And IF obama turns out just as bad, or worse, the OP, and all the bush haters will look like complete assclowns. (Notice i said IF)marlin29311 wrote:Downright bashing of one's national leader just shows the amount of respect that we get from the international community - 0.
I'm ashamed that these comics even exist - democratic, republican, liberitarian, anyone - an outright mockery of our elected officials is not acceptable in any way, shape or form.
Id rather be a bum than GWB personally. His legacy will haunt him to his deathbed. He will be known as the worst president ever, at the very least.OriginalWheelman wrote:Laugh all you want. He got farther in life than most if any of us will.
The majority of the international community had no love for Bush. Maybe with a different leader that will change. Maybe if we have a respectable leader who makes sound decisions we might get a little respect.marlin29311 wrote:Downright bashing of one's national leader just shows the amount of respect that we get from the international community - 0.
Man it sounds like you might like China more. Or perhaps the old Nazi Germany, or North Korea or something.marlin29311 wrote:I'm ashamed that these comics even exist - democratic, republican, liberitarian, anyone - an outright mockery of our elected officials is not acceptable in any way, shape or form.
Thats not true at all. The a lot of 'Bush Haters' have legitimate reasons for their hate. So if Obama screws up, they can have hate for both of them. Well within their right.sileighty_stev0n wrote: And IF obama turns out just as bad, or worse, the OP, and all the bush haters will look like complete assclowns. (Notice i said IF)
I think that History will treat GW Bush very well. Everyone prances around forecasting the doom of his legacy. But I think the Historians will be very kind to GW.480sx wrote:
Id rather be a bum than GWB personally. His legacy will haunt him to his deathbed. He will be known as the worst president ever, at the very least.
Speak for yourself by the way.
That wouldnt be the likes of Sarkozy in France, Merkel in Germany, Blair/Gordon in the UK, Harper in Canada, Tusk in Poland and so on. I don't buy into the whole world hating the United States. I am sure that is just the face that you see in the National and International Media. Who, yes, hate America. Why do they go to some Coffee House in Damascus and stick a microphone infront of Assad's face and ask him what he thinks of George Bush. Give me a break.480sx wrote:The majority of the international community had no love for Bush. Maybe with a different leader that will change. Maybe if we have a respectable leader who makes sound decisions we might get a little respect.
Im not going to get into some huge debate with you over it or anything but i have to ask.Cold_Zero wrote:But I think the Historians will be very kind to GW.
Then you're an idiot.480sx wrote:Id rather be a bum than GWB personally.
GWB has done plenty of good. I'm sure when you grow up you'll realize the media trash talks every president till no end. Especially the Republican ones. You've only been paying attention long enough to see it happen to GWB. Wait young one, wait.480sx wrote:His legacy will haunt him to his deathbed. He will be known as the worst president ever, at the very least.
You're going to do better then POTUS? Good Luck.480sx wrote:Speak for yourself by the way.
Remember the things they (news media, politicians, world politicians and detractors) use to say about Reagan? He was going to thrust the US and Russia into WWIII. Yet he ended up putting the US in the position to end the Cold War and Soviet dominance around the world. And come to find out from interviews with Ex KGB agents that it was America's perceived weakness during the detant of Nixon, Ford and Carter that brought us close to total war with the Soviets. Yeah Reagan scared the pants off the Soviets, but it caused them to scrap the plans of a pre-emptive strike and go back to the Arms Race strategy.I had only wished that this country was strong enough to harness the fall of the Iron Curtain and foster a new relationship with Russia that would have avoided another rise of Russia power and dominance that is hostile to the US.OriginalWheelman wrote:GWB has done plenty of good. I'm sure when you grow up you'll realize the media trash talks every president till no end. Especially the Republican ones. You've only been paying attention long enough to see it happen to GWB. Wait young one, wait.
Not too hard for him. You know, silver spoon, daddy was a prior Pres, and whatnot.OriginalWheelman wrote:Laugh all you want. He got farther in life than most if any of us will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bushishkabibble wrote:
Not too hard for him. You know, silver spoon, daddy was a prior Pres, and whatnot.
That said, he was a failure in pretty much everything he did.
What a heartless bastard. It goes on and on like this.wikipedia wrote:Facing opposition in Congress, Bush held town hall-style public meetings across the U.S. in 2001 to increase public support for his plan for a $1.35 trillion tax cut program—one of the largest tax cuts in U.S. history.[34] Bush argued that unspent government funds should be returned to taxpayers, saying "the surplus is not the government’s money. The surplus is the people’s money."[34] With reports of the threat of recession from Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, Bush argued that such a tax cut would stimulate the economy and create jobs.[67] Others, including the Treasury Secretary at the time Paul O'Neill, were opposed to some of the tax cuts on the basis that they would contribute to budget deficits and undermine Social Security.[68] By 2003, the economy showed signs of improvement though job growth remained stagnant.[34]
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Bush signed a $170 billion economic stimulus package which aimed to improve the economic situation by sending tax rebate checks to many Americans and providing tax breaks for struggling businesses. The Bush administration pushed for significantly increased regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003,[85] and after two years, the regulations passed the House but died in the Senate.
