Has anyone heard of this kit?

[s14tan]

http://www.extremeturbosystems...d=124

It looks like a bad *** kit. Opinions?

[gizzerd]

It has some nice basics to it...ie. Garrett turbo, nice looking manifold, pre-cut piping....however at that price, I think you could do better. You are gonna need quite a few things still, and you aren't gonna get the power they are claiming. You would still need bigger injectors, a real tune(they include a FMU, haha), a MAF(rather than stock MAS), and all the proper guages to monitor everything.

Have you checked out the JGS kit??

[DevilMB3017]

It has some nice basics to it...ie. Garrett turbo, nice looking manifold, pre-cut piping....however at that price, I think you could do better. You are gonna need quite a few things still, and you aren't gonna get the power they are claiming. You would still need bigger injectors, a real tune(they include a FMU, haha), a MAF(rather than stock MAS), and all the proper guages to monitor everything.

Have you checked out the JGS kit??

While I do agree that the JGS kit is the best bang for the buck in KA-T...I disagree with the rest of your post. This kit however, WILL NOT produce that much horsepower, plain and simple.

First off, an FMU is a time tested, proven device to use the stock injectors for more power. How long will the injectors keep up is another story, but for someone looking for ~250ish horsepower, it's okay.

A MAF and and a MAS are the same thing - Mass Air Flow Sensors. Most people retain either the stock one, or a bigger Nissan one such from the twin turbo Z32 (300ZX). The stock one will produce ~250 horses and be at its limit.

The only gauges i'd really recommend are a boost gauge and a wideband O2 air-fuel. When using the FMU a wideband becomes important because the injectors may not keep up with high RPMs.

For a little more money you could get a lot more out of your car s14tan. Just let us know what your goals are in terms of what you want to do with your car, how much output you want, and what your budget/build time ideas are.

[480sx]

Kit looks alright. The wastegate recirculation isnt to great, that strait piece that goes from the wastegate to the downpipe should be at an angle with a slash cut.

In addition, they welded two O2 sensor bungs right next to each other, one for the Stock o2 sensor and one for a wideband. Wideband sensors need to go 18-24 inches away from the turbo.

Between those two things that kinda tells me that they dont really know what they are doing.

Also that price is absurd, you can do much better.

[1sikS13]

Wideband sensors need to go 18-24 inches away from the turbo.

Now that right there is some good info, something i sure didnt know

[s14tan]

For a little more money you could get a lot more out of your car s14tan. Just let us know what your goals are in terms of what you want to do with your car, how much output you want, and what your budget/build time ideas are.

Well I just want a reliable 300-350HP. I really Don't have a time frame for everything, more like find out what I need and start shopping (if you know what I mean)Budget wise; I think like 2k? But I think I will go over that.

I really don't know where to start, People tell me to choose a turbo and build my kit around that but I don't know what turbo suites me best. ( It would be more a street car but will see some shiz and giggles sideways action, some runs down the track, and autoX days.)

GT series?Turbonetics?BorgWarner?

Anyone want to suggest a setup?

And yes, I've seen the JGS kit, if I can't part one together my self I'll fall back on that.

-Tan

Modified by s14tan at 7:10 PM 10/2/2008
Modified by s14tan at 7:39 PM 10/2/2008

[DevilMB3017]

I'd HIGHLY suggest the JGS kit without a turbo. You get the manifold that you know is going to stay together along with a wastegae and dump tube, downpipe, oil lines that are the best, and awesome customer service.

But this kit is around $1K by itself. Just keep in mind that for 3-4K you'll have a REALLY reliable setup. You could squeeze it down a little though.

[480sx]

If you only have 2k your looking at a bottom mount t2 setup with a good tuning system.

If you wana drop 3k+ you can do a topmount setup thats good for 450 hp.

Id say go with the JGS kit and a t3/t4 50 trim .63 ar. Garrett, Borg Warner, or nothing at all.

[s14tan]

I'd HIGHLY suggest the JGS kit without a turbo. You get the manifold that you know is going to stay together along with a wastegae and dump tube, downpipe, oil lines that are the best, and awesome customer service.

But this kit is around $1K by itself. Just keep in mind that for 3-4K you'll have a REALLY reliable setup. You could squeeze it down a little though.

What exactly is wrong with their turbo?

If you only have 2k your looking at a bottom mount t2 setup with a good tuning system. I really don't want to do a T2 set up, I feel like I have no room to expand for more power.

I just mainly wanna know what is a good size turbo for me.(350hp, good mid range)

If you wana drop 3k+ you can do a topmount setup thats good for 450 hp.

Id say go with the JGS kit and a t3/t4 50 trim .63 ar. Garrett, Borg Warner, or nothing at all.

