner. When I use the term ‘Race Pimp’ I am referring to people just like this.

[hannibal]

Hey Hannibal, something you said made me perk up.. Do you (or anyone else for that matter) think that Obama is a product of affirmative action? Does the assent of a black man to the highest office in the land mean that affirmative action in the United States has been a success? Or has it been a failure? And Barrack Obama, obtaining the highest office in the land (on his own) show that Affirmative action should be rethought?

Product of AA? I dont think so, but I cant say for sure. I believe he got into Columbia and Harvard Law without those policies. He went thru college and law school in the 80's and i dont think AA policies existed then.

AA is practically gone is the US. But here's my take on the issue. I believe it is a fair practice, meaning its purpose is to counteract the discrimination experienced by Blacks, women, and other groups. An issue I have with AA is that it doesnt necessarily help the victims of discrimination. It considers people to be a homogenous group. It assumes it helps the person who was discriminated against, but it reality it may help someone who hasnt been discriminated against. At the same time, it doesnt necessarily correct the discrimination a person did in fact face.

I'll also add that any form of discrimination (from Jim Crow laws to AA) are unconstitutional. But AA was absolutely fair.

I also gotta point out how silly it is to suggest Al and Jesse instigate racists to commit hate crimes to give them something to do. A similarly rediculous claim could be that the KKK got Obama elected so they'd have someone to focus their hate on. How can you blame hate crimes on their target?

About Farrakhan... True Muslims dont support hate on anyone (just as true Christians dont either). Farrakhan is a nut case, far worse than Jesse or Al. At least they contributed some positive to society. I cant same that for Louis F.

You should also included White race pimps in your definition...