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Many economists and world governments determined that the situation became the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.[90][91] Additional regulation over the housing market would have been beneficial, according to former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.[92]
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Since entering office, President Bush has undertaken a number of educational priorities. He increased funding for the National Science Foundation and National Institutes of Health in his first years of office, and created education programs to strengthen the grounding in science and mathematics for American high school students.
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One of the administration's early major initiatives was the No Child Left Behind Act, which aimed to measure and close the gap between rich and poor student performance, provide options to parents with students in low-performing schools, and target more federal funding to low-income schools. This landmark education initiative was signed into law by President Bush in early 2002.
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What was the point of pointing me to a Wikipedia article?OriginalWheelman wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
It's called citing your sources.ishkabibble wrote:
What was the point of pointing me to a Wikipedia article?
It didn't contain much information that supports your point.OriginalWheelman wrote:It's called citing your sources.
Truman left office with a 22% approval rating, now he's revered.480sx wrote:
Id rather be a bum than GWB personally. His legacy will haunt him to his deathbed. He will be known as the worst president ever, at the very least.
Speak for yourself by the way.
A challenger appears!480sx wrote:He will be known as the worst president ever, at the very least.
It contains plenty to support my point. Let me guess, you have been bitching about Bush since you heard about politics and don't knwo how to do anything else? You're either an idiot or are the worst human in the world if you can't see that the man did good. Your so focused on rehashing the same **** over and over. It's like a video game montage or one of those reality shows, when you shoot 24 hours worth of tape a day, and only air 12 minutes of it, it's easy to paint the picture you want to be seen. Grow up.ishkabibble wrote:
It didn't contain much information that supports your point.
Nice.OriginalWheelman wrote:It contains plenty to support my point. Let me guess, you have been bitching about Bush since you heard about politics and don't knwo how to do anything else? You're either an idiot or are the worst human in the world if you can't see that the man did good. Your so focused on rehashing the same **** over and over. It's like a video game montage or one of those reality shows, when you shoot 24 hours worth of tape a day, and only air 12 minutes of it, it's easy to paint the picture you want to be seen. Grow up.
Listen hatemonger, I'm not going to go through and cite EVERY SINGLE good thing Bush has done. I don't have the time. And It would be wasting my time to do so. Your broad generalizations and tone suggest you are set in your view.ishkabibble wrote:
Nice.
Based on your cutting and pasting, your argument is that he cut some taxes and started some initiatives. How does that equal success?
If anything, you are proving that you are set in yours by your unwillingness to back up your statements. Perhaps 240 General is more your speed.OriginalWheelman wrote:
Listen hatemonger, I'm not going to go through and cite EVERY SINGLE good thing Bush has done. I don't have the time. And It would be wasting my time to do so. Your broad generalizations and tone suggest you are set in your view.
Cleaned up? We are nothing more than a stopper to an enormous tank of ****(some of which is self created) thats sitting precariously above Iraq. So yea, we have cleaned it up, for now.Jesda wrote:In his final term he brought on some good people to stabilize Iraq. So while the Iraq invasion and removal of Saddam was mostly a mess that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, its finally being cleaned up.
Im not saying they were good presidents. However, additional seeds for the Civil War were sown when the constitution was ratified. It was inevitable.charlieo wrote:Both failed to avert the American Civil War.
i dont want to get too involved in this cause i will admit i am not to versed in political issues, but i know of some things and although we did completely disturb the base of iraq i believe it was in good intentions. Im not justifiying the us being world police im just saying the place is a **** can to start with and although their is obviously background reasons for us acting i can see various things that are good out of us being there; altough these reasons are selfish for our own country but what the hell i live here if it benifits us screw them. in the long run im ultimatly concerned with the future of my country not someone elses.480sx wrote:
Cleaned up? We are nothing more than a stopper to an enormous tank of ****(some of which is self created) thats sitting precariously above Iraq. So yea, we have cleaned it up, for now.
That whole region of the world has been highly unstable for a very very long time. That areas leaders are also natorious for hating western culture and government. So yeah i dont think action could have been prevented forever. Some one was gonna act, luckily it was us. Once again i dont think it is entirely right for the us to be acting so imperialistic and it has hurt our economy, but since we threw them into disarry at least that buys us time not to fear an attack from them.480sx wrote:Im not saying they were good presidents. However, additional seeds for the Civil War were sown when the constitution was ratified. It was inevitable.
And THIS is why Obama's early promises to leave Iraq sooner than later are impractical.480sx wrote:
Cleaned up? We are nothing more than a stopper to an enormous tank of ****(some of which is self created) thats sitting precariously above Iraq. So yea, we have cleaned it up, for now.