[DevilMB3017]

They stopped advertising it as much. Turbonetics turbos are made in China, and sometimes they're fine (like mine) and sometimes not. They had some issues I guess and rather then worry about warranties on a bad product, they stopped pushing the product.

I'd REALLY suggest the Borg Warner like 480sx. My next turbo will most likely be a BW. Everything I've heard about them has been good stuff.

[480sx]

^^ +1

Heres my Borg Warner Vs. GT-R speal..

Borg warner extended tip turbos are the turbo to have right now. On the smaller turbos like the s258 vs the gt3071r the GT series will out spool them by about 200 rpms. However thats the only advantage the GT-R has. The s258 will create more HP at the same boost, have a much higher max hp capability, higher surge line, and is rebuildable while the GT-R series is not. The GT3071r will flow enough air for right about 475 hp, while the S258 will flow enough for about 575. They both cost about the same, the Borg Warner costing a bit less.

When you go up in size, say, a gt35 vs a s362, the borg warner units out perform the Garrett GT-R's in every way. The spool up gain that the ball bearing turbo had on the smaller turbo are negated by a heavy compressor wheel that requires more inertia to spin. The borg warner compressor wheels weigh less and are more efficient.

Either way, both are good turbos but IMO the Borg Warner is the way to go anymore. GT-R has been the hype for so long though, its hard for people to break their F&F mentality that you gotta have a ball bearing turbo.

Garrett has spent so much money advertising and pushing the GT-R over the years that they had a strangle hold on the market. Borg Warner doesnt advertise to the performance market because sadly, anymore there is no money in the performance crowd. They market to OEM manufacturers like CAT, Dodge, ect ect.

Still the smaller GT-R turbos, the t2 flanged ones are still great turbos, just damned expensive. With a small compressor wheel the BB really has an advantage.

[GTR PrYdE]

ETS makes some great turbo kits for Supra's and Evo's- I actually plan to buy my turbo kit for the evo from them, but I already bought the JGS setup due to $$$

ETS turbo kits in general are pretty bada$$, they've made 1100+whp with thier kit on an Evo so far and offer lifetime on all their parts.

They also include a FMIC, which fits WITHOUT having to relocate your battery- few offer this. It's also I pretty good core IMO.

You would need to add a WB bung on your sr downpipe of course.

They'll also switch to whatever turbo you want, garrett, precision, maybe even borg warner..

They include steel braided oil feed/return lines, T-bolt clamps, good couplers...

Also their Manifold/Downpipe are stainless.

The price is higher but I wouldn't say absurd, I'd say it's more because it's better quality parts.

Of course JGS also has a solid kit, but it's more barebones and out of cheaper material...

So pick your quality/price range. Either way i'm sure you'd be happy.

I know alot about this kit because a friend called them to ask them all these questions...

[GTR PrYdE]

Kit looks alright. The wastegate recirculation isnt to great, that strait piece that goes from the wastegate to the downpipe should be at an angle with a slash cut.

In addition, they welded two O2 sensor bungs right next to each other, one for the Stock o2 sensor and one for a wideband. Wideband sensors need to go 18-24 inches away from the turbo.

Between those two things that kinda tells me that they dont really know what they are doing.

Also that price is absurd, you can do much better.

In the pic only 1 o2 is used... probably for fitment..

[s14tan]

^^ +1

Heres my Borg Warner Vs. GT-R speal..

Borg warner extended tip turbos are the turbo to have right now. On the smaller turbos like the s258 vs the gt3071r the GT series will out spool them by about 200 rpms. However thats the only advantage the GT-R has. The s258 will create more HP at the same boost, have a much higher max hp capability, higher surge line, and is rebuildable while the GT-R series is not. The GT3071r will flow enough air for right about 475 hp, while the S258 will flow enough for about 575. They both cost about the same, the Borg Warner costing a bit less.

When you go up in size, say, a gt35 vs a s362, the borg warner units out perform the Garrett GT-R's in every way. The spool up gain that the ball bearing turbo had on the smaller turbo are negated by a heavy compressor wheel that requires more inertia to spin. The borg warner compressor wheels weigh less and are more efficient.

Either way, both are good turbos but IMO the Borg Warner is the way to go anymore. GT-R has been the hype for so long though, its hard for people to break their F&F mentality that you gotta have a ball bearing turbo.

Garrett has spent so much money advertising and pushing the GT-R over the years that they had a strangle hold on the market. Borg Warner doesnt advertise to the performance market because sadly, anymore there is no money in the performance crowd. They market to OEM manufacturers like CAT, Dodge, ect ect.

Still the smaller GT-R turbos, the t2 flanged ones are still great turbos, just damned expensive. With a small compressor wheel the BB really has an advantage.

That there is a good read.

Thanks guys for the help, So I Should go with a s258? cause I don't plan on making 575, 400 max.