We have also insured that it is a ticking time bomb of epic proportions set to go off in the next 20-30 years. More likely sooner than later, unless we stay in Iraq until peace is made in the middle east, the Mujahideen put down their weapons and Al Qaeda abandons their cause.
Exactly. So much for the era of responsibility.Jesda wrote:
And THIS is why Obama's early promises to leave Iraq sooner than later are impractical.
That was more bitter and emotional than substantive. If you feel better, then good for you. Now you can go play XBox with a less heavy heart.480sx wrote:This is Bush's true legacy. A clusterfvk of unimaginable proportions. A constant drain on our economy, military, to say nothing of the hearts and minds of the people of the United States.
I will agree with you Jesda, unfortunately for our country. However, the 'Iraqi Government' has set a deadline for us to be completely out of Iraq. This might give us an opportunity to exit as *cough* gracefully *cough* as possible. I am not saying this is a good idea, but at that point, do we basically say 'Screw you Iraq(the democratic government we set up), were here for good'. What kind of message does that send to the world?
The stopper will be blown to bits a month after we leave and the **** will spill all over the middle east. Think terrorism was bad 6 years ago? Wait till we leave Iraq, if we do so. A dem controlled congress + Obama might get this done. I fear for the world, as well as our country.
I dont want to comment on what i feel we should do at this point.
This is your true legacy Bush. You stopped terrorists attacks for 7 years, what about all the attacks that will be caused in part by the additional fanatical hatred that these wars have generated in Iraq and Afghanistan towards the United States? You have insured that terrorism will be a massive force for the next at least 50 years. You have committed countless lives to countless battles around the globe. Hopefully someone more intelligent and with a little more fore thought than yourself and your prior staff will lead this fight and steer us in a productive direction instead of poring fuel on an inferno thats been raging since the dawn of time.
You have created a whole generation of 'Evil Dooers'. On the home front, you have created a whole generation who is fvking sick the direction our country is going in, and wants nothing to do with the republican party. You might be the beginning of the end to the republican party unless they can do some serious remodeling to their platform.
I loath you Bush, for the things you have done in the name of good. As the figure head of an organization of fools. For the things you have let happen under your command. For the promise you made to uphold the constitution, the flat out lie that you told both times you were inaugurated. You will be remembered as the worst president ever. You should have been impeached a dozen times over, but dodged it despite the clear and blatant violations of the supreme law of our land, as if it were meaningless. The world would be a better place if you had been impeached. It would have sent a message to the world that America doesnt tolerate this bull ****, but the truth is, we have.
This is the last rant you will ever hear from me about Bush. Whats done is done. If you feel the need to dissect it, or comment about it, i will not reply.
You forgot liberating a people from an oppressive dictator.480sx wrote:This is Bush's true legacy. A clusterfvk of unimaginable proportions. A constant drain on our economy, military, to say nothing of the hearts and minds of the people of the United States.
Did you even pay attention? This is all set and done already. Obama had / will have very little to do with the pull out unless he decides to end it early. And may I remind you one more time since all the Dems like to forget this little nugget. THE BIPARTISAN CONGRESS DECLARED WAR ON IRAQ. GEORGE BUSH DID NOT HAVE THE POWER.480sx wrote:I will agree with you Jesda, unfortunately for our country. However, the 'Iraqi Government' has set a deadline for us to be completely out of Iraq. This might give us an opportunity to exit as *cough* gracefully *cough* as possible. I am not saying this is a good idea, but at that point, do we basically say 'Screw you Iraq(the democratic government we set up), were here for good'. What kind of message does that send to the world?
Can I borrow your crystal ball?480sx wrote:The stopper will be blown to bits a month after we leave and the **** will spill all over the middle east. Think terrorism was bad 6 years ago? Wait till we leave Iraq, if we do so. A dem controlled congress + Obama might get this done. I fear for the world, as well as our country.
I dont want to comment on what i feel we should do at this point.
This is your true legacy Bush. You stopped terrorists attacks for 7 years, what about all the attacks that will be caused in part by the additional fanatical hatred that these wars have generated in Iraq and Afghanistan towards the United States? You have insured that terrorism will be a massive force for the next at least 50 years. You have committed countless lives to countless battles around the globe.
You always see this out of young people. Then they turn into Republicans at 30.480sx wrote:You have created a whole generation of 'Evil Dooers'. On the home front, you have created a whole generation who is fvking sick the direction our country is going in, and wants nothing to do with the republican party. You might be the beginning of the end to the republican party unless they can do some serious remodeling to their platform.
Move to Iran.marlin29311 wrote:I'm ashamed that these comics even exist - democratic, republican, liberitarian, anyone - an outright mockery of our elected officials is not acceptable in any way, shape or form.