[480sx]

At about 350 hp the Borg Warner s258 really starts to become efficient and move a lot of air. However if you plan on running less than that you should just go with a t3/t4 50 trim .63 ar. Cheaper, and a damn good turbo that will do 450. Honestly a 50 trim would be a better choice for 300ish and lower hp.

If you plan on running 350+ hp daily then the s258 would kick *** for you. For 300 hp a s256 would be better suited for your needs, or the 50 trim t3/t4.

[s14tan]

Thanks for the help man, I was looking around and Found some for like 1200 (s256) is that the normal price?

I was also looking at t3/t4's and found these specs.

Would these meet my goals?

T3/T4 Hybrid Turbocharger

3" Inlet Diameter2" Outlet DiameterJournal Bearing - Wet Float TypeT3 FlangeOil Lub/CoolCompressor Wheel0.50 A/R Cold SideInd: 52.76 mmExd: 75.46 mmTrim: 48.9Turbiner Wheel0.58 5-Bolt Standard Hot SideInd: 57.75 mmExd: 73.35 mmTrim: 61.9


Modified by s14tan at 2:03 PM 10/5/2008

[480sx]

Thats about the usual price for an s256. I might be able to get you one for cheaper if you wanted me to check.

That t3/t4 would be fine for your goals.

[s14tan]

Thanks a lot for all your help 480sx, most people won't take the time to answer my questions.

I think I'm gonna go ahead and jump on the T3/T4, in due time when I want more power, I'll remember what I've learned from you.

Now I just need a good top mount manifold and downpipe. EBay?I hear the eBay top mounts crack really easy. Is this in fact true?

[480sx]

Its not a problem dude glad i can help.

The ebay manifolds are random. Some will last forever some crack the first day. More crack than not though. Iv heard of people who were in boost and had their wastegate flange actually blow off the collector lol.

I would stay away from ebay manifolds if it was up to me. Go with the JGS kit, its a grand for some basic hardware for a turbo setup. Perfect for your goals, works great till about 450 hp.

BTW can you link me to that turbo your looking at?

[s14tan]

I'm eye balling this one right now, But I can't afford it yet. http://store.cipmotorsports.com/prschyt3tu.html

But I was thinking about buying a ebay turbo and rebuilding and balancing it.I had a friend do it and he dd the car at 12psi and cranks it to 15psi at the track.

and I was also looking at this mani. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...wItem

If I do a rebuild I think I'll use this one.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...Itemp
Modified by s14tan at 1:14 PM 10/6/2008

[480sx]

Ebay turbos IMO arnt worth the risk. So many horror stories about them. I personally had one that lasted 3 WOT runs then something happened, might have been horribly out of balance or something idk. It completely self destructed, the turbine was crushed against the housing. Just really happy that the compressor wheel didnt eat it as bad as the turbine or my motor would have eaten an unhealthy dose of aluminum.

I know my friend who rebuilds turbos for a living wont even touch an ebay turbo. Some of the things he has seen from them are hilarious, shafts so warped(brand new) that they self destructed in days. Casting so poor that once heated up pieces of your turbine housing fall into your turbine and destroy it. The list just goes on and on.

Out of every one ebay turbo that lasts a year you hear about 3 that dont. Iv seen vids of the compressor wheel shattering under high boost.

If you want a cheap turbo go with a super 60 from a Z31 or a ford thunderbird. You can get them in working order for about 200 or less and they will do 300 hp with little to no lag. They also come with a 5 bolt downpipe flange the same as a t3/t4 so when you are ready you can just swap your turbo out and still be able to use your downpipe/exhaust.

[z.hunter1]

Love this post. Just starting my turbo biuld-up. Definetly gives me something to go off of.

[s14tan]

A friend of mine is going to give me his CT26? for my bday. I don't know what to do with it. use it? sell it?

[480sx]

CT26 is a fine entry level turbo thats capable of 350+ hp. The only problem is that it comes with a round turbo outlet thats pretty useless unless you have a custom exhaust manifold. Really all you would need is a normal exhaust manifold with the normal T flange hacked off and a circular flange welded in its place.

At that point however your stuck with a custom manifold that wouldnt be usable for any other turbo, so its kinda a hard call.

[GTR PrYdE]

sell it and use towards a t3/t4

[s14tan]

I'll prob. put it on the market.How much do one of those go for anyways?its in pretty good condition.

[480sx]

I think its around the typical used 'stock' turbo price of 200ish. Check out the Supra forums, the 1j's came with them.

[s14tan]

I have a question,What is the nipple thing for?

[480sx]

EGR tube i believe. Most people block it off. You can also use it for EGT.

[s14tan]

I think I'm going with a FMU till I can get a full tune(Emance) and break all the stuff in. I don't know which one. I hear 6:1 is good for 8 psi.Until I build my other